October 22, 2004
PROGRESSIVE YOUNG WOMEN AT PLAY
Clear the benches:
The first meeting of the Labor caucus since the party's devastating election defeat wrapped up on Friday after almost three hours.
Shouting could be heard coming from inside the party room in Parliament House where Labor MPs conducted a post-mortem on Labor's fourth consecutive election loss.
(Headline via reader Ben Palmer)
UPDATE. Maybe they were shouting about the Jews, who, as we know, control politics and the media in the US and Australia:
Posted by Tim Blair at October 22, 2004 03:00 PMFormer Bob Hawke government minister Barry Cohen has launched a stinging attack on critics of Israel within the Labor Party, saying anti-semitism is now rampant in the ALP.
He said the number of Labor MPs who supported Israel were increasingly being drowned out by members of the party's hard left, whom he accuses of making exaggerated claims about the nation.
Mr Cohen said Israel's opponents in the ALP now included those who supported Palestinians not for ideological reasons but because of the increased number of Arab voters in their electorates.
In a commentary written for The Australian Jewish News, Mr Cohen said his life and character were shaped by the anti-semitism he experienced in his youth.
"I was proud to belong to a party [the ALP] that fought all forms of prejudice. Not any longer," he wrote.
Mr Cohen wrote of a conversation he said he'd had with an unidentified but prominent ALP figure.
"I told a Labor legend: 'Anti-semitism is now rampant in the Labor Party.' I expected a vigorous denial. His response confirmed my worst fear: 'I know,' he said."
loks as if the girly girls are replacing the girly men.
Now can that be bad?
the king of cut and paste is nothing but a cut and paster
Posted by: timblairisawanker at October 22, 2004 at 03:43 PMThanks Tim. Unlike the above respondent, I am not a reader of the SMH (a small mercy), so I appreciate such clips being provided.
Posted by: Andrew at October 22, 2004 at 03:46 PMto be pedantic, my own headline is slightly inaccurate in its word order -
The 7:30 Report transcript of his interview shows that Latham said "young progressive women", and then "talented young women" twice in the next two sentences.
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2004/s1224324.htm
though with it being the ALP, I suppose there might be two factions - the "young progressive women" versus the "progressive young women."
Posted by: Ben P at October 22, 2004 at 03:58 PMDoes anyone else get the feeling that the ALP has already conceded the 2007 election?
Posted by: Clem Snide at October 22, 2004 at 04:07 PMMaybe he should have asked Paul Keating who would have yelled his memorable line of: "How dare you even suggest that ther would be racism in the Labour Party!!"
Posted by: HippyHunter at October 22, 2004 at 04:14 PMMark Latham is setting up the party with "50 ways to loose your election".
Posted by: JBB at October 22, 2004 at 04:15 PM"though with it being the ALP, I suppose there might be two factions - the "young progressive women" versus the "progressive young women."
No, you've got it confused: It's the "young progressive women" versus the "old aggressive ones"!
JPB
Posted by: JPB at October 22, 2004 at 05:06 PMnot to mention the "passive-aggressive women" faction, which usually gets its own way
Posted by: Ben P at October 22, 2004 at 05:18 PMMany of the Sydney ALP MPs owe their
endorsement to branch stacking which is
often performed by people of Middle
Eastern ethnicity. I believe Keating was
aware of this problem but couldn't do much
about it. I think some of the anti-semitism
on display from the ALP is payback to their
branch stacked supporters. There was a debate
on this in Federal parliament about 2 years
ago, I printed out the relevant Hansard pages
long long ago.
As long as Michael Danby is still Party Whip, there is some hope for the ALP on the matter of Israel.
Posted by: Quentin George at October 22, 2004 at 05:39 PMExcellent news there Tim...... I was very concerned that the ALP would discard the theory that their recent electoral defeat was due to message delivery and not the message.
So the women now on the ALP's front bench..... are they Mark's Babes or Mark's Mummies ??
Posted by: Shaun Bourke at October 22, 2004 at 05:45 PMShame antisemetism is raising its head again in the labor ranks.
Perhaps that says more about the current state of the party than anything.
Right wingers used to holler " Jews to Israel".
Now the left wing hollers " Jews out of Israel".
We RWDBs should be applauding ALP meltdowns.
You see, each time it has happened, it has reinvigorated the conservative side of politics.
1st split: WWI, conscription. ALP dissidents cross the floor to join with Liberal Opposition to form the Nationalist Party. Result: ALP in opposition until 1929
2nd split: Depression. ALP splits over which economic policy to take. ALP dissidents cross the floor to join with Nationalist opposition to form the UAP. Result: ALP out of power until half way through WWII.
3rd split: Over the issue of communism. DLP preferences keep Labor out of power until the 70s.
Posted by: Quentin George at October 22, 2004 at 05:51 PMAll the issues that make Labor unelectable have traditionally been hushed up.ML is intent on parading these things as a badge of honor.This progressive Emily list crap is just the latest of Latham's truth in opposition policy.Long may it continue.
Posted by: gubbaboy at October 22, 2004 at 06:09 PMI agree with Quentin George, the collapse of Labor which will continue apace means nothing but good for Australia and conservatism in general, we need a couple of decent Coalition premiers though, I think in WA, NT, TAS maybe NSW at least .
Latham will destroy the ALP if he's not leader he'll undermine it, if he is leader he'll destroy it with his madness.
