Tim Blair

For Mongo(s)!

blowing one man's head entirely away

COOL

eat shit

obligatory "semper fi" here

Good job, Marines!

I have a nephew in the Marines up in the Sunni Triangle. It's good to hear this news!

As for that psy-ops unit, here's another one:

"Katie Couric is here, with cameras, looking for some terrorists to embed with!"

"Raisins, get your raisins, 72 per bag!"

"All Your Base Are Belong To Us!"

Terrorists in their own country!
Weird.

"Landshark."

I notice the SMH is in full spin mode for their heros, the valient resitance fighters of Iraq. The American are pinned down, they make little progress, they're injured, the street fighting is making them cry like little girls, when they do use their firepower they hit nothing but orphans and old men. The resistance is everyhwere, tormenting them, invincible, glorious.

Meanwhile the reality of modern combined-arms warfare is grinding the jihadi idiots to paste like cockroaches under the wheels of a tank.

It's times like this you see the unbelievable political bias of our idiot press mingle in spectacular fashon with it's utter willful ignorance of matters military. Are the marines expected to charge into mined and booby-trapped areas like idiots?

The coalition forces are going slow because they have plenty of time, four more years to be precise.

Terrorists in their own country?
weird!

I heard that the terrorists had escaped.That was why there is not much resistance.I just hope that the head chopper is still there.

Alright, Darren Hynes has officially reached self-parody status. Apparently his La Trobe professors have redefined "terrorism" to mean only terrorism that crosses borders. That will come as quite a surprise to the victims of the IRA, the Red Army Faction, the Tamil Tigers, ETA, Aum Shinrikyo, Timothy McVeigh...

5th this week
I reply by sending back one of the others

Dear Friend,
I am contactimg you for guidance and assistance to enable me secure a
profitable investment in your country . I am captain Fred Kamah from the
Republic of Liberia and an Accountant by profession.

[Uh, Rose, there was no reason to post this entire thing here. It had little if anything to do with the post. So sorry, I have snipped the rest. The Management.]

"Brave terrorists of Fallujah! I am Yassir Arafat and I want to kiss you...or something."

So what you are saying is that the estimated 100,000 civilians that have been killed since US involvement is the fault of their own people.
Even weirder!

US motto: "The more we kill, the more freedom we will give them"

Go America!!!!!!!

Darren, its not that hard to look around and realize that the 100,000 number being thrown around is nonsense, a mathematically unsound statistic with a purely political purpose in mind. Its junk science.

Since when is a number more important than a life. and since when has counting the dead been considered a 'science'.

100,000 or 20,000. Who cares? It's still a lot of innocents.

Andrea needs to put a block on all posters with the letters 'EDU' in their emale i reckon . this 100,0000,000,00 dead in iraq thing is getting old real quick.

Gee Darren, I hope you're a little more concerned with accuracy when you actually grow up and get a job.

By saying it makes no difference if the figure is 20,000 or 100,000 what you are actually saying is that 80,000 lives are insignificant in the face of your rhetoric.

Stalin would be proud.

No, you said 80,000 lives are insignificant, i didn't say it.

If you want to justify an argument that innocent people should be killed by refering to words like 'rhetoric' etc. that's your problem. hope it makes you feel better.

Getting personal dosen't prove your argument either.

Darren, baby, this is a quote: "100,000 or 20,000. Who cares?"

It's a quote from you, in case you're confused. By paraphrasing you with the term "insignificant" I was actually being generous to you. Your post is much bloodier than my paraphrase implied.

Yeah, Darren, I agree with you!

Come to think of it, there were WAY more than 100,000 civilian casualties in World War II. Why could't you dumb Americans just stay out of that, too? Europe probably would have been better off under that Hitler guy. I'm sure he wouldn't have been too bad if we'd just let him have his way.

My point was that either 20,000 or 100,000 is an unacceptably high number of deaths.
What does my job or my education have to do with this fact?

So Me,

what you are saying is that the terrorists in Iraq are capable of taking over the world?
hitler was a tyrant in control of a militarily capable powerfull state. He had to be stopped and America was correct in doing so. How Hitler is relevant to a group of ill-equiped iraqis is misleading. If you compared hitler's germany to todays North Korea, maybe.

My point was that either 20,000 or 100,000 is an unacceptably high number of deaths.

What is the acceptable cost for freedom and security?

"What is the acceptable cost for freedom and security?"

Is that question answerable? There will always be conflict somewhere in the world.

Terrorism is the biggest threat ever faced by the western world. We differ in methods, not goals.

