September 21, 2004


The non-human who murdered Eugene Armstrong helpfully points out the differences between us and them:

"Now, you have people who love death just like you love life. Killing for the sake of God is their best wish, getting to your soldiers and allies are their happiest moments, and cutting the heads of the criminal infidels is implementing the orders of our Lord."

They love death. We love life.

Posted by Tim Blair at September 21, 2004 02:01 PM

Ah, but we must understand why they hate us. We must sit down with them and negotiate. If they won't sit down with us we must get the gallant gauls or the most effective UN to talk to them. Surely if we just share a little love, we'll come around to their point of view. Now get that women into a burkha!

Posted by: slatts at September 21, 2004 at 02:12 PM

Sounds familiar to me. Hamas repeatedly threaten Israel with "you live life, but we love death". And then you go back a few centuries to this episode:

Another chapter from early Islamic history serving as a lesson for today's Muslims at war against the West is the concept of the love of death. This originated at the Battle of Qadisiyya in the year 636, when the commander of the Muslim forces, Khalid ibn Al-Walid, sent an emissary with a message from Caliph Abu Bakr to the Persian commander, Khosru. The message stated: "You [Khosru and his people] should convert to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don't, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life."

Posted by: Jono at September 21, 2004 at 02:21 PM

Somebody call Brian Deegan, we need a negotitator.

Posted by: fidens at September 21, 2004 at 02:52 PM

Root cause anyone?

Posted by: fidens at September 21, 2004 at 02:59 PM

Stop fooling aroud and grant them their whish.

Posted by: Le clerc at September 21, 2004 at 03:36 PM

I have never understood why this was supposed to strike fear into our hearts. Let's see, they want to die, while we want to live. Therefore we will kill them, which will make them happy, and we'll remain alive, which will make us happy. It's your classic win-win situation.

Posted by: Angie Schultz at September 21, 2004 at 03:37 PM

so many of my daily choices are shades of gray.
Thank you mister jihad man for making easy math.

Posted by: Papertiger at September 21, 2004 at 04:29 PM

As Angie says,

Why should this sentence scare us at all. If this is what they really think we can easily arrange a solution to make everyone happy....

We kill all of them and save our own lives in the process.

Posted by: Jon at September 21, 2004 at 04:56 PM

Kill. Them. All.

Posted by: steve at September 21, 2004 at 05:40 PM

"They love death. We love life."
Hey, us Westerners are only here to please... let's slay the mofos!

Posted by: Militant Moe at September 21, 2004 at 06:15 PM

They love death. We love life.

I agree with the posters above. If this is a sticking point in our negotiations, let's capitulate and give them what they want.

Posted by: pajama_jihad at September 21, 2004 at 06:22 PM

As Peter Fitzsimmons of the SMH says "we must ask ourselves why New Zealand is safe and we're not" Because the U.S.,Australia and our allies have some spine not like him the Traitor.

Posted by: gubbaboy at September 21, 2004 at 06:42 PM

These terrorists, often sound like articulate animals.

Why doesn't the left give them at least an approximation of the treatment they give Evangelical Christians?

The year 636. If only they were so advanced.

Give them what they love so.

Posted by: Thomas at September 21, 2004 at 07:08 PM

They see New Zealand as a site that will accomodate them, and from where they can plan their invasions and terrorist plots against Australia since no passport required also given the many disgruntled Maouris a new harvest of converts who can enter Australia without much scrutiny.

As for the Butchers of Bagdhad - they bring out something in me I fear- such hatred- I would like to see them lashed 100 times then thrown into a pen with wild starving pigs and all their families made to watch as they are torn to shreds and devoured and may they rot in hell for ever.
I cannot stop weeping for the families of these poor men who must think God has deserted them. WE MUST NOT LET THEM HAVE BEEN BUTCHERED FOR NOTHING- 'VENGEANCE IS MINE SAID THE LORD' but he gave us the brains and intellect when to carry out his vengeance

Posted by: Rosetta at September 21, 2004 at 07:22 PM

New Zealand has SAS troops and engineers in Afganistan where the real terroist are . Also more engineers in Basra,Not hiding out at the Bagdad aiport.For at least the last 15 years a passport is required to enter Australia from NZ.