Bush will win in the US as well, he is surging to victory winning all of the blue Dem states, Kerry is collapsing into the abyss, only a week more of this dead head moron. Bush will be taking oath of President in January 2005 after one of the biggest election landslides in US presidential history. The Democratic party are finished in the US as well.
Posted by: KLEIN at October 22, 2004 at 06:10 PMSent this to 60 minutes following another very partisan report on Israel
I am not a Jew, but cannot allow another of Richard Carleton’s biased and partisan reports on Israel to pass without comment, and in particular with regard to the security wall. He attempted to give the appearance of balance, but it was very inadequate and quite transparent.
His very demeanour, facial expressions and commentary appeared illuminated with extreme anti- Semitism, and yes, hatred was in his eyes. He did a grave disservice to the intelligence of his viewing audience.
With a rising tide of anti-Semitism throughout Europe, spawned by Islamo-fascists and extreme left wing ideologues, whose interests will not be served by a two States solution, this sort of reporting is not only mischievous but dangerous
The Jews have made concession after concession after concession to the Palestinians outrageous demands. Arafat has reneged each and every time, why? Because he has vowed to kill all the Jews drive them into the sea, his desire is to have the whole of Israel and Palestine under his personal control and that of his corrupt and evil regime. What he states in English to the Western Press is not in context that which he speaks in Arabic, to the Palestinian people, ‘Arab street’ and to Al Jazeera.
Whilst he maintains the status quo, Arafat and he PA are in receipt of billions of dollars of aid from the USA and the EU, Saudi Arabia Russia, China and Iran, none of which reaches the suffering populace. Arafat collects commission on virtually all goods and products entering the area under his control, meanwhile his wife Sufa, and their daughter live in ostentatious extravagance in Paris. If a State comes into being, he would lose all this, his personal ‘cash cow’, his power base and his life at risk, for this reason alone he is content to beggar the people of‘’ Palestine’ and keep them enslaved.
ALL deaths sustained by the ‘Palestinians’ are as a direct consequence of Arafat’s murderous regime, not one death would have occurred at the hand of Israel had the Arabs not deliberately slaughtered innocent Israelis, who ask only the right to live in peace.
Richard Carleton referred to the girl age thirteen who was shot by the Israeli Captain, an act the Israeli’s take very seriously indeed and will be investigated thoroughly. We could wish the same of the Palestinian thugs who think nothing of butchering a young pregnant mother and her four little daughters or babes in kindergarten or in their own beds at night, you know the sort of thing, newsworthy for five minutes then forgotten, but no doubt like Abu Ghraib, this will be pursued ad nauseum.
Israel gave up Sinai and her oil wells to Egypt as part of the ‘Oslo Peace Agreement’ and what did they receive for their sacrifice? further death and destruction. They are entitled to retain all lands seized in Gaza and the West Bank under the International Rules of War and engagement.
When any foreign power initiates an act of aggression against a Sovereign State and subsequently is defeated, the country which has been subject to such attack, without any provocation, is entitled under International Law lay to claim any land acquired in the wake of the aggressors defeat. This territory may legally be retained by Israel, until such time an agreement and settlement is reached and signed into being. Arafat seeks to avoid any form of compromise and remains intransigent, despite being offered 99% of all he has demanded he walks away on every occasion.
The Palestinians use every ruse possible to create mayhem and death and they need look no further than their own evil leader and his gangster thugs to thank for the wall/fence. Can anyone truly imagine, that if we were to face on daily basis what Israel has had to endure, that we would have shown the restraint that Israel has always shown?
Mr Howard has rightly stated that we would go after anyone who seeks to terrorise and threaten Australian citizens and in a pre-emptive strike if all else failed.
The wall has saved many, many lives so far. Israel has stated that when the PA stops the murders the wall will be torn down.
The ball is in Arafat’s court.
The Jews have never abused the hospitality of ANY country in which they have sought refuge, they do not exploit the taxpayers by being consumers of social welfare, they are industrious, very hard working, create businesses and employment for others regardless of colour race or creed, many are great Philanthropists and many a hospital, school, and university are the grateful recipients of their munificence
They are law abiding, respectful of society, they teach their children to honour and accept the laws of their adoptive country. In their schools they educate and encourage their children to attain the highest standards and to develop a strong sense of service to the community. They do not have their religious, the Rabbis, teaching students to hate all who are not of their faith, nor incite them to disrupt and kill, despise and consider all other unclean.
I am left to ponder, why so many who have little belief in any faith of their own, can find it in their hearts to despise a people who have never in history done them any harm?
In the 21st century, we just cannot continue to allow the blame for Christ’s death, for all eternity, to reside with the Jews.
Jesus was a Jew, a radical thinker who incurred the wrath of a few corrupt priests and officials who sought support from the Romans to remove this ‘nuisance,’ the ordinary citizens no more sought his death than we would today. It was politics, at its most venal. At that time in history most of our Western antecedents were tribal barbarians, pagans, garbed in wolf skins butchering all and sundry. The Jews by contrast, were monotheistic had a highly developed society and system of law of developed over 3000 years, at the time of Christ.
I would ask people to consider what other group or communities have contributed so much to the betterment of any society wherein they have sought refuge? In the realms of education, science, medicine, music, art, comedy, literature, theatre and film as a group they have no equal.
It is with urgency, I ask each to examine their conscience, and not allow this rising tide of anti –Semitism to get a foothold in this great country. Too many turned their heads, eyes, ears ignoring the warning signs prior to WW2. We must NEVER let that happen again.
The Jews have never asked for special privileges, they adapt and blend within the society they domicile and are an asset to the betterment of us all.
