August 12, 2004

MISREPORTING FOR DUTY

America’s most celebrated rubgy player is looking at a big win, according to one analysis. Meanwhile, Matt Welch and Jeff Jarvis are annoyed by people paying too much attention to John Kerry’s Swift Boat service, including daring Cambodian raids in 1968. Here’s Matt:

What I don't understand is how anyone professes to truly give a flip about what John Kerry and George Bush did 32 or 36 years ago.

It’s not so much what Kerry did 32 years ago; it’s what he’s been doing ever since, i.e. telling people how his magical hat accompanied him on some bogus Cambodian CIA gig. And this isn’t an example of what Matt describes as a presidential candidate merely “embellishing” his military experience. The Cambodian story has a point far beyond embellishing; it’s presented as evidence of deceit by a former Republican administration (as though there was a shortage of more believable examples of deceit regarding said administration).

What Kerry actually did 32 years ago isn’t part of why he’s being pursued over this. The Cambodia story didn’t happen, by all available accounts. But as recently as last year Kerry was using the story to promote his viability as a candidate. That’s why questions are being asked.

(Matt is only a few rooms away as I write this, still puzzling over my assertion that the sun can dry clothes. What is it with Californians? They’re always demanding alternative energy sources, but when one appears every day right above their heads they shun it in favour of an SUV-sized drying device running on nuclear- or oil-derived electricity. Planet-hating monsters.)

Posted by Tim Blair at August 12, 2004 07:33 PM
Comments

Winston Churchill once remarked that,"Ive been in politics all my life and have never heard of Cambodia".LBJ didnt know where it was either.John Kerry does.

Posted by: larado at August 12, 2004 at 08:07 PM

It's hard to hear what you're saying, what with the incessant singing of the Internationale and all.

Posted by: Matt Welch at August 12, 2004 at 08:19 PM

Mr Kerry is telling fibs.

Posted by: Larado at August 12, 2004 at 08:41 PM

On multiple occasions, Kerry has claimed moral superiority by “being in Cambodia” to bludgeon his political opposition. Furthermore, Kerry has claimed his Cambodian “experience” was critical in turning him against the Vietnam War. Turns out, Kerry was never in Cambodia.

Walter Mitty had more rational fantasies than John Kerry.

Posted by: perfectsense at August 12, 2004 at 09:06 PM

Honestly, moving dry air works a lot better, Tim.

The sun will do FA at 100% humidity except fade stuff.

Posted by: taspundit at August 12, 2004 at 09:20 PM

TIM LIED!!! CLOTHES DRIED!!! (or not)

(Not that the 100% humidity thing EVER happens in California, lucky bastards.)

Posted by: taspundit at August 12, 2004 at 09:26 PM

What I don't understand is how anyone professes to truly give a flip about what John Kerry and George Bush did 32 or 36 years ago.

well, the problem is that this is all that kerry talks about, and seems to be the basis of his run. he refuses to talk about his senate record (probably for good reason)

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 12, 2004 at 09:53 PM

The lie by itself is bad enough. That Kerry embroidered his service record is pathetic, especially considering how he sullied the rep of his fellow sailors and soldiers after he left 'Nam. That he told this lie to the press is creepy. That a Senator asserted this lie before the Congress in order to affect US policy is unconscionable.

But having a prop? A prop for his lie that he carries around with him "at all times" in an attache case? Now, that is either desperate or delusional and a fiction too far. The man is bonkers.

(Tim, in California it's sun-dried tomatoes, not undies. They simply taste better. Really.)

Posted by: c at August 12, 2004 at 10:21 PM

I like drying my clothes outside. They seem fresher, somehow.

As for why people care about what Kerry did 30 odd years ago ..

It's Kerry who has made his service in Vietnam an issue. Anyone who tires of hearing about Vietnam can't have much reason to support Kerry. Kerry has *talked* more about Vietnam than he actually served in Vietnam.

Kerry is my senator. In the 20+ years he has served my state, I can't list *one* major piece of legislation he championed. I can't even list any meaningful leadership positions he's held within his own party, or within the US Senate.

So, if we don't talk about Kerry and Vietnam, what do we talk about. Kerry and ?. What are his major accomplishments apart from Vietnam?