Darren you threw around a figure then when questioned on it you claimed the figure itself wasn't important (or insignificant, or you don't care). Since you weren't quoting the figure as a fact, but to make a point, you were engaging in (tired) rhetoric, not debate or discussion.

If you can play that loose with figures, particularly when those figures represent lives, then I think your job and education are relevant.

Still, perhaps Mark Latham is looking for a research assistant ...

Darren, Zarqawi is Jordanian.

But you already knew that, didn't you?

Sorry Areb,
i still don't understand why this number thing is bothering you. If i went to iraq myself and conducted an inquiry i'm sure i would come up with an unacceptable answer for everyone.

and you still haven't justified your personal attack in regards to the issue.

"Hot dogs! Hot dogs! Get your hot dogs here!"

Ok then Darren, let me explain it to you.

You really don't care about the individuals behind the casualties. It's just a number to you, one that you hope is as high as possible, because it enables you to bludgeon your ideological opponents.

Do you understand?

Attention, attention, terrorists of Fallujah.

Oh cowards of Islam. Come decapitate us - but we are not bound, blindfolded, unarmed and on our knees.

We are talking about Fallujah Darren, and Islamic terrorists have killed far more than 100,000 innocent civilians worldwide.

For once your brave heroic rebels of Islam actually confronted a armed force of milirty men and got sent to their heavenly realm of virginal bliss, and now your angry.

Terrorists in their own country!
Weird.

You mean the hundreds of Syrian, Morrocan, Iranian, Jordanian and Lebanese terrorists.

Pull your head from Arafats sphincter defilade.

Have i revealed my ideologies? I've put forth an argument, not an ideology. It's a big mistake to insert your own reading of an argument into someone elses.

"You really don't care about the individuals behind the casualties"
Once again, i didn't say that.

The 100,000 number cited by Les Roberts in the Lancet was obtained by extrapolating from anecdotal reports (none of these alleged deaths actually confirmed) from such a small sample that it could have been (using this dubious methodology) anywhere from 8,000 to 194,000. The author, after insisting that this be published before the US election, simply split and picked a big round number which he hoped (one infers) might have an impact. And whenever mud is thrown, some of it will probably stick.

Because lies take some time to refute.

I think we should ask the Dutch, Belgies, and Frogs how many deaths in the course of liberation are acceptable. I bet it would be a lot higher than 100,000. Anyway, according to Iraq Body Count the number is less than 17,000 (and this is recognized as a high end estimate). Anyway, one civilian death is one too many, so does that mean all dictators shouild get a free pass? Especially those who kill 300,000 of their own citizens a year?

So Darren the alternative ?????????

Here's a plan, let the terrorists, sorry `freedom fighters' gain control of the entire country, impose Wahabbist Sharia law and hack the heads off all those who don't cover their hair, drink alcohol, or foolishly watch western TV and listen to western music etc etc etc.

Nice one Darren - oh are you a homosexual by chance? You'd love living in Iraq under the rule of your newly installed fundamentalist regime, it wouldn't be a long life though because ... yes, hack the head off time ...

Silly boy!

Back to the war against Islamic Fascism - the US soldiers and marines are replying to the Islamist lie that western militaries especially the US won't or can't fight and that western governments don't have the stomach to sustain casualties - they can and the 1200 US dead to date disprove for ever that hollow boast.

The terrorists in Fallujah are falling back to ever more constricted positions making it easier to kill them – they’ll soon have the river at their backs with the Black Watch dug in on the other bank just waiting for them.

So much for the MSM pundits who predicted a `Vietnam scale casualty list’ – ain’t going to happen – the US military constantly evolves, learning lessons from their first push into this city it’s obvious their new tactics and technology have given them an insurmountable supremacy on this battlefield as well.

Though we can expect a few `quagmire’ stories if the yanks pause for a meal break or to take a leak in the next couple of days.

"hitler was a tyrant in control of a militarily capable powerfull state"

Darren, When Hitler came to power, Geramny was hardly capable of fighting a war. The only reason he was militarily capable was because everyone stood by and did nothing as he built up militarily. Had other European nations actually stood up to him before he was capable of waging war, history books might quote 100,000 and not 40 million. Read into that what you will.

So what you are saying is that the estimated 100,000 civilians that have been killed since US involvement is the fault of their own people.
Even weirder!

US motto: "The more we kill, the more freedom we will give them"

Go America!!!!!!!

You think a post like that doesn't show your ideological bias on the matter?