There are many who have a vested interest and agenda in trying to focus blame for their own inadequacies, lack of success, power or perceived victim status onto to the shoulders of others and the Jews in particular. They have served as society’s ‘whipping boy’ for long enough.
If there is no Israel, where can the Jews go next for refuge? And if Israel and the Jews are destroyed, ask, who will replace them as the recipient of the venom and hatred of the frustrated and malcontent.
Israel is our ‘canary in the mine’ she has the knowledge, the language and the ability to infiltrate as do few others, the’ rogue’ states that would do us harm- she is at the battle front and we must support this noble country, whose citizens are amongst the bravest on earth.
ONLY in Israel can an Arab or Muslim vote, sit it parliament and receive justice. Israel pays millions of dollars US each year to the PA, Palestinian injured and sick beg to be admitted to Israeli hospitals where they are treated according to urgency, not race or creed, even when those who are severely wounded incurred those injuries whilst attacking and fighting the Israelis. How many others could trust their enemy not to do them harm when in a comparable situation. If the situation were reversed the Israeli injured would be dragged from their sick beds and torn to pieces whilst the onlookers danced and ululated.
The Israelis return the bodies of all Palestinians killed in battle to the families for burial, the Palestinians however steal the bodies of dead Israelis, mutilate and desecrate their remains and refuse to return the corpse for ritual burial thus enhancing the anguish of the bereaving families.
We keep hearing about ‘Right of return’ most of the ‘so called Palestinians’ are Egyptians, as is Arafat, Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese and Arabs whose former countries refuse to let them return and resettle. What is little commented on, is the 900,000 plus Jews from the Diaspora, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Arabia Lebanon who were forced from their homes and businesses, taking only what was on their backs and what they were able to carry in their hands and sometimes not even that. This does not include the thousands of dispossessed Christians, Zoastrians and Suffis that little Israel has also absorbed from these self same Arab countries, people the Arabs, neither acknowledge nor want, but to whom was also home from the dawn of time. All the dispossessed from Arab /Muslim controlled lands, were deprived of their all, not solely in material assets, homes, businesses, bank accounts, many had their identity stolen with the confiscation of passports and birth certificates, their whole life’s work misappropriated /stolen by the voracious Arab, but, their cultural heritage obliterated in their wake. No reparation has been offered nor ever will be, but the Arabs demand this of Israel..
Twenty years ago Bethlehem was 80% Christian now it is 80% Arab Muslim
Certain other groups enter our shores by illegal and devious means, then seek to have special privileges, social security and free housing as well as claiming special rights under our laws, then presume to abuse the very people who gave them succour and opportunities. They do not assimilate nor intend to, rather they would seek to burden and have us submit to the very regimes they escaped from.
They are racist and self centred- this can never be said of our Jews most who now have been here for several generations.
For the past three years since 9/11, freed from the burden of paid employment, I sought to increase my knowledge of Islam, the Middle East and Israel. At first it was in part, a seeking to understand Islam and Muslims for whom I felt genuine concern, fearing a hate campaign against those who had no part or connection to Islamic terrorism.
I spend many hours each week reading books on Islam and searching the internet, which provides much knowledge that would take many years to research in a library.
What I have learned has made me a committed supporter of Israel any who value freedom will support her also.
In every society there are those who will never be content for whatever reason, and rather than work to enhance society, seek to destroy the fabric of the existing one, to replace it with some mystical utopian socialist paradise
They ignore the realities of the totalitarian states that saw millions tortured, starved and killed in the ‘great’ experiment to build a socialist utopia.
Palestine is run by such a man, no Muslim Arafat, rather a fanatic who learned his role at the knee of his fascist Uncle- who was Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during WW2, a staunch admirer of Hitler who shared Hitler’s dream to destroy all Jewry worldwide.
We should never ally ourselves to such a man or such a brutal and devilish regime- we do so at our peril. Deceit, lies and broken agreements are to him and his follower’s considered a code of honour.
“60 Minutes’ to its credit has been responsible for some wonderful reporting and stories over the years, but its moral equivalence with regard to the Israel/Palestine conflict leaves one with no option but to draw the conclusion that they would rather promulgate a lie than lose access to the PA which would be the case if they showed some integrity, reported with honesty what is really is occurring under Arafat’s leadership to the benighted Palestinians and ceased peddling what the PA propaganda machine directs.
If the media wish to aid the Palestinian cause, they should use their knowledge and talents to report the truth. The public needs to learn of the corruption within Arafat’s fiefdom and the complicity of that other corrupt body the UN.
All governments should cease all funding to the PA forthwith, financial aid is appeasement, it serves only to swell the pockets of Arafat and his henchmen and enables the purchase of sophisticated armaments and of suicide bombers to murder even more innocents within Israel, nothing to ease the suffering people under the control of their
Israel, the ONLY democracy in the Middle East who is not even allowed a seat at the UN, who is constantly accused of atrocities, though its defence forces are careful in the extreme, of where and whom they target and always in direct response to an outrage on their civilian population.
Yet the amount of print, film and recording, denigrating and decrying Israel is in stark contrast to the deafening silence and absence of comment on the corruption endemic within the UN, the role of Sudan sitting on the Human Rights commission whilst allowing the ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Darfur, Husseins brutality and Chinas treatment of Tibet to name but a few.