Two issues have been raised by the anti-Kerry Vietnam vets. One issue is Kerry's behavior in Vietnam. The other is Kerry's participation, back in the states, in helping to create the image of Vietnam soldiers as baby killers.

I don't have the faintest idea where the truth lies regarding Kerry's medals. For me, that's not too much of an issue.

The most important issue raised, for me and the vets I know, is about how the vets were portrayed as baby killers by Kerry (and others). This transcends the election. It's been an open wound for many of our vets for 30+ years.

How many of the testimonies, pertaining to the 'everyday atrocities' committed by our troops in Vietnam, were false testimonies? How many lies were told that defamed our soldiers and caused them to be looked upon with scorn when they returned?

I support any effort that will help our Vietnam vets remove the stigma placed upon them by others. They have earned the right to have the US public know what lies were told about them. They have earned the right to use this presidential campaign to grab our attention.

I am very glad that Glenn, and others, are giving the SwiftVets' stories a chance to be spread around. The MSM would be all over a story like this if it were anti-Bush. Because it's anti-Kerry, the story is almost ignored. When it is reported on, the SwiftVets are made to look like partisan Republicans out to defeat Kerry. The issues that are raised are ignored or discarded out of hand.

Posted by: Chris Josephson at August 12, 2004 at 10:36 PM

Tim, after an entire childhood spent in the nuclear-holocaust-like Florida sun taking our withered, wrinkled, stiff, faded (but fresh-smelling!) clothing off of the clothesline in the backyard, all the while fending off gigantic "lubber" grasshoppers the size of Aston Minis, you can pry my Iraqi-oil-powered-SUV-sized dryer out of my cold, dead fingers.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at August 12, 2004 at 10:47 PM

Kerry is a true leftie: Big on personal freedom, low on personal responsibility/accountability. I guess that why he gets a pass in so many venues on his Senate record and stances on various issues.

Posted by: zzx375 at August 12, 2004 at 10:51 PM

he refuses to talk about his senate record (probably for good reason)...

I'm sure if he had anything to talk about Senate wise, he'd be waggling that stick finger in the air and yammering non-stop. But there're too many witnesses to his MIA legislative career. Far safer to embroider 35 year old adventures, as you can always question your opponents' foggy, biased recollections, when confronted with a complete lack of evidence supporting your personal fiction. And besides, he's got the Super 8 docu-drama film to prove it, right?

Mekong, schmekong...I love the smell of the Washington Post in the morning...

Posted by: tree hugging sister at August 12, 2004 at 11:57 PM

This isn't really about what Kerry did in Vietnam. Its about whether he told the truth in the years since. After all, if there were no question about whether he was truthful, no one would care about it.

If Kerry had actually run covert ops into Canada with SEALs and whatnot, that would be just fine with the Swiftie crowd. Its the lying that pisses them off. And these weren't just idle boasts by Kerry - he used them strategically to advance his agenda and his career.

Anyone who doesn't understand that its about the lying is being obtuse.

Posted by: R C Dean at August 13, 2004 at 12:06 AM

Just a question:

If Kerry thought Nixon was already president months before January 20, 1969, who does he think is president right now?

Posted by: Mike G at August 13, 2004 at 12:17 AM

I'm sure this could easily be changed into the Kerry Cambodia song!

Where did you get that hat?
Where did you get that tile?
Isn't it a CIA one,
And just the proper style
I would like to have one
Just the same as that
Wherever I looks, people shout "Watch out Gooks!
Where did you get that hat?"

How I came to get this hat is really kind of funny:
I got divorced, remarried into Ketchup money,
But when the vows were read out, preist told me straight and flat--
If I would have her money, I would have to wear this hat.

Where did you get that hat?
Where did you get that tile?
Isn't it a CIA one,
And just the proper style
I would like to have one
Just the same as that
Wherever I looks, people shout "Watch out Gooks!
Where did you get that hat?"

Now when I go to the opera house all in the opera season,
Someone's sure to shout at me without the slightest reason.
And when I go to a Wendy's to get a bite to eat,
Someone Republican is sure to shout at me

Where did you get that hat?
Where did you get that tile?
Isn't it a CIA one,
And just the proper style
I would like to have one
Just the same as that
Wherever I looks, people shout "Watch out Gooks!
Where did you get that hat?"