Get real.

I've put forth an argument, not an ideology.

You haven't made anything even substantially resembling an argument here.

No wonder my uncle retired from his job at Latrobe, if you are the kind of student being produced.

The terrorists in Fallujah are falling back to ever more constricted positions making it easier to kill them – they’ll soon have the river at their backs with the Black Watch dug in on the other bank just waiting for them.

Hammer and Anvil

robw25,

Can't say i disagree.

robw25,

Can't say i disagree.
What's your point in terms of Iraq?

keep the personal attacks coming, Quentin.
My credibility is not relevant to the issue,
i've paid you the same respect. doesn't it work both ways?

"Martyrdom! Get your Martyrdom here!"

"What you are saying is that the terrorists in Iraq are capable of taking over the world?
hitler was a tyrant in control of a militarily capable powerfull state. He had to be stopped and America was correct in doing so. How Hitler is relevant to a group of ill-equiped iraqis is misleading. If you compared hitler's germany to todays North Korea, maybe".
Posted by: Darren Hynes at November 10, 2004 at 07:00

"Terrorism is the biggest threat ever faced by the western world. We differ in methods, not goals".

Posted by: Darren Hynes at November 10, 2004 at 07:14 PM

Apart from your confusion on the scale of threat

What's your method Darren.

Do tell.

"Apart from your confusion on the scale of threat"

No confusion here. Iraq is already beaten to a pulp. Are we trying to demoralise terrorists? That's not an answer. The stupid bastards think Allah's supporting them. Or do we we just wipe them out, women and children and all? That makes us no better than them.

Darren,
and YOUR solution is ?

Actually I meant to add that history books would no doubt be filled with people complaining that those European nations were murderers, attacking a peaceful nation, and were only in it for the chocolate. But then again hindsight is a wonderful thing. Perhaps some would prefer the 40 million.
Standing idly by and doing nothing when you have the capability to stop a tyrannical, murderous leader is simply evil.
You seem intent on pointing out those killed by coalition forces but say nothing of the people Saddam killed (or tortured then killed, or tortured to death, or killed then tortured(who knows with that sick fuck)). It is a very typical anti-war argument.
The 100,000 (or 20, who cares right?) argument also goes by the assumption that had the yanks not gone in, those people wouldn't have been summarily rounded up by Sadheads goons and killed anyway; along with god knows how many more down the track. At least once the wars over its over. The end of which is completely in the hands of the, er, terrorists/freedom fighters/rebels/misunderstood teenagers.
Lastly I'd like to point out that the fact that you even CONSIDER the lives lost says a great deal about the culture from which you come. I doubt there'd be too many of Saddam loyalists who could give a rats arse about the amount of American lives lost were the tables turned. It makes me proud to know that I was born into a culture that places such value on human life, no matter whose life it is. Your anger shouldn't be directed at the coalition, but at Saddam for putting us all in such a situation. Knowing that to do nothing costs lives, but to act also costs lives is a decision I wouldn't like to make. Thats probably why GWB adn JH have been re-elected, Kerry (and Latham in Australia) wouldn't have put their political careers in jeorpardy and acted, but instead would have let it continue while the hypocites of the left raised them aloft as the champions of freedom.

oops, just realised I hadn't quite answered your question. The comparison I was making relied on the assumption that Saddam had WMD's, though I'm assuming now that being anti-war you wouldn't give such an argument much credit, so I won't bother.

Saddam sacrificed about 400,000 and injured 750,000 against Iran. He then sat by as sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.
We're all morally content now that we saved iraq from the tyrant. The question is, why didn't we go in earlier? Don't forget Saddam was a buddy of the US when the Iran/iraq war occured. Did they just say to themselves, "hey, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?" before or after?
I'm not anti-war, by the way.

Saddam sacrificed about 400,000 and injured 750,000 against Iran. He then sat by as sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.
We're all morally content now that we saved iraq from the tyrant. The question is, why didn't we go in earlier? Don't forget Saddam was a buddy of the US when the Iran/iraq war occured. Did they just say to themselves, "hey, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?" before or after?
I'm not anti-war, by the way.

The americans should flood fallujah with pigs!

The debris if they set off mines will annoy jihadis and they won't be able to come back there as it's unclean!

Bringing home the bacon, so to speak!

Any foreign jihadis should be buried mixed with pig offal.

Don't forget Saddam was a buddy of the US . . .

That's not true, but let's pretend it is. If the US is responsible for inflicting Saddam on Iraq, then doesn't the US have the moral duty to right that wrong and remove him?

