September 08, 2004

POWER OR GLORY

Michael Moore tells his readers he’s withdrawn ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ from the Best Documentary category at the Oscars because, well, because he cares about democracy:

The only problem with my desire to get this movie in front of as many Americans as possible is that, should it air on TV, I will NOT be eligible to submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for Academy Award consideration for Best Documentary. Academy rules forbid the airing of a documentary on television within nine months of its theatrical release (fiction films do not have the same restriction).

Therefore, I have decided not to submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for consideration for the Best Documentary Oscar. If there is even the remotest of chances that I can get this film seen by a few million more Americans before election day, then that is more important to me than winning another documentary Oscar. I have already won a Best Documentary statue. Having a second one would be nice, but not as nice as getting this country back in the hands of the majority.

Ain’t he sweet? And then Mike adds this little aside:

I have informed our distributors of my decision. They support me (in fact, they then offered to submit our film for all the other categories it is eligible for, including Best Picture -- so, hey, who knows, maybe I'll get to complete that Oscar speech from 2003! Sorry, just kidding).

Just kidding? Not according to this Associated Press report:

Michael Moore says he won't submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for consideration as best documentary at this year's Academy Awards. Instead, he's going for the bigger prize of best picture.

In the midst of the presidential campaign, Moore's announcement is a strategic move for his Oscar campaign. Documentaries and animated films have their own categories, but the conventional wisdom in Hollywood is that those niche awards can limit a film's appeal in the overall best picture class.

Moore said he and his producing partner, Harvey Weinstein, agreed "Fahrenheit 9/11" would stand a better chance if they focused solely on the top Oscar.

Is Moore lying or is the AP report quoting him inaccurately? Tough call ...

Posted by Tim Blair at September 8, 2004 01:52 AM
Comments

If Moore and AP are performing up to their usual standards, you shouldn't have to choose.

Posted by: LauraB at September 8, 2004 at 01:57 AM

It's like asking two pathological liars if they are telling the truth. What a choice!

Posted by: The Real JeffS at September 8, 2004 at 03:11 AM

You know one day, people are going to look at the awards to Moore, and view it as the nadir of the motion picture industry.
When 'Bowling for Columbine' got an award as a documentary.
And when the propaganda film 'Fahrenheit 911' got a Palm D'Or.

A bit like the days when the head of Interpol was top Nazi Reinhard 'The Hangman' Heydrich.

Posted by: Alan E Brain at September 8, 2004 at 03:13 AM

When the Associalism Press and Mikey Moore's accounts differ, you can be sure that the issue is just being (warning: n-word) "nuanced" for different audiences. Could there be any doubt that Mikey intends to win the Oscar Mayer wiener to go along with his Palm Door prize, as well as inflict his mockumentary on the rest of us in TV land?

Posted by: charlotte at September 8, 2004 at 04:13 AM

fiction films do not have the same restriction

at least he's finally admitting what we knew all along.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at September 8, 2004 at 05:13 AM

Is Moore lying or is the AP report quoting him inaccurately?

You have to ask if Michael Moore is lying? Is water wet?

Posted by: Sean M. at September 8, 2004 at 05:26 AM

If the Academy Award nominations took place before the elections I'd have bet good money that F-911 would get a Best Picture nomination by film industry libs. But since they don't happen until after Bush is re-elected Moore's film will be considered a failure and dumped as a no longer useful propaganda piece by a depressed Hollywood elite.

Posted by: Randal Robinson at September 8, 2004 at 05:57 AM

I thought it was already ineligible since it was shown on Cuban TV a few months ago, but I'm guess I was wrong since it was a "pirate - wink wink nudge nudge" copy.

Posted by: Kevin at September 8, 2004 at 06:37 AM

Moore said he and his producing partner, Harvey Weinstein, agreed "Fahrenheit 9/11" would stand a better chance if they focused solely on the top Oscar.

Only an egomaniac surrounded by sycophants could possibly believe this. F9/11 would have been a shoe-in for best documentary, regardless of its less-than-factual basis. Compared to other best film nominees, though, it will look very weak, and many Academy members will be reluctant to vote for it.

Posted by: PapayaSF at September 8, 2004 at 08:03 AM

Assuming Michael Moore IS lying (no stretch), couldn't the AP report ALSO be quoting him inaccurately? And if so, couldn't we now be CLOSER to the truth than if we had heard the words from Mike's own cavernous maw?

I'm gonna end this post before I open a rift in the truth-lie continuum and black becomes white.

Posted by: fidens at September 8, 2004 at 09:05 AM

I have informed our distributors of my decision.

What did Hezbollah have to say?

Posted by: Sortelli at September 8, 2004 at 11:45 AM

Is Moore insane, stupid or deluded? He's not going to win Best Picture.

The Academy isn't that dumb. Sure, the "documentary" award can be defaced purely for politics, but Best Picture actually has some standing.

Posted by: Quentin George at September 8, 2004 at 11:51 AM

Yeah, but when he loses, he'll get some more publicity as he whines about the conspiracy against him. It's Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at September 8, 2004 at 11:53 AM

Heh, Spiderman 2 should kick his ass again. Is it too much to hope?

Posted by: Sortelli at September 8, 2004 at 12:16 PM

Is Moore insane, stupid or deluded?

Do I have to choose just one?

Posted by: EvilPundit at September 8, 2004 at 12:21 PM

Treacher's got a point about the conspiracy angle. The Oscars are held in Schwarzenegger's California, and Eisner could convince the Academy to use butterfly ballots...