Posted by: Rob Read at August 13, 2004 at 01:05 AM

I hate lined dried clothes. They come off stiff as an ironing board. Oh yeah. It's L.A. You want that smog in your clothes?

Posted by: mishu at August 13, 2004 at 02:05 AM

I dry my clothes outside too. While I'm wearing them. Then I wake up, stumble out of the alley, and try to find my car.

As for Kerry, I'm with Steyn.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at August 13, 2004 at 02:57 AM

The fact he lied, and the fact that there is proof that he did, pretty well says it all. Why have we allowed ourselves to just accept the fact that pols lie, and not demand they be honest? We are getting exactly what we have chosen to settle for. But I do hope that Kerry goes down in flames in Nov.

Posted by: Crusader at August 13, 2004 at 03:12 AM

I don't know if it's the pollution or the humidity, but drying your clothes outside down here (Fort Worth, TX) will result in a rather revolting mildew stench that won't come out unless it's then washed several times in OxyClean. Yay for dryers!

Posted by: Amy at August 13, 2004 at 03:38 AM

I don't care if John Kerry took his shirt off, tied a leather strap around his head and went blasting all the way into Hanoi Rambo-style. It was three flippin' decades ago!!! I want to know what he plans to do NOW with Osama & Co. knocking on our door! If he can't tell me that (and obviously he can't), I don't have any use for his lying ass.

Posted by: Rebecca at August 13, 2004 at 04:14 AM

Oh, and Tim? It isn't the sunshine. It's that eau de smog that deters 'em.

Posted by: Rebecca at August 13, 2004 at 04:14 AM

Rebecca,

I want to know what he plans to do NOW with Osama & Co. knocking on our door!

He has a very Nixonesque "Secret Plan" that he won't reveal until after he's elected.

Really.

Posted by: Spiny Norman at August 13, 2004 at 04:19 AM

What I don't understand is how anyone professes to truly give a flip about what John Kerry and George Bush did 32 or 36 years ago.

It's because Kerry's been talking about exactly two things: 1) What he did in Viet Nam, 2) What he will do once he's President.

That's why I give a flip. Really, I'd much rather talk about what he did once he got back from Viet Nam, or what he did as Lt Gov to Mike Dukakis, or what he did as a Senator (I understand he's been one for over a decade)... but Kerry hasn't been talking about those things. It's all "I'm a decorated Viet Nam veteran, and here's what I'm thinking about maybe doing as President".

I'm not impressed.

Posted by: rosignol at August 13, 2004 at 04:25 AM

John Kerry's Cambodia story has been confirmed as a lie by the fact that I prefer a Maytag Atlantis dryer to good ol' Sol.

[Head explodes]

Posted by: Tongue Boy at August 13, 2004 at 04:32 AM

I'm with Tim on this drying bit. Being up here in Seattle the winters (uh, fall, that autumn to you Tim, spring, and even sometimes summers) are not kind to the line drying. But having spent sometime in Melbourne one of the things I miss is the line drying, even under the corrugated fiberglass over the patio. Of course, they did look at me funny when I asked to use the dryer - its just an "emergency" type device that sits unplugged in the carport. One bit of advice, though, Tim - Next time you all are on the grand World stage make sure someone knows not to have a bunch of people running around with Hill's Hoists coming out of the top of their heads.

Posted by: joel at August 13, 2004 at 04:51 AM

I am a freak. I line dry my clothes, inside. But in a country where it's perpetually 26C with 45% RH, you can do that. So nyaah.

Anyway, never mind what Lurch was doing in his dinghy in the Mekong in 1968. The question that the Leftist media have failed to ask is, where was John Edwards? Huh? Huh? Was he in the shit? Was he in the 'Nam, hunting Charlie? Nuh-uh. My sources say he was hiding out in the Piedmont in South Carolina, dodging the draft by enrolling in some organisation known as 'Junior High' (is that a drugs reference?)

Posted by: David Gillies at August 13, 2004 at 05:01 AM

I can't list *one* major piece of legislation he championed. I can't even list any meaningful leadership positions he's held within his own party, or within the US Senate.

