October 15, 2004


Oliver Stone on George W. Bush: "Heís worse than Nixon in his vulgarity. He looks like he shops at Wal-Mart. Thatís not what the president is supposed to be."

Deep guy, this Stone fellow. But he's well qualified to discuss vulgarity:

Jennifer Lopez once broke down in tears in front of director Oliver Stone in an attempt to avoid having to film a raunchy sex scene.

"Urgh. Yeah, the sex scenes were bad. It was hard being the only woman on set with those strong men," Lopez said. "I just started crying and fighting. But Oliver was like, 'Take off your top.'"

Maybe it was from Wal-Mart.

Posted by Tim Blair at October 15, 2004 03:33 AM

Heís worse than Nixon in his vulgarity. He looks like he shops at Wal-Mart.

Odd. Stone always struck me as looking like he shopped at Goodwill.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 15, 2004 at 03:57 AM

Oliver Stone needs to look in the mirror. He always appears dirty, greasy, & w/yellow teeth. And as much as I loath JLO, Sean Penn and Oliver Stone is to much for one woman to bare. ;-)

Posted by: julie at October 15, 2004 at 03:59 AM

Oliver Stone is just another ill mannered oaf, like Latham.
No class.

Posted by: Pedro the Ignorant at October 15, 2004 at 04:11 AM


IMHO it sounds like a description of Bill O'Reilly.

Posted by: EddieP at October 15, 2004 at 04:31 AM

Ask Cathy Seipp about him. She's seen his glory face-to-face.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at October 15, 2004 at 04:45 AM

Is Stone saying W's wardrobe looks like it's from Wal*Mart or that the POTUS looks like the kind of guy who would shop at Wal*Mart?

I don't think it's the former. If it's the latter, who (except for our cultural superiors in Hollywood) doesn't shop at Wal*Mart?

Further evidence of the arrogance and stupidity of the entertainment industry where style trumps substance.

Posted by: SPY at October 15, 2004 at 04:51 AM

Enough with the Presidential politics. Which Oliver Stone movie has J Lo with her top off?

Posted by: R C Dean at October 15, 2004 at 05:21 AM

R C,

Posted by: SPY at October 15, 2004 at 05:23 AM

Does J-lo expect us to believe that's the first time a guy with a camera asked her to take off her top?

And furthermore, anti-Wal-Mart snobs make me puke. I find everything I'm looking for in there, and cheap. God bless 'em.

Posted by: Dave S. at October 15, 2004 at 05:34 AM

Oliver Stone, the guy who went to Cuba and agreed with Castro- "hey, things don't look so bad here. What's the big deal?"

Yeah, I trust his judgement.

Posted by: Tman at October 15, 2004 at 05:35 AM

Stone's known for this kind of behavior. Read one article about him making the Doors. One scene called for the woman to have her top off, so the actress auditioning knew she'd have to remove her top for the audition. Stone made her strip completely, turn around and grab her ankles as part of the audition.

He told a Newsweek reporter he liked her top because he could almost see right through it. She said in an interview you didn't mind this kind of thing coming from him because he's so brilliant.

Can you only imagine what would have happened if Charleton Heston, Tom Selleck or any other known Hollywood conservative had tried either of these things?

Posted by: Bob at October 15, 2004 at 05:56 AM

Yeah. Oliver Stone. His opinions really matter to me.

Posted by: Rebecca at October 15, 2004 at 06:08 AM

Cubans would love to be able to shop at Wal-Mart.

Posted by: Harry in Atlanta at October 15, 2004 at 06:22 AM

What's wrong with shopping at Wal-Mart? The stores are a bit cluttered and not well organized, but you can't beat the prices. Wal-Mart is one place where working-class people with limited disposable incomes can actually afford to buy decent merchandise at reasonable prices.

Could it be that the Left, those inveterate advocates for the poor and the downtrodden, are really just a bunch of rank snobs?

Posted by: Butch at October 15, 2004 at 06:58 AM

Fast-forward a few years and Jim Caviezel is asking her to put some clothes on when she films a love scene with him.

