November 02, 2004


Michael Moore makes a film critical of the bloodthirsty, dissent-crushing Bush regime -- then turns up at the Republican National Convention without incident. Consider the fate of a director who made a film critical of Islam:

Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh, who made a controversial film about Islamic culture, has been stabbed and shot dead in Amsterdam, Dutch police say.

Police arrested a man in a nearby park after an exchange of gunfire.

Van Gogh, 47, had received death threats after his film Submission, on violence against women in Islamic societies, was shown on Dutch TV.

Eyewitnesses quoted by Radio Netherlands said Van Gogh was attacked while cycling by a man dressed in a traditional Moroccan jallaba.

Posted by Tim Blair at November 2, 2004 11:11 PM

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Posted by: tim at November 2, 2004 at 11:14 PM

ah, you can always count on the religion of pieces, tim.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at November 2, 2004 at 11:14 PM

Islam: religion of peace!

As for Europe? Good luck, guys.

Posted by: Richard at November 2, 2004 at 11:20 PM

Like I said, I don't hate Muslims but I hate Islam. Ohh look over there, some moderate Islam! Whoops, blink and you missed it.

Fuck Islam.

And fuck the spinless, worthless Europeans for letting this filthy, backward creed shit all over the birthplace of Western Christianity. Those people are dogs.

Posted by: Amos at November 2, 2004 at 11:37 PM

Oh check this:

Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said "it is unacceptable if expressing your opinion would be the cause of this brutal murder".

Whooah, steady on sport! What are you some kind of racist? That veered awfully close to criticism of the world's premier murder-worship cult and extortion racket. I trust a clarification will be forthcoming from this hatefull bigot, Jan Peter Balkenende.

Posted by: Amos at November 2, 2004 at 11:41 PM

But dude, the real fascism is happening in America because the government can go to the library and see who checked out a book!

Posted by: Mike G at November 2, 2004 at 11:54 PM

Yo Mike! There is a possible 380,000,000 eligible card holders in the USA. How many have been checked?

A. Zero dud!

Posted by: Dude at November 3, 2004 at 12:10 AM

I'm sure others have said this before but if Bush and Co. were capable of 10% of MM's accusations, he would be dead and his film would never have been released much less ever heard of.

I'm living in Ukraine right now and here, things really do happen to people who become a problem for the government. No doubts, no theories, just reality.

At least the Dutch don't have to worry about this becoming more common in the future because their population will soon enough be majority islamic. Oh wait...

Posted by: bb at November 3, 2004 at 12:10 AM

Exactly, Mike G...I've had to stop counting all the people who were stabbed and shot in front of their local libraries by agents of the government...

Posted by: PW at November 3, 2004 at 12:12 AM

Damn the Islamofascists! And the Euroweenies aren't much better, their submission is becoming pathetic.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at November 3, 2004 at 12:25 AM

and don't forget all the librarians askkkroft has dragged off to the concentra -er- vacation camps in north dakota.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at November 3, 2004 at 12:25 AM

Yes, that's all very well, but...Halliburton!

Posted by: Clem Snide at November 3, 2004 at 12:26 AM

You know, every time I think it's too lame and obvious to use something like the /sarcasm thing...

I remember that it's the Internet and there's no such thing as too obvious.

Posted by: Mike G at November 3, 2004 at 12:49 AM

My personal prediction: first commentators spend 5 minutes decrying the tragedy, then they declare Van Gogh called it upon himself because his movies & general behavior were so insensitive, and by the end of the day Bush is to blame, because the war in Iraq radicalized all muslims.

Unfortunately, where I work, going from 1 to 2 took less then 5 minutes.

Posted by: Daran at November 3, 2004 at 12:51 AM

Ah ha! More crushing of dissent!

Posted by: Crusader at November 3, 2004 at 12:57 AM

Yeah Moore does not seem to grasp what exactly the crushing of dissent really means. I have encountered people who spout this rubbish at is just so easy to make them look the fool.

Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge at November 3, 2004 at 01:05 AM

The 2 most liberal european countries, Holland and Sweden countries will become the first Islamic states. France will follow, not from liberalism, but from fear and submission.

Islam is fascism. Anyone who opposes Islam will be murdered.

Submit to avoid being murdered.

Islam is taking over your society and there is nothing you can do about it.

Vote John Kerry.

Posted by: Mike the Moor at November 3, 2004 at 01:11 AM

Holland is the canary in the mine. By 2020, population trends indicate that the majority of males under age 18 in Holland will be of Muslim extraction. First generation or new immigrant.

In thirty years, practicing Christians have declined from over 80% of the population to around 6% in Holland.

The Dutch are giving up their culture slapdash, without even a whimper. If native Dutch think this is an aberration, they can comfort themselves with the expectation that Sharia in Holland will put an end both to this type of killing, and the free expression that caused it.

Not too far down the road, killings of this kind will have the sanction of The State. If you ask me, they deserve what they get.

Posted by: Rhod at November 3, 2004 at 01:12 AM

The greatest success of Islamic Fascism is to get the Left to blame the victim.

9-11 was the fault of America
Madrid was the fault of Zapatero

Islam has friends.

Vote John Kerry,

Posted by: Mike the Moor at November 3, 2004 at 01:13 AM

Michael Moore must be furious. His “minute man” was only able to kill one infidel, not a entire bus load or plane load of women and children infidels.

Posted by: perfectsense at November 3, 2004 at 01:27 AM

The web site of Theo Van Gogh has a short message in Dutch

a translation by a reader would be appreciated

Posted by: Yoo Hoo at November 3, 2004 at 03:41 AM

This is terribly sad news about the Dutch filmmaker being murdered by a Muslim for making a movie, for exercising his right of free expression. Brings to mind Salman Rushdie, who had/has a fatwa issued against him for simply writing a book which Iranian theocrats found offensive. (I bought it wrapped in a brown wrapper when it came out!) Rushdie spoke in NY not too long ago and said that he supported Kerry because America is becoming an intolerable fascist police state under Bush (who is fighting the Islamofascists). The author contended that dissent and freedom of expression are being quashed on a regular basis in our media and under the Patriot Act...

Sometimes real life is more twisted than farce. Perhaps Rushdie is hoping to get his death sentence reduced to a life of mere dhimmitude.

Posted by: charlotte at November 3, 2004 at 03:51 AM

Rhod is actually right, and I can tell because I live in Amsterdam. Did I say Amsterdam ? Actually I mean little Morocco. In my part of Amsterdam (the west part of the city), the majority of people is Moroccan. This means the majority is islamic. This is an absolute disaster. Groups of kids roam the street, harassing women. Most of the shops have closed down and are replaced by internet cafes or islamic butchers. We have security personnel in the supermarkets (only two left in the entire neighbourhood), because otherwise people don't dare to come. The only cinema here had to close, not because there was not enough audience, but because the locals terrorized the place. I guess they didn't like "immoral" american movies. Friends and family don't want to visit me anymore because their cars get broken into. I can go on like this for a long time. As an airline pilot I get to visit some places, including the arabic world and America. Nowadays when I visit places like Tehran or Cairo, I don't feel away from home. There are just as many women hiding under blankets as there are in my hometown. I really hope that the United States remaines steadfast in their principles, as they always have been. You do not want to live in an Islamic society, and I can tell because I'm practically living in one. So as an "dutch liberal" I say: VOTE BUSH !
(By the way liberal in Holland means Right Wing)
Theo van Gogh was a supporter of the fight against terrorism. He was basically the only voice in our society that supported Bush on this matter. He would have loved to see Bush win the election. Unfortunately our islamo fascist, taliban loving fellow citicens hold a diffirent view. Theo wrote in his book "Allah knows better" that he considered himself to old to emigrate to the U.S. Maybe he should have. He would probably still be alive today.