Well, he did courageously defy a president of his own party and join 66 other senators in passing the Balanced Budget Amendment through the Senate in 1996, giving him the credibility to attack Bush on his deficits . . .

Oh! Wait! That was the Kerry from the Bizzaro Universe. In this one, Kerry's vote was the margin by which the Balanced Budget Amendment was defeated.

Hmm. Well, there's the many times he's submitted bills to increase the size of the military and to increase the equipment budget, which gave him the credibility to criticize Bush going to war in Iraq with too few troops and not enough gear . . .

Erm. Bizzaro Kerry again. Let me think . . .

The way he courageously stood up to the warmongers by voting against the authorization of force in Iraq? His firm stance for civil rights when he voted against the Patriot Act?

Hmm. No and no, again.

Well, he thought the No Child Left Behind Act was underfunded, so he proposed supplemental appropriations to make up for the shortfall, right?

In fact, beyond voting against the Bush tax cuts, is there a single issue in this campaign where Kerry actually brought the power of his office to bear? Just once in the last 19 years?

Posted by: Warmongering Lunatic at August 13, 2004 at 05:56 AM

Now I understand why the left have been pushing the "Bush Lied" crap for such a long time, despite any evidence that he did. It's because their boy would have his own deceits blowing up on him ...

Posted by: anotherKevin at August 13, 2004 at 06:44 AM

"(Not that the 100% humidity thing EVER happens in California, lucky bastards.)"

Sure it does. We just restrict it to a three-week period (laughingly referred to here as "winter") usually scheduled during early February. While it's actually raining, at least.

Unless you live north of Mendocino, in which case the moss growing on your north side traps moisture, keeping you cool all day. And your laundry, while slightly green and...um...well, frankly, clammy, is less likely to chafe sensitive skin than if it actually dried completely.

Posted by: SteveH at August 13, 2004 at 06:55 AM

I now heard George W. Bush going to make his varsity rugby experience the center of his campaign this year. It must have deeply affected him, seared memories of Christmas in the scrum, hitting a running wounded player with a right hook, and I bet he still has that lucky helmet for those times he is being pummeled in the press for saying things that are true.

Posted by: J_Crater at August 13, 2004 at 06:56 AM

I don't care if John Kerry took his shirt off, tied a leather strap around his head and went blasting all the way into Hanoi Rambo-style.

Rebecca

It is interesting that you bring up Rambo.

Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they?

Can there be any doubt which "they" Rambo is refering to? Remember those thousand Vietnam Veterans for Peace, Kerry claimed to be the spokesman for in the Senate? Where are they?
Perhaps they all work for the MSM. OR Kerry made them up out of whole cloth (unintentional laundry reference).

Does Kerry have any shame or remorse for the two million Cambodians who were murdered due to his lie?
Why are we not burning down the Newspaper buildings across this land right now?

Posted by: papertiger at August 13, 2004 at 07:29 AM

WL:

"In fact, beyond voting against the Bush tax cuts, is there a single issue in this campaign where Kerry actually brought the power of his office to bear? Just once in the last 19 years?"

I live in the state Kerry has represented in the Senate for the past 20 odd years. I was astonished this man was elected as the Dem. nominee. The guy has done ZILCH in the Senate. He's been like the invisible man.

I worry about handing the White House to someone like him when we have terrorists that want to kill us. He is not strong enough, inside, to withstand the pressures and keep the US safe. He is not the leader he portrays himself to be.

His leadership may have been demonstrated for 4 mos. in Vietnam 30 years ago. But he has managed to avoid showing any leadership since arriving in the US Senate.

I'm not alone in wondering what the heck Kerry has done for our state (MA) the last 20 years. People I've talked with have wondered the same thing.

At first, I assumed he *must* have championed something in the Senate. I figured it was just me, that I couldn't remember. I was willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. I started reading and hearing other people in my state ask the same questions as I did.

Kerry's role in the Senate has been one of support, not leadership. He hasn't been a leader since his Vietnam days. This is no time to have someone to get reacquainted with their leadership skills in the White House.

Posted by: Chris Josephson at August 13, 2004 at 07:52 AM

Hey, I'm all up for talking about the 80s, 90s and 00s, particularly since I wasn't alive before then. But Kerry doesn't want to.