The question is, why didn't we go in earlier?

Good question. You'll have to ask the Clinton foreign policy team, the UN, the French, Scott ("I like 'em young!") Ritter, Hans Blix, Tom Daschle . . . .

How would i ask those guys, you got their number?

500,000 Children? Where did you get that from?
And wouldn't Saddam be responsible for those deaths due to his decision to not provide them with food and medicine under the palaces for Saddam oil for food program?

I read 500,000 was the estimate in an article.
Of course he was responsible. No-one expected otherwise.

Darren, Your numbers don't lie. While he built palaces, people died. Sanctions didn't kill people, there was still plenty of money floating around, it just didn't get to the people who needed it. We did go in before. Why wasn't the job done right the first fucking time? Same reason the yanks spent months trying to get UN approval. Too many people used the "every nation should be able to rule as it sees fit" argument or "Its unjust" (Also too many countries having a stake in Saddams well being). Except this time we have leaders with more balls who aren't listenening to these ludicrous arguments.
As for the US being buddies with Saddam, a little before my time I must admit, I woulda been like 5 yrs old, so you've got me there (I've read stuff but I can't give to much insight into the circumstances surrounding it anymore than my nephew will know much about Iraq so I won't parrot other peoples opinions. Someone else here will know more I'm sure). But in any case, their decision then cannot be entirely held against them. Saddams greatest asset has been his ability to change, remember he wasn't religous before the Iran/Iraq conflict, but as the conflict drew on and his popularity wained he was quick to be photographed praying at mosques and things of that nature.

Okay, folks, the Darren Hynes Show is over for the day. By the way, considering his "Terrorists in their own country! Weird!" remark -- yeah, there have never been terrorists who attacked their own country because they didn't like the way things were going cough IRA the Weather Underground Timothy McVeigh cough. What do they teach in those universities of yours?

Oh well,
Looks like we don't get Darren's
global solution.

ps. Why do these people always blame the US
for Saddam's creation?

Everybody in Europe and even the old USSR saw
him as a bulwark against the absolute fruitcakes
of Iran.

And they embraced him.

Especially Chirac as he inspected his nearly
completed nuclear reactor.

(Just before the evil Jooos bombed it).

Times change. After all the West supported Stalin
in WW2.

A couple more:

"Sean Penn is here and wants a guide for a walking tour of the city."

"Scott Ritter is IM'ing your little sister."

Kill em ALL. Send them to hell. I wish I was there.

What do they teach in those universities of yours?

Mouth-breathing and tyrant-loving, apparently.

latest news
some of Allawi's family kidnapped by Islamofascists.

What do they teach in those universities of yours?

Andrea, you must understand that "La Trobe University" is one of what we might call the "lower class" of universities in Australia (like edith cowan uni or uni of western sydney)

in short: it's a bogan university; it's the victorian equivalent of ECU or UWS.

God's final message to Creation: Sorry for the inconvenience.
[Courtesy of Douglas Adams]

Come and colect your 1000 virgins! All wearing the sexist burqas imaginable, totting platters of dates and sheep's cheese! Come, enjoy, they're lovely!

Happy Birthday, USMC. "Negotiating" with terrorists since 1775. OooRah!

To paraphrase a young Lcpl in Bagdad, "Go ahead and dig in motherf*****s, you'll just die tired."

ONE death is unacceptable. But that line was crossed when Saddam shot his first 'subject.'

Oh, no! Does the SMH have the facts? Are we quagmired in ANOTHER morass reminiscent of Vietnam?

If this Darren Whynes is the star pupil at La Trobe, the University staff ought to take up a new profession cleaning toilets.

Actually, thinking upon the matter, if Darren is even an average student, toilet cleaning should be their new source of income.

Our guys are luring them out with taunts like "You dogs" and the Arab boys are just not jiggy with that. They rush out and get put down like curs.

Maybe P. Diddy should have taken his "Vote or Die" campaign to the reactionary terrorists in Falluja?

"Yer Mullah wears Army boots!"

"AIEEEEEEEEEEE!"
(bang)

"Next!"

From the Terrorist Training Manual, Chapter Four, "Attacking Infidel American Military Forces"-

Step 1: Rush up in car.

Step 2: Run away.

Step 3: Blow self up.

Brilliant. Jesus Christ, is there any worse soldier on Earth than an Arab?

"PANTIES! GET'CHER HEAD PANTIES HERE!"