In conclusion, the viewing audience is becoming increasingly informed and demands much more of the MSM than the selective pastiche that passes for information and trusted in the past. If the Media wishes to remain relevant in the future it has to lift its game and treat its audience as intelligent beings, a lesson that should have been learnt from CBS and Dan Rather’s “60 Minutes” with regard to the fraudulent ‘Bush Memos.’
Rosemary Blackett
I am not a Jew, but cannot allow another of Richard Carleton’s biased and partisan reports on Israel to pass without comment, and in particular with regard to the security wall. He attempted to give the appearance of balance, but it was very inadequate and quite transparent.
His very demeanour, facial expressions and commentary appeared illuminated with extreme anti- Semitism, and yes, hatred was in his eyes. He did a grave disservice to the intelligence of his viewing audience.
With a rising tide of anti-Semitism throughout Europe, spawned by Islamo-fascists and extreme left wing ideologues, whose interests will not be served by a two States solution, this sort of reporting is not only mischievous but dangerous
The Jews have made concession after concession after concession to the Palestinians outrageous demands. Arafat has reneged each and every time, why? Because he has vowed to kill all the Jews drive them into the sea, his desire is to have the whole of Israel and Palestine under his personal control and that of his corrupt and evil regime. What he states in English to the Western Press is not in context that which he speaks in Arabic, to the Palestinian people, ‘Arab street’ and to Al Jazeera.
Whilst he maintains the status quo, Arafat and he PA are in receipt of billions of dollars of aid from the USA and the EU, Saudi Arabia Russia, China and Iran, none of which reaches the suffering populace. Arafat collects commission on virtually all goods and products entering the area under his control, meanwhile his wife Sufa, and their daughter live in ostentatious extravagance in Paris. If a State comes into being, he would lose all this, his personal ‘cash cow’, his power base and his life at risk, for this reason alone he is content to beggar the people of‘’ Palestine’ and keep them enslaved.
ALL deaths sustained by the ‘Palestinians’ are as a direct consequence of Arafat’s murderous regime, not one death would have occurred at the hand of Israel had the Arabs not deliberately slaughtered innocent Israelis, who ask only the right to live in peace.
Richard Carleton referred to the girl age thirteen who was shot by the Israeli Captain, an act the Israeli’s take very seriously indeed and will be investigated thoroughly. We could wish the same of the Palestinian thugs who think nothing of butchering a young pregnant mother and her four little daughters or babes in kindergarten or in their own beds at night, you know the sort of thing, newsworthy for five minutes then forgotten, but no doubt like Abu Ghraib, this will be pursued ad nauseum.
Israel gave up Sinai and her oil wells to Egypt as part of the ‘Oslo Peace Agreement’ and what did they receive for their sacrifice? further death and destruction. They are entitled to retain all lands seized in Gaza and the West Bank under the International Rules of War and engagement.
When any foreign power initiates an act of aggression against a Sovereign State and subsequently is defeated, the country which has been subject to such attack, without any provocation, is entitled under International Law lay to claim any land acquired in the wake of the aggressors defeat. This territory may legally be retained by Israel, until such time an agreement and settlement is reached and signed into being. Arafat seeks to avoid any form of compromise and remains intransigent, despite being offered 99% of all he has demanded he walks away on every occasion.
The Palestinians use every ruse possible to create mayhem and death and they need look no further than their own evil leader and his gangster thugs to thank for the wall/fence. Can anyone truly imagine, that if we were to face on daily basis what Israel has had to endure, that we would have shown the restraint that Israel has always shown?
Mr Howard has rightly stated that we would go after anyone who seeks to terrorise and threaten Australian citizens and in a pre-emptive strike if all else failed.
The wall has saved many, many lives so far. Israel has stated that when the PA stops the murders the wall will be torn down.
The ball is in Arafat’s court.
The Jews have never abused the hospitality of ANY country in which they have sought refuge, they do not exploit the taxpayers by being consumers of social welfare, they are industrious, very hard working, create businesses and employment for others regardless of colour race or creed, many are great Philanthropists and many a hospital, school, and university are the grateful recipients of their munificence
They are law abiding, respectful of society, they teach their children to honour and accept the laws of their adoptive country. In their schools they educate and encourage their children to attain the highest standards and to develop a strong sense of service to the community. They do not have their religious, the Rabbis, teaching students to hate all who are not of their faith, nor incite them to disrupt and kill, despise and consider all other unclean.
I am left to ponder, why so many who have little belief in any faith of their own, can find it in their hearts to despise a people who have never in history done them any harm?
In the 21st century, we just cannot continue to allow the blame for Christ’s death, for all eternity, to reside with the Jews.
Jesus was a Jew, a radical thinker who incurred the wrath of a few corrupt priests and officials who sought support from the Romans to remove this ‘nuisance,’ the ordinary citizens no more sought his death than we would today. It was politics, at its most venal. At that time in history most of our Western antecedents were tribal barbarians, pagans, garbed in wolf skins butchering all and sundry. The Jews by contrast, were monotheistic had a highly developed society and system of law of developed over 3000 years, at the time of Christ.
I would ask people to consider what other group or communities have contributed so much to the betterment of any society wherein they have sought refuge? In the realms of education, science, medicine, music, art, comedy, literature, theatre and film as a group they have no equal.
It is with urgency, I ask each to examine their conscience, and not allow this rising tide of anti –Semitism to get a foothold in this great country. Too many turned their heads, eyes, ears ignoring the warning signs prior to WW2. We must NEVER let that happen again.
The Jews have never asked for special privileges, they adapt and blend within the society they domicile and are an asset to the betterment of us all.