Posted by: Joost at November 3, 2004 at 04:05 AM

For Yoo Hoo who would like the translation, the short message on Theo's site means:
This morning we received the message that Theo van Gogh had died. Because of overwhelming interest we have had to close down the site, in a few days we hope to be back. Reactions can be made via the known link: Slijmen and Schelden (which more or less translates as "Sucking up and calling names). We thank you for your interest.
On behalf of: De gezonde roker (The healthy smoker)
Karel Gabler

Posted by: Joost at November 3, 2004 at 04:20 AM

Pim Fortuyn, and now Theo van Gogh.

There is no dismissing these as the actions of a single nutcase acting alone this time. The Netherlands can ignore its Islamic problem no longer.

Posted by: 2dogs at November 3, 2004 at 04:32 AM

Problem is regardless of the mourning for this filmaker along the foulness and the free-speech implications of this crime his killer will be a hero in the Islamic community of the Netherlands. All the comdemnation of the killing being put forth by Islamic leaders is nothing more than misinformation; all that ends justifies the means thing.

Europeans had better wake up to the Islamofascist cancer that they have allowed into their midst or fifty years down the road the US will have to intervene once again into Europe in order to safegaurd any nuclear weapons still around.

The Dutch already seem to be a weak beaten people. It it time for some of the more courageous Dutch to put on their wooden shoes and kick some of their European countrymen in their wussy pasty asses.

Posted by: Harry in Atlanta at November 3, 2004 at 04:44 AM


Spokesman from the EU seem to think that within this century Muslims living among you will become Europeanized, whatever the hell that means. But even the head of the EU seems to agree that by the end of the century, Europe will be Islamic, without any comforting ruminations on how cosmopolitan and pacified they will be.

I believe that weaknesses in the Islamic liturgy make it unlikely that accomodations with modernism can be made. For one thing, there is no figure among Muslims who could unify and interperet the faith in terms that can coincide with the existence of other religions and the West as it is today. If there are, they're pretty quiet or already dead.

We also are not at war with terrorism. Terrorism is not an entity, militant Islam is the enemy. Not radical Islam, not even Islamofascism although that description is close enough. Muslims who choose to take up arms against the West are the enemy. Any Muslims who don't agree can convince me otherwise. So far, no takers, just a lot of silence.

Militant Islam, however inert, existed before the Iraq invasion. They weren't created by the Iraq invasion, but maybe mobilized.

The demographic trends for your country and Europe at large are calamitous. I suspect Europe will deal with this problem one way or another, and one way would be violence in response to violence. The solution may suggest itself.

Posted by: Rhod at November 3, 2004 at 04:50 AM

Hoi all you!

I would like to say to all dutch women a big Dankjewel for being so welcoming to all Muslim guys, Turkish and Morrocan!

Sie hebben Leker kontje en hou van van de achter!

I love Dutch Women! Thank you for making Holland a paradise.

My cousins are all coming also. We love blond gils!

Posted by: Het Islam at November 3, 2004 at 04:51 AM


One comforting statistic..I can't recall the source, is that over 30% of Europeans polled, East and West, agree with the U.S. campaign in Iraq and favor Bush.

Hell, that's better than Marin County or the entire state of Massachusetts. Europeans are intoxicated by prosperity, accepting of high unemployment, pacified by comfort and long vacations and secure in their insecurity because the U.S. is still around. (The same social indices that account for Marin County and Massachusetts,)

Nothing lasts forever, and the curve of rising immigration will at some point intersect with the curve of rising stupidity among native Europeans and things might begin to change.

Posted by: Rhod at November 3, 2004 at 04:57 AM

Hey, take it easy on Marin County, pal! I can state confidently that Bush got at least one vote here. ;-)

My best wishes to The Netherlands, a courageous beacon of liberal individualism for over 400 years. I hope you are able to get your Islamic problem sorted out soon and peacefully.