Posted by: Katherine Harris at September 8, 2004 at 12:25 PM

Eisner could convince the Academy to use butterfly ballots...

Spiderman 2: Selected... not elected!

Posted by: Quentin George at September 8, 2004 at 12:31 PM

Actually, we in the Zionist cabal had Adam Sandler's latest movie in mind, Mr. George. He supports W, as far as we can tell.

Posted by: Ketherine Harris at September 8, 2004 at 12:35 PM

(I learned how to spell my name from The Common Good and Margo. Sorry!)

Posted by: K-A-therine Harris at September 8, 2004 at 12:36 PM

C'Mon, does anyone really think F911 can beat Without a Paddle?

But hey, the Academy Awards are after Election Day, aren't they? This could be funny to watch...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at September 8, 2004 at 12:45 PM

I can see a lot of people driving around with "Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Return of the King" bumper stickers...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at September 8, 2004 at 12:47 PM

"Is Moore insane, stupid or deluded?"

Yes to all 3.

He's aided in his insanely stupid delusions by like-minded people currently running the Democratic Party. As someone who actually LIKES having more than one political party, I find this troubling.

Moore should be the poster child for a campaign to keep politicians and 'artists' as far apart as possible. He's one reason why it's never bothered me at all that the RNC lacks the 'star power' of the DNC.

Posted by: Chris Josephson at September 8, 2004 at 01:33 PM

Once you have identified an horse's ass you don't have to pay to find that fertilizer comes out.

Posted by: Tweav at September 8, 2004 at 01:47 PM

POWER OR GLORY?

Like I’ve said before, folks like Graydon Carter & Michael Moore want ALL FOUR, want to be crème de la crème, culturally stratospheric, the very neon of the joint.

\ \ \ \ \ \/ / / / / / /
\ power · || · glory · /

= = = = || = = = = =
/ wealth· || ·guruhood \
/ / / / / /\ \ \ \ \ \ \

just without having to be politically, economically, culturally, or intellectually responsible.

Posted by: ForNow at September 8, 2004 at 02:05 PM

Absolutely lovely, ForNow!

Posted by: charlotte at September 8, 2004 at 05:31 PM

I thought there was an establishment conspiracy against this putz? And yet now he picks and chooses which Academy Awards he's prepared to win.

Oh to be oppressed!

Posted by: neoconchick at September 8, 2004 at 09:24 PM

Michael Moore is a fat fuck

ahem....

I beg your pardon for using such language, but I'm just fulfilling Marty's mission.

Posted by: TimT at September 8, 2004 at 11:01 PM

Oh dear. Just indulging in a spot of google-bombing, but the link didn't come through. Here's the url for that quote:

http://www.gravett.org/TRP/index.php?p=43

Posted by: TimT at September 8, 2004 at 11:02 PM

Whatever you otherwise think about the movie, at least someone is talking about Saudi Arabia and the relationship with the USA.

Last I heard, a whole bunch of 9/11 terrorists were Saudis and every Friday there's some pretty inflammatory stuff being preached in Saudi mosques. But somehow Saudi Arabia just does not make the headlines as a hotbed of terrorism. Funny that...

Posted by: bongoman at September 8, 2004 at 11:16 PM

Okay, we've got one vote for the bombing and invasion of Saudi Arabia by coalition forces. Any more?

Posted by: Andrea Harris at September 8, 2004 at 11:30 PM

I thought this was about democracy in the Middle East, no?

Posted by: bongoman at September 8, 2004 at 11:36 PM

Bongo, translated: "Your comeback to my trolling makes me uncomfortable! Therefore I shall call everyone's attention to that bright, shiny object over there!"

Posted by: Andrea Harris at September 9, 2004 at 12:11 AM

Back on topic, it is not an either/or choice, Tim.

I can readily believe that the AP inaccurately quoted a Michael Moore lie.

Posted by: Parker at September 9, 2004 at 12:17 AM

"But somehow Saudi Arabia just does not make the headlines as a hotbed of terrorism."

The Saudi connection to the terrorists is not a state secret. It's been mentioned by all the major news outlets in the US numerous times. One reason it gets mentioned, apart from the obvious, is that Pres. Bush has so far *seemed* to give them a pass.

The truth is, unless we wage all-out war like we waged in WWII, we can't take on the Saudis quite yet. There would be too many bad consequences for the rest of the world because of the Saudi oil. The world's economy could take a nose dive if we were to deal with the Saudis as they should be dealt with.

I think we'll get to the Saudis, all in good time. When we have the oil fields in Iraq safely producing would be a time to think about war with the Saudis. For now, we keep an eye on the Saudis, and use them as much as we can.

"I thought this was about democracy in the Middle East, no?"

This is a side benefit. The real 'this is all about' is destroying the terrorists in whatever country they inhabit and whatever country supports them.

Democracy will help ensure the terrorists don't take root again. It's no guarantee, of course. Democracies have historically been the one form of government that have NOT been fertile ground for terrorists. It's in our own self interests to see that democracies are encouraged in the ME.

However, bottom line is we are fighting in the ME to kill the terrorists, and their supporters, before they kill more of us. In the process, we are freeing the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan from the oppressive governments they lived with for decades.

One of my regrets is that we don't have enough soldiers to take on every country that harbors the terrorists at this time. I'd like to help out the Sudanese, for example. We could eliminate the terrorists there AND free the Sudanese people at the same time.

Posted by: Chris Josephson at September 9, 2004 at 03:30 AM