There are many who have a vested interest and agenda in trying to focus blame for their own inadequacies, lack of success, power or perceived victim status onto to the shoulders of others and the Jews in particular. They have served as society’s ‘whipping boy’ for long enough.
If there is no Israel, where can the Jews go next for refuge? And if Israel and the Jews are destroyed, ask, who will replace them as the recipient of the venom and hatred of the frustrated and malcontent.
Israel is our ‘canary in the mine’ she has the knowledge, the language and the ability to infiltrate as do few others, the’ rogue’ states that would do us harm- she is at the battle front and we must support this noble country, whose citizens are amongst the bravest on earth.
ONLY in Israel can an Arab or Muslim vote, sit it parliament and receive justice. Israel pays millions of dollars US each year to the PA, Palestinian injured and sick beg to be admitted to Israeli hospitals where they are treated according to urgency, not race or creed, even when those who are severely wounded incurred those injuries whilst attacking and fighting the Israelis. How many others could trust their enemy not to do them harm when in a comparable situation. If the situation were reversed the Israeli injured would be dragged from their sick beds and torn to pieces whilst the onlookers danced and ululated.
The Israelis return the bodies of all Palestinians killed in battle to the families for burial, the Palestinians however steal the bodies of dead Israelis, mutilate and desecrate their remains and refuse to return the corpse for ritual burial thus enhancing the anguish of the bereaving families.
We keep hearing about ‘Right of return’ most of the ‘so called Palestinians’ are Egyptians, as is Arafat, Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese and Arabs whose former countries refuse to let them return and resettle. What is little commented on, is the 900,000 plus Jews from the Diaspora, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Arabia Lebanon who were forced from their homes and businesses, taking only what was on their backs and what they were able to carry in their hands and sometimes not even that. This does not include the thousands of dispossessed Christians, Zoastrians and Suffis that little Israel has also absorbed from these self same Arab countries, people the Arabs, neither acknowledge nor want, but to whom was also home from the dawn of time. All the dispossessed from Arab /Muslim controlled lands, were deprived of their all, not solely in material assets, homes, businesses, bank accounts, many had their identity stolen with the confiscation of passports and birth certificates, their whole life’s work misappropriated /stolen by the voracious Arab, but, their cultural heritage obliterated in their wake. No reparation has been offered nor ever will be, but the Arabs demand this of Israel..
Twenty years ago Bethlehem was 80% Christian now it is 80% Arab Muslim
Certain other groups enter our shores by illegal and devious means, then seek to have special privileges, social security and free housing as well as claiming special rights under our laws, then presume to abuse the very people who gave them succour and opportunities. They do not assimilate nor intend to, rather they would seek to burden and have us submit to the very regimes they escaped from.
They are racist and self centred- this can never be said of our Jews most who now have been here for several generations.
For the past three years since 9/11, freed from the burden of paid employment, I sought to increase my knowledge of Islam, the Middle East and Israel. At first it was in part, a seeking to understand Islam and Muslims for whom I felt genuine concern, fearing a hate campaign against those who had no part or connection to Islamic terrorism.
I spend many hours each week reading books on Islam and searching the internet, which provides much knowledge that would take many years to research in a library.
What I have learned has made me a committed supporter of Israel any who value freedom will support her also.
In every society there are those who will never be content for whatever reason, and rather than work to enhance society, seek to destroy the fabric of the existing one, to replace it with some mystical utopian socialist paradise
They ignore the realities of the totalitarian states that saw millions tortured, starved and killed in the ‘great’ experiment to build a socialist utopia.
Palestine is run by such a man, no Muslim Arafat, rather a fanatic who learned his role at the knee of his fascist Uncle- who was Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during WW2, a staunch admirer of Hitler who shared Hitler’s dream to destroy all Jewry worldwide.
We should never ally ourselves to such a man or such a brutal and devilish regime- we do so at our peril. Deceit, lies and broken agreements are to him and his follower’s considered a code of honour.
“60 Minutes’ to its credit has been responsible for some wonderful reporting and stories over the years, but its moral equivalence with regard to the Israel/Palestine conflict leaves one with no option but to draw the conclusion that they would rather promulgate a lie than lose access to the PA which would be the case if they showed some integrity, reported with honesty what is really is occurring under Arafat’s leadership to the benighted Palestinians and ceased peddling what the PA propaganda machine directs.
If the media wish to aid the Palestinian cause, they should use their knowledge and talents to report the truth. The public needs to learn of the corruption within Arafat’s fiefdom and the complicity of that other corrupt body the UN.
All governments should cease all funding to the PA forthwith, financial aid is appeasement, it serves only to swell the pockets of Arafat and his henchmen and enables the purchase of sophisticated armaments and of suicide bombers to murder even more innocents within Israel, nothing to ease the suffering people under the control of their
Israel, the ONLY democracy in the Middle East who is not even allowed a seat at the UN, who is constantly accused of atrocities, though its defence forces are careful in the extreme, of where and whom they target and always in direct response to an outrage on their civilian population.
Yet the amount of print, film and recording, denigrating and decrying Israel is in stark contrast to the deafening silence and absence of comment on the corruption endemic within the UN, the role of Sudan sitting on the Human Rights commission whilst allowing the ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Darfur, Husseins brutality and Chinas treatment of Tibet to name but a few.
In conclusion, the viewing audience is becoming increasingly informed and demands much more of the MSM than the selective pastiche that passes for information and trusted in the past. If the Media wishes to remain relevant in the future it has to lift its game and treat its audience as intelligent beings, a lesson that should have been learnt from CBS and Dan Rather’s “60 Minutes” with regard to the fraudulent ‘Bush Memos.’