Posted by: Gleeful Extremist at October 15, 2004 at 07:08 AM

Maybe Stone is Chinese. Wm. Empson reports the same difficulty teaching English Literature there :

``For example, I remember a Chinese student who put in an essay on the Scotch Ballads `The ballad must be simple and vulgar'. Most of the essay was spent in laborious praise of the Scotch ballads, which he felt to be required on him, but I gathered that he felt they were like popular works in China which a proud scholar would despise. That is, he knew the word had two meanings, and wanted to use it to drop an insinuation. The mistake was, therefore, an extremely marginal one ; it was merely that he took `of the common people' to be the head sense, under which `coarse' could insuinuate itself as an Implication (equated to the head sense, perhaps). But this is a definite mistake ; whatever the political or literary views of the reader, he will feel that there has been a ridiculous collapse of an attempt at tact.''

``Dictionaries'' in _The Structure of Complex Words_ p.403-404

Posted by: Ron Hardin at October 15, 2004 at 07:10 AM

Re: Butch's comment. It is a shocking thought that they may be just a bunch of rich snobs, isn't it? I can't remember where I saw it, but someone recently mentioned Barbara Streisand flying her private jet to Washington to discuss how the commoners could better reduce their fuel consumption.

Posted by: Dwayne in Kansas at October 15, 2004 at 07:48 AM

I'm still waiting for John Grisham to smash that little snivelling twerp.

Posted by: murph at October 15, 2004 at 09:06 AM

You must understand. Here in teh US, liberal has long stoped being about the common person and become the snob factor for pseudo-intellectuals to prove their superiority over the common person.

Hence the Wal-Mart remark.

Posted by: Anthony at October 15, 2004 at 09:14 AM

There was a time when liberals were proud to be thought common.

I remember in 1984, Vice President Mondale telling a Time magazine reporter, "I know I have a shitty haircut. People in Minnesota like shitty haircuts."

Posted by: JDB at October 15, 2004 at 10:11 AM


Here in Australia it's much the same.


Posted by: murph at October 15, 2004 at 10:24 AM

You've got to wonder if guys like Stone have any brains at all. A comment like that insults the millions of American voters who shop at Walmart. They can't be expected to sympathise with a cause that Stone is pushing if he thinks they are a bunch of slobs and they would probably be quite happen to think the President shops in the same place they do. Maybe Stone is a secret agent of Bush, I'm sure Michael Moore could make a documentary proving he is.

Posted by: Philip at October 15, 2004 at 11:56 AM

From what I have seen of the man and his... output, insulting and alienating the millions of Americans who shop at Walmart is his raison d'Ítre.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at October 15, 2004 at 12:31 PM

Aren't we all missing the point here?

JLo has nice boobs.

Posted by: Big Ramifications at October 15, 2004 at 01:01 PM

It always amuses me at the people who slag of about Goerge Ws style or lack of it-
First of all he looks like a man who is working too damn hard to be fussed about cut and co-ordination and as long as its clean and tidy will pass muster-my kinda feller.
I am more concerned that the candidate who wants to take his place, will be inclined to have greater concern with regard to what cologne to apply and and what 'goes with this ' 'what goes with that' if his Russian eggs are timed correctly,the French toast Krisp and the caviar on the crepeS Beluga, "my dear, what plan or summit must I attend to at petit dejeuner today"? and where isthat valet Alphonse- the Paris Match was not ironed this morning

As for the movie'Queens" of whatever gender, many would look a damn sight smarter if they did go to Wal-mart for goodness sake! what sort of judgment does it show when they pay up $50000 for dress that looks like underwear made out of granny's old lace curtains, and could have purchased better and cheaper in Wal Mart and to pay 1000 dollars for a hair cut that used to be the perogative of the poor snot nosed kid whose parents were too poor to pay for a decent cut-pathetique

Posted by: Rose at October 15, 2004 at 01:35 PM

Killer Instinct, by Jane Hamsher,producer of Natural Born Killers. She slams both Stone and QT. Good book.

Posted by: julie at October 15, 2004 at 03:32 PM

Um...why hasn't Stone been hung in the town square for sexually harrassing JLo and creating a hostile work environment? Oh yeah, he's a hollywood leftoid, sorry I even asked.

Posted by: KBiel at October 16, 2004 at 02:26 AM