Now that Dustbin's gone, its safe to re-visit the Vietnam quagmire once again -"We had to destroy the vill to save it..."

"Dear Jihadis, the USMC is celebrating its birthday in Fallujah today. Please come on over for coffee and cake." AND THEN, BLAMMO

OK, I'm not participating in this discussion any more. This jingoistic triumphalism is distasteful in light of the fact that it has been estimated that 100,000 plastic turkeys have been killed in Fallujah.

Dave S., you mean either "100,000 or 20,000" plastic turkeys. But who cares? It's still a lot of dead plastic turkeys.

The terrorist shitehooks will of Fallujah soon be dead. If the Marines don't get you, the Black Watch will.
I am so proud of the Black Watch, one of the greatest regiments of the British Army. I just hope that it doesn't get disbanded because of cuts. A regiment with a history like that should never be allowed to die.

2 fer one, goat on a stick

Win a kiss from Kofi!

Geez, you guys sure are obssessed with the university i go to. Poor fools.
I guess it makes you feel better or something.

Get your free Rhino Horn. Free Brass Balls with the Rhino Horn.

Only Darren Hynes is smart. Everyone else is not. I know this because he said so.

Hey Hynes, please to reveal the theory behind your "Terrorists in their own country! Weird." comment. While you twist yourself into a pretzel doing so, also be sure to explain how Saudis, Jordanians and sundry other non-Iraqi Islamofascists "freedom fighters" on the jihad in Fallujah etc. fit into your pithily-stated Grand Unified Theory of Lack of Terrorism. I'm always eager to learn from my betters.

Moving the goal posts, answer evasion, stating opinions as facts, misquoting studies, refusing to acknowledge direct questions, demands attention, unable to admit error, arrogant and condescending, indulges in ad hominem attacks, and can't/won't read.

Darren, you are a unoriginal troll. Don't bother debating it, I'm telling you, and I don't care if you agree or not. Everyone here sees you for the pathetic twerp that you are, and is laughing at you for it. The school that you go should not use you as an example of a fine alumni; if they do, it's time convert the campus into a bordello.

Jeff-

One plastic turkey death is a tragedy. One million plastic turkey deaths is a statistic. Or a year's worth of Philip Adams columns. I forget.

Well, Dave, I'll agree that reading any one Phillip Adam's columns is like suffering a million deaths.

"Darren, you are a unoriginal troll. Don't bother debating it, I'm telling you, and I don't care if you agree or not. Everyone here sees you for the pathetic twerp that you are, and is laughing at you for it. The school that you go should not use you as an example of a fine alumni; if they do, it's time convert the campus into a bordello."

Gee, That's productive. Hope you feel better.
I don't remember insulting you though. I guess thats your solution to everything, make it personal and win the argument.

:-)

Darren, we don't have to try to win the arguments with you - you're losing them by default thanks to the inanities you post. That's why you're being called a troll. I know it comes as a shock to many lefty college students, as it obviously comes as a shock to you, but, you're not nearly as smart or clever as you think you are. And they longer you decide to stick around here, they more obvious this fact will become to everyone but you (if it hasn't already achieved maximum obviousness).

sigh..."...the longer...", "...the more obvious...", of course.

Typing and eating do not go together well.

And the score is....

Darren = 0, PW = 1,000,000

:-D

Darren! Stop moving me!

During the first "thunder runs" through Bagdad(sp? where does that extra "h" go?), they used taunts to draw out the jihad-monkeys from their hiding places. One of the taunts they used was, "You All Shoot Like Goats!", which apparently is not far from the truth.

Clearly this is an opportunity for our troops to get some much needed entertainment at the terrorists' expense. It would be nice to really hit them where it hurts. Give us your best efforts; here are my feebles:

"We have pictures of your father with panties on his head!!"

"Britney Spears says that Arab men smell like pigs!!"

"Bin Laden is owned by Jewish bankers!!"

Airdrop a thousand pigs into the heart of the city. Not those cute little pink piggies out of "Charlotte's Web", but a thousand really ticked off Arkansas razorback boar hogs, and then overfly the area spraying the same pheremones (sp?) found in female razorbacks in heat.
Wait a few hours, and THEN send in the Marines...

Just a thought...

"Candygram."

Oh, man. I can't stop laughing.

That is all.

The marines should call out "What do you call an Arab with a one inch dick?"

"Well hung"

"Virgins! Getcher 72 virgins right here!"

"Pirate DVDs of latest Dutch porn!"

"Come out so our women can laugh at your wee-wees!"

...but enough about Lyndie England!

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