Posted by: Rose at October 22, 2004 at 06:57 PMUh oh...you're going to get in trouble for such a big post...
Posted by: Quentin George at October 22, 2004 at 07:01 PMIsn't "young progressive women" code for "feminists", a word that goes down like a lead balloon in mainstream Australia?
Posted by: Romeo at October 22, 2004 at 07:15 PMThe letter is much appreciated Rose.
I dont mean to be an picky or rude or anything but there is something I have to point out ot you.
IT IS NOT A WALL. Over 90% of it is FENCE. The term 'Wall' or 'Apartheid Wall' is simply very succesfull anti-Israel propaganda designed to conjure up images of the Berlin Wall. The fact that even pro-Israel folks, like yourself, call it the 'Wall'is proof of just how succeslful the lie has become.
I'm not having a go at you I just thought you should know. That goes for the rest of you too, fight back the propaganda DONT CALL IT A WALL!
Posted by: Troy at October 22, 2004 at 07:27 PMThat was a long post Rose, very long, and in principle I agree with you.
Scratch them enough and the ALP (and the Greens) are 100% anti Jewish, to their enduring discredit. This is why they will continue to be failures.
Posted by: rog at October 22, 2004 at 07:38 PMThe more I think about Mark Latham, the more I come to agree with the commenters on Chris Shill's blog - this man is a saint. Can you imagine waiting so long in Opposition, only to throw away your chance at being Prime Minister, all for the cause of prolonging Coalition rule?
One can only applaud the appointment of Gillard, Macklin, George, Plibersek et al to prominent front bench posts, with the mouth-watering prospect of the equally progressive, competent and gorgeous Peter Garrett joining the team. This is the sort of self-sacrifice which would do our Gallipoli veterans proud. I hope Iron Mark takes this self-sacrifice further and branch-stacks a safe seat for Pat O'Shane, so she can become shadow Attorney General. Maybe Kerry Nettles can be lured into the labour fold to be Shadow Primary Industries Minister. Sally Robbins could be Sports Minister. And surely any Progressive Women's front bench would be incomplete without Margo Kingston as Communications Minister - a worthy successor to Richard Alston if ever there was one. Of course a few token men could be brought in to the party to assist them - e.g. John Pilger as Foreign Minister, Bilal Skaif as Multicultural Affairs Spokesmen, Richard Neville as Defence Minister - but Mark Latham has carefully pieced together the perfect team to keep the coalition in government for at least the next 20 years.
Posted by: Clem Snide at October 22, 2004 at 08:15 PMRose
Arafat is not the only one who misleads the left into believibg that a "two state solution" is possible.
Anyone with smatterings of knowledge of ISlam knows that no autonmous NON ISLAMIC state is permitted to exist within Dar Al Islam.
therefore israel is a blasphemy against the prophet and cannot be allowed to exist.
END OF STORY.
All those who strove for autonomy in the Middle east such as the Maronites have been virtually wiped out.
The Iraqi christians tolerated as a dhimmy minority
The coptic Christians persecuted in Egypt and a fraction of their past numbers.
The Chaldeans , Armenian Christians, Assyrian Christians ..... all have been virtually obliterated by the onslaught of islam.
Israel is THE LAST MAN STANDING.
Do not worry about the CArleton,s or the foolishness of SBS abd ABC journalists. Their subterfuges are plainly visible to all their viewers, now that the truth of Islamic jihad is plain for all westerners to see.
They know that Israel is Facing this Jihad like hte rest of the world.
The corrupt agendas of these journalists speak for themselves every time they appear on the public funded TV stations.
Mantinkus is just the latest to be exposed and exposes to all australians the corrupt recruiting policies of the SBS and the ABC.
I too am not Jewish but in moments like this o feel strong solidarity and wish i were!
I agree with your letter to 60m, Rose, but Richard Carleton's face shows hatred and contempt for just about everyone he covers. He's surely the original misanthrope. I remember an interview with some Islamic figure about the Salman Rushdie fatwa. So full of scorn and contempt I was sure they would knife him. That was a decade ago. Nowadays maybe they would. Perhaps that's why he chose to exercise his withering scorn on a politically 'safe' subject like this, unfortunately.
The 'Labour Legend' was Bob Hawke I bet. He's so pro-Israel some think he must be a Jew, as if non-Jews were not also inspired by the rise of modern Israel.
I'll never support ALP again, but that they are able to have such a debate is a great credit to them, considering the state of the Left worldwide. Warms my heart. Could the British Left have a debate about rising anti-Semitism now? It would be howled down by the Islamophiles.
Australians are Benedictines, holding on to precious traditions while the world sinks into barbarism. Kiwis too, who else could have produced a Lord of the Rings so faithfully, without bending to PC fads?
Posted by: Bruce at October 22, 2004 at 09:00 PMCould the British Left have a debate about rising anti-Semitism now? It would be howled down by the Islamophiles.
Point taken and therien lies the difference between the political demographics of OZ and GB.
Davo-
'I too am not Jewish' - umm, Stein, Berg...?
The conspiracy believers will have quiet giggle at that.
Myself, I'm mostly Scottish and Irish, but I found a possible Jewish ancestor when I investigated. Always felt closer to Jewish friends, yet not remotely attracted to the religion, prefer Jesuitical Catholics (uh oh!)