Posted by: Lonely Marin County Republican at November 3, 2004 at 05:52 AM

Het Islam:

You probably aren't Middle Eastern, but your fantasy about Dutch women is genuine. You'd be the first male in your bloodline to breed with a biped.

Posted by: Gannymede at November 3, 2004 at 06:31 AM

from an eye witness who lives around the corner and knew him.
The assassination happened around the corner from where I live in Amsterdam Oost. I arrived on the scene five minutes after they killed Theo, as I was on my way to buy some bread with my two year old. I saw his body, with the knives still in it, covered with white linnen. Like this:

I informed Jihadwatch within the hour.

I knew Theo very well. He was the nicest guy. I worked with him at a radiostation, ten years ago. He lived around the corner, and never wanted to be surrounded by body guards, like Hirsi Ali and Wilders.
The police took his son out of the class room this morning to tell his father is dead. God bless Lieuwe.

Politicians now talk about societal problems, and that society is getting more violent. Off course, they don't talk about a war that is going on for 1400 years.

The guy who did it was wearing a djallaba, and has a long beard. After he shot Theo seven times, Theo was stabbed. On the knive a letter, or holy scriptures.

Every year 30.000 muslim immigrants arrive in my country.

God bless professor Fortuyn.

God bless Theo van Gogh.
The jihadist tried to cut of Theo's head! Amsterdam Daily Het Parool is reporting now. Then he pulled a smaller knive.
Again: a text was attached to the knive.

This happened after Theo was shot several times, maybe with an automatic gun. The gunner started shooting when Theo was still on the other side of the street.
This all happened at nine o'clock in the morning.
People were passing by on their way to work on their bike. Or dropping off their kids.
I was on my way to buy bread with my 2 year old.
I am still shaking.

Posted by: davo at November 3, 2004 at 07:13 AM

For everybody who is interested in some of the details that are now emerging, considering the way Theo van Gogh was murdered. It seems that the killer was dressed in arabic clothes. He was armed with at least two knives and a gun. According to eye witnesses he started shooting at Theo, who then tried to run away. Severely injured theo collapsed on the pavement, while he was being approached by his killer. This man took his time getting out his knives. Theo begged for his life to be spared. Instead the killer slit his throat and stuck the knife in his body. He also attached a note to him by sticking a second knife in his body. What is written on this note is not clear, but it appears to be arabic writing. What is also interesting is the fact that the killer is a friend of another person who has recently been arrested. This man was arrested because he had plans for a terrorist attack against our parliament. For me this is not a murder but an act of terrorism. I'm curious to find out what our (left oriented politically correct) media are gonna make of this. They wil probanly be interviewing a lot of muslims who wil be ranting "Islam is peace" followed by "He had it comming anyway".

Posted by: Joost at November 3, 2004 at 07:37 AM

This makes me feel sick.


Posted by: Matt T at November 3, 2004 at 06:44 PM

A film-maker killed for highlighting the domestic abuse of women.

Amnesty International had better be careful:

Posted by: Martin Morgan at November 3, 2004 at 09:00 PM

In memory, Dutch, British and European TV stations should show Theo's movie.

If you have a dog, it needs to learn bad behavour results in the opposite effect.

If the dog continues to behave badly, it can be put in a cage.

If the dog continues to behave badly, it can be put down.

Posted by: Brian at November 3, 2004 at 11:24 PM

Years ago, I was briefly in Amsterdam, and took time to visit the Anne Frank House. Based on the comments above, I wonder how much longer the House can last as a cathedral of anti-fascism and the Shoah, before it is obliterated and converted into a Sharia museum.

Posted by: Bruce Lagasse at November 4, 2004 at 03:27 AM

Mike G, it was funny, and I got it; but the problem with sarcasm is that it only works if people know you're sane. On the internet, that's not a safe assumption.

Posted by: John Nowak at November 4, 2004 at 04:49 AM