Ah well...

Posted by: Quentin George at August 13, 2004 at 08:25 AM

Uh Matt, wasn't there something about AWOL awhile
back? There was also something about baby killers,
rapists, butchers, and good old, all around, war
criminals. When I was in the Navy we were not
allowed to go on liberty in civilian attire. That
was during 'Nam, after 'Nam when I enlisted in the
Marine Corps in certain areas we were told to not
wear uniforms. A big change in the way the public
viewed the military. Why?

Posted by: Mike H. at August 13, 2004 at 10:48 AM

Keep up the fight to save the planet dood .For all you Yammericans : get a clue : the reason you have smog is because you use too much carbon based energy.(You use too many SUV sized devices). The oil you obtain from the Middle East is about to come to an end shortly and then you'll have to make do with the nuclear fusion reactor in the sky.

Posted by: Prof Shytonomouse at August 13, 2004 at 10:52 AM

re: "clothes" dryer:

As one of our famous Australian sports commentators ones declared "he kicked the football with his foot". That way there is no room for doubt.

Posted by: LaVallette at August 13, 2004 at 11:09 AM

OOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPS!!!!!!!!!!

Once for "ones"

Posted by: LaVallette at August 13, 2004 at 11:16 AM

Only line dry if you use a good quality fabric softner, otherwise use the big round iron.

Econometric model my arse - check the betting for the best guide:

IASBet.com

Howard $1.40
Latham $2.88
Bush $2.00
Kerry $1.80

C'mon you Seppo RWDBs - lift your game.

Posted by: Razor at August 13, 2004 at 11:49 AM

SteveH: If I can get my laundry dry under my carport in winter in Tasmania, it certainly should be possible in California.

So what if it takes 2 days! :)

Posted by: taspundit at August 13, 2004 at 11:49 AM

Alas, I would love to be able to dry my clothes outside, but I have the slight problem of living right in the flight path of not just one, but two airports of fairly significant size.

Even if I were to ditch my car for an organic dolphin-safe post-consumer-content-recycled cruelty-free solar bicycle with 100% sustainably-harvested whole-wheat tires, there's abso-bleeping-lutely nothing I can do about jet exhaust. So, hello, Kenmore!

Posted by: Mary in LA at August 13, 2004 at 11:51 AM

Chris --

Well, to be fair, he did run probing investigations to make sure the U.S. wasn't giving assistance to the efforts to overthrow Daniel Ortega's communist dictatorship in Nicaragua. You know, the Soviet ally who took power through violence, and whom the Nicaraguan people resoundingly rejected once they had the chance to vote in 1990? Who was rejected again in 1996, and yet again in 2001.

Hmm, whate else? Well, he's been the lead sponsor on eight bills that made it into law -- one renaming a federal building, two designating ceremonial days, two designating awareness weeks, a marine mammal protection act, a marine research grant act, and a bill providing grants to support small businesses owned by women.

Hmm, leadership positions . . . well, he's the ranking Democrat on the Small Business and Entrepreneurship committee, Sub-Commitee on Oceans, Fisheries, and the Environment, and the Sub-Committee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs. Which is more-or-less the minimum you'd expect of any Senator with ninteen years and eight months of senority to have.

Oh, he did push normailizing relations with Vietnam.

How can we possibly doubt a man with this glowng record is qualified to lead the United States, even if his total experience in the executive branch is only two years as lieutenant governor? And, hey, his VP candidate has served not quite six years in the Senate! Who better ito have as the backup man if Al Qaeda manages to take out a President?

Posted by: Warmongering Lunatic at August 13, 2004 at 01:11 PM

WL:

Enjoyed your list!! Got a chuckle. You even listed his stint as our Lt. Governor. I know it differs state to state, but in MA the Lt. Gov. has less a role than the VP of the US.

He has *quite* the impressive record, no?

It's very disturbing to think we may hand the White House over to someone whose leadership has been limited to supporting roles, at best.

Kerry will be eaten alive by the UN, EU, and the terrorists. It will be sad to watch if he gets in.

Posted by: Chris Josephson at August 13, 2004 at 02:03 PM

Hello - Mr. Obvious here, repeating stuff you already know.

Which previous Republican administration was Kerry trying to slander?