Well maybe Israel sympathy does run in the blood, eh? Whatever.
Posted by: Bruce at October 22, 2004 at 09:12 PMThis morning's headline, 'Latham saves Crean's Front Bench Career'. What by offering him a seat?
Latham: The Kiss of Death.
Does anyone else get the feeling that we are witnessing the end of the ALP?
I predict it will take just a year for Latham to destroy the Party of Chifley and Curtin. Only warring fragments will remain for a generation (Latham's).
Posted by: Bruce at October 22, 2004 at 09:28 PMIs it me or is Tanya Plibersek a total lightweight, will she be minister for the bleeding hearts.
Every time she is in the media, she is whining about something.
I agree Bruce, they seem to be in a tailspin and it remains to be seen whether they can pull out of it, there seems to be a total lack of acceptance of what has happened and peoples role in it.
The left just can't see that their moral vanity just doesn't wash with the punters, until they accept this fact, they are in a world of hurt.
Posted by: Nuffy at October 22, 2004 at 09:45 PMyes bruce
I discovered I as not jewish since my mother was an australian anglican who died when i was a child.
but as you sarcastically inferred, i was subject to much antisemetism at school in paris , EVEN THOUGH I DID REALISE I WAS NOT JEWISH until later.
As a result of this racism i understood well the meaning of SOLIDARITY with a persecuted people.
Nuffy,
I live in Tanya Pilbersek's seat and received her election material in my letterbox. Here are the topics in which she urged me to vote for her:
"John Howard's war on Iraq"
"Labor's tax cuts" - generalities about reducing spending etc yet no details supplied
"41 Labor MPs challenge Bush"
"Labor's Plan to Save Our Envionment" - fragile coast, water policy, plastic bags, Kyoto, Murray River, landclearing, World Heritage sites.
Helpful weblinks to Greenpeace, Aust Conservation Foundation, Greenhouse Office.
I was given no clear differentiation between her and the Greens. I know I live in a yuppie-Green-left area of Sydney and that she had to pander to her loyal constituency, yet for me it reinforced the chasm between the Labor to which my working-class shop-steward grandfather belonged and the values I was ingrained with over decades, and the Labor I dismally rejected ten years ago as the New Fops.
Posted by: Romeo at October 22, 2004 at 10:44 PMI've always wondered why authoritarian types are so obsessed about Israel. It's not like the IDF is going to load up and invade Perth anytime soon, or blow up busses in Melbourne.
Of course, I am granting a smidgen of rational thought to them.
Posted by: Mikey at October 22, 2004 at 11:14 PMDavo,
You have my full sympathy and I wasn't being sarcastic. No I was trying to suggest links between us in a friendly way.
But perhaps my style is hard to follow, and I understand you more fully now. Sorry for any misunderstanding!
Posted by: Bruce at October 22, 2004 at 11:18 PMNuffy,
The denial is the thing that's got me. This is Tampa all over again only this time it's the "interest rate scare campaign". Until they come to terms with the fact that Aussies are just not interested in socialism, they are doomed to failure.
Romeo,
Their similarity(and suckholing) to the greens has been a real turn off for the traditional Labor voter. I know people who have been lifelong Labor voters who just can't do it any more. The greens are so anti everything that they give sane people a big dose of the shits. The greens are a kiss of death!
I started life as a Labor voter but Bob Hawke f**ked it for me. Keating made it permanent. A party can represent the "common worker" without being marxist. This is what they need to learn before they will be trusted with power again. Until then... Go Johnny Go!
Posted by: Gibbo at October 22, 2004 at 11:19 PMGuys.
Anyone want to discuss odds on Latham wrecking the ALP within a year?
I predict it will split and some will leave altogether.
Posted by: Bruce at October 22, 2004 at 11:21 PMI predict a 3-way split:
1) Old ALP (unions) versus
2) Young-(Latham)-Turks versus
3) those concerned with rising antisemitism or with growing anti-religious stance (leave altogether or defect)...
Posted by: Bruce at October 22, 2004 at 11:27 PMSorry for the misunderstanding Bruce!
When i was young, one could be proud of being a socialist. In those days it meant humanity,caring and respect and a host of other good things.
What happened? how was it hijacked and turned into foolishness and prejudice?
If labor is dying, it is surely self inflicted,he culmination of a process that has eaten away for years.
Even the american Jews, always staunch democrats are realising that the old socialism is dead and are turning to the republicans in droves.
Yes Davo, socialism did seem a better, sympathetic humanitarian way in our day. I think though that no one understood its consequences, which we see being reaped in part today; many competing interests trying to be the alpha-victim or cause-du-jour, personal responsibility abrogated.
Perhaps socialism is a pandora's box which seems utopian in theory, but doesn't address the diversity of ideas and demands of human nature.
In 'our day' we were comparatively naive and well-meaning compared to today's open information society.
"Is it me or is Tanya Plibersek a total lightweight, will she be minister for the bleeding hearts"
I live in the area. Tanya Plibersek loves the Kings Cross heroin injecting centre and praises it all the time. Latham on the other hand has come out against it.
She is a god damned weeping bleeding jerk. She is so roughshe should wear a jock strap.
Posted by: Clover at October 23, 2004 at 12:54 AMHere's one rather nutty Australian Muslim who doesn't appreciate the fact he's being pandered to. Commenting on the same article he later gave this explanation for why Anti-Semitism is so un-PC:
http://forums.muslimvillage.net/index.php?showtopic=8232
"....The freemasonic consitutions (let is be known to everyone that the french revolution was orcehstrated by the masons and its those same freemasons who were the fathers of those constitutions which protected them from being punished for all those killings of those rulings kings they've done ) will be used to protect their natural zionist ally from whatever atrocities they commite."
Ohh and Rose, I believe it was President Nasser who came up with the catchphrase "Drive them into the sea!"
"Perhaps socialism is a pandora's box which seems utopian in theory, but doesn't address the diversity of ideas and demands of human nature."
Bingo.
"50 ways to lose your election".
Just piss of the yobs, Rob,
Ease the Squeeze, Louise,
Start talkin' like Puce, Bruce,
And you'll get your ass kicked.
Romeo, one group of Socialists found a way to reconcile socialist theory with the real world.
They were called the Khmer Rouge.
Posted by: Sheriff at October 23, 2004 at 02:12 AMYes Sherrif, that's the end result of socialism. If given power, the sanctimonious self-righteous force it onto the innocent unwilling for 'their own good' because naturally, the left knows better than the mere populace.
Posted by: Romeo at October 23, 2004 at 02:25 AMEqual outcomes and human nature are incompatible. Couple that with the elitist nature of the nitwits that push this kind of stuff and you have a recipe for disaster.
Posted by: YoJImbo at October 23, 2004 at 02:48 AMAussie Jim,
--Ohh and Rose, I believe it was President Nasser who came up with the catchphrase "Drive them into the sea!"---
I believe that was the catch cry during the 1948 war, well before Nasser. Maybe Nasser was just the first one to have the chutzpah to say it at the UN!
Bruce,
I think the union faction would be the biggest. 29 of the current Labor MP's are ex-union officials.
Group 3 would be pretty small I'm afraid- Michael Danby, maybe Beazley. Who else?
makes me wonder why Ausssie Jews still vote more Labor than Lib (and American Jews vote Dem). I think a lot of it is just plain denial.
Posted by: Troy at October 23, 2004 at 02:57 AM
Aussie_Jim,
I thought it was Hafez Assad, as Syrian defense minister, in 1966 who coined the catchphrase when he said (although he might have been quoting an earlier Nasser rant):
"We shall never call for nor accept peace. We shall only accept war. We have resolved to drench this land with your [Israel's] blood, to oust you as aggressor, to throw you into the sea."
-- Hafez Assad, then-Syrian Defense Minister, May 24, 1966, who later became Syria's president
Nasser said:
"I announce from here, on behalf of the United Arab Republic people, that this time we will exterminate Israel."
-- President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, speech in Alexandria, July 26, 1959
Other famous quotes:
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the
Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."
-- Arab League Secretary General Azzam Pasha, May 15, 1948, the day five Arab armies
invaded the new state of Israel, one day after the nation declared its independence
"The Arab nations should sacrifice up to 10 million of their 50 million people, if necessary, to wipe
out Israel ... Israel to the Arab world is like a cancer to the human body, and the only way of remedy is
to uproot it, just like a cancer."
-- Saud ibn Abdul Aziz, King of Saudi Arabia, Associated Press, Jan. 9, 1954
"The battle with Israel must be such that, after it, Israel will cease to exist."
-- Libyan President Mohammar Qadaffi, al-Usbu al-Arrabi (Beirut) quoted by Algiers
Radio, Nov. 12, 1973
"We will enter Jerusalem victoriously and raise our flag on its walls ... We will fight you [the
Israelis] with stones, rifles, and 'El-Abed' [the Iraqi missile]..."
--Yasser Arafat, reported by the Associated Press, March 29, 1990, at the start of the Gulf
War
"The hands of the U.S. are fully stained with the blood of the Palestinians. There is only one possible
solution to unrest in the Middle East, namely, the annihilation and destruction of the Zionist state."
-- Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a "prayer sermon" at Tehran University
addressing hundreds of thousands of Iranians, Dec. 31, 1999
A healthy Democracy requires at least two parties which are remotely sane.
By that standard, Australia is no longer a healthy Democracy. Hopefully a temporary state of affairs. The question is, will the ALP reform itself, or will it disintegrate?
Give over, Alan. It isn't sanity, just egos we have to push past. Remember, none of us are islands, we've all got rels who influence us one way or another, even our pollies. That's why I have complete faith in our Aussie democracy. Much of it originates from the kitchen table.
Posted by: Romeo at October 23, 2004 at 04:16 AMRose, I so appreciate what you wrote...it echoes thoughts I have been having recently, a basic fundamental question about the hysteria the anti-Semites exercise at the mere thought of a conspiratorial Jewish cabal. If I were to entertain that fantasy for a moment, my basic response is, 10 out of 10 times, "and this is a BAD thing?"
As you pointed out : "The Jews have never abused the hospitality of ANY country in which they have sought refuge, they do not exploit the taxpayers by being consumers of social welfare, they are industrious, very hard working, create businesses and employment for others regardless of colour race or creed, many are great Philanthropists and many a hospital, school, and university are the grateful recipients of their munificence."
I cannot think of a time when Jews had any control over a nation, but now that they do in a small part of the world, I have nothing but admiration for their tenacity, bravery, and resourcefulness.
Excellent post.
Posted by: Sharon Ferguson at October 23, 2004 at 07:29 AMRose, that was an excellent letter.
Even though the majority of Israel was made up of refugees - from the Holocaust, Arab countries etc - Israel absorbed them fully and never sponged of the International community unlike the Palestinian refugees who to this day are kept in camps by UNWRA until they can 'return' to destroy Israel.