LBJ (the president at the time he ate the magic mushrooms and imagined this searing memory)? Nope - Democrat.

His predecessor, JFK? Nope - Democrat, too.

Must have been Ike, that rotten bastard, who "ordered" Kerry into Vietnam in 1968, seven years after he'd left the presidency, and a scant three months before he himself assumed room temperature.

Posted by: Patton at August 13, 2004 at 03:32 PM

Patton:

You missed Nixon.

Posted by: Chris Josephson at August 13, 2004 at 03:35 PM

Hmmm.

I read "Unfit for Command" tonight.

1. If it's not true, then Kerry has one helluva defamation suit.

2. If it's true, then Kerry's a miserable sack of s**t that's not worth shooting.

I'm leaning towards #2.

Buy the book. Borrow the book. Steal the book. Anyway you get it, it's a good read.

And then you'll probably want to do something really painful to Kerry.

Posted by: ed at August 13, 2004 at 04:41 PM

Has the world--or the entire state--gone mad? It's very simple:
-if the laundry can't be at all stiff when done (e.g., diapers, dish towels) it goes in the dryer. On low, to save energy.
-if the laundry can be a little stiff, and/or is some delicate, and/or is a bright or dark color, it gets air-dried. Not in the sun, though: that will bleach it. Dry it inside, on non-metal hangers hung on doorjams or on the couch or something like that (I use my spiral staircase, unless company's coming). Use your imagination: any non-wood, non-leather spot can be used to dry laundry, and it only takes a few hours in this zero humidity--at least in Southern California. (Northern, you're on your own: it's humid up there.)

Posted by: Attila Girl at August 13, 2004 at 05:31 PM

Chris:

Sorry - Nixon was after 1968. 1969, as it turns out.

Posted by: Patton at August 13, 2004 at 07:45 PM

Sorry - Nixon was after 1968. 1969, as it turns out.

That's the point, Patton. When Kerry got up in the Senate to mention his little trip to Cambodia, the President he blamed was Nixon.

As he told the Boston Herald in 1979, "I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

I know in 1968 LBJ was President, you know it, and I'm pretty sure Kerry knows it as well.

Posted by: Quentin George at August 13, 2004 at 09:47 PM

Nuclear powered clothes dryer? I want one!
Actually, since for the purposes of this debate, we can define the sun as (amongst other things) a nuclear powered clothes dryer, then perhaps that's why Canadians don't want to use it?

Posted by: TimT at August 13, 2004 at 10:20 PM

Sorry Quentin & Chris - I'm apparently causing the irony here to fold over on itself. Unintentionally, of course.

Posted by: Patton at August 14, 2004 at 02:14 PM

Damn! Sorry Patton. The world is getting so insane that sarcasm and irony are hard to tell from real statements now...

Posted by: Quentin George at August 14, 2004 at 03:46 PM

Kerry has an issue with the truth. He feels it should be used very sparingly, if at all.

As for LA smog, it has been found to have the qualities of dry cleaning fluid. In other words, by leaving your clothes out to dry, not only will they be dried, but also dry-cleaned.

Posted by: Marvin Thulenberg at August 15, 2004 at 04:41 AM

Mary in LA — I stopped taking my motorcycle to LAX because the rubber handgrips would literally dissolve off in my hands when I came back. I'd be less worried about my lacy unmentionables and more worried about my lungs...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at August 15, 2004 at 04:04 PM

Yeah, Patton, we've reached the Ironical Event Horizon by now... logic cannot escape. Kerry's been trapped there for thirty years.

And as for line drying clothes in California, they would have gone for it but some loudmouth made the point that the sun is a fusion reactor. Now all those nuclear free zones are trying to find who to sue or indict for having it shine on them.

See, the sun's too bright to spot the tiny little Halliburton logo...

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 16, 2004 at 04:18 AM

Quoth Tim:

What is it with Californians? They’re always demanding alternative energy sources, but when one appears every day right above their heads they shun it in favour of an SUV-sized drying device running on nuclear- or oil-derived electricity. Planet-hating monsters.)

My clothes dryer runs on natural gas. Neener neener.

Posted by: Nathan Sharfi at August 16, 2004 at 01:26 PM