Posted by: Le clerc at September 21, 2004 at 07:41 PM

Kiwis were killed in Bali too. Not targets my arse

Posted by: Razor at September 21, 2004 at 08:31 PM


The lack of critical outrage in the media makes we wonder about all this head lopping by the Muslim fundamentalists.

Is it necessary we need to have Voltaire's preferred system of government, that of a benevolent dictatorship with frequent assasination of the "leader"?

And why are the left so disinclined to condemn these atocities?

There is but one word left - STUPID.

And it is obvious why Paddy finally cut his ties with them.

But for those who want to try to understand the situation, history - have a very, very close look at what Velikovsky interpreted the historical record to be, when initially trying to counter Freud's "Moses and Monotheism".

In particular his posthumous work "Mankind in Amnesia" written in colloboration with other scientists.

In it you might find a possible explanation for all this appalling behaviour.

Apart from the outright rejection of individual rights by religion.

Posted by: Louis at September 21, 2004 at 09:39 PM

Fitzsimmon's needs to find a safe place in his mind so he can blame Australia for bringing the terrorists anger on us.Get it, it's all our fault,even if NZ participate or aren't safe he needs that lie to justify his Howard hating mind.What's worse is the slimy bastard is currently doing adds for N.Z. tourism.I wish he'd stay there.

Posted by: gubbaboy at September 21, 2004 at 09:41 PM

i love it when the right wing nutter currently sitting in the white house claims he is doing god's work in Iraq. One religious nutter chasing another religious nutter but in the wrong country.
Wake up America, Iraq is a mess, George is to blame, and the world is not a safer place with a simpleton in the white house.

Posted by: jockman at September 21, 2004 at 10:32 PM

Once again, my humble three step plan -

1. Find who did this.

2. Make sure.

3. Kill them.

We can't share a planet with them, any more than you can keep a mad dog in the house.

Posted by: Parker at September 21, 2004 at 11:57 PM

Isn't it odd, how the ones who proclaim that they love death more than we love life are the ones who sit behind in caves doing all the planning, while they send out the stupids and the crazies to do all the dying? Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Posted by: Rebecca at September 22, 2004 at 01:38 AM

At least George has the guts to start cleaning up all the trash that has been out festering in this world for so long. So he doesn't have the momentum to go into Iran, Syria, or North Korea. Yes he is religious but for him it is not about killing for God but stablizing for the life of the citizens of his country.
And to those that moan that he had no plan for winning the peace. There is only one way I have seen it done. After you have won the war you sit on the country until they stop pitching thier fit. Right now Baathists and forgien fighters are now pitching that tantrum (see how I can stay on the subject?) and claiming that they are making thier god happy by killing bound prisoners.
If that is how divinity is pleased then I bet our God is much happier than theirs! If you tell me that our God is loving and abhores war, then we will have his forgiveness after we have won.

Posted by: Jungus at September 22, 2004 at 05:52 AM

I love it when left wing nutters constantly refer to President Bush as a simpleton, even as he's consistantly, and constantly, kicking their asses.

Face it, that "idiot cowboy" has got the American left right where he wants them: going down in flames.

Posted by: Syd Barret at September 22, 2004 at 07:04 AM

The real enemy isn't the Islamo facsists ,it is their 5th column defenders in the West.So I think it is a hearts and minds campaign in the home of institutions like universities,hollywood and the Labor/Democratic party.

Posted by: gubbaboy at September 22, 2004 at 09:30 PM

They love death because their "sacred" book describes their God as loving death.

We love life because our sacred book describes the God of all creation as the God of life.

That's why he made us in the first place, and why he came and died so we can live forever in the second place.

Posted by: daniel at September 23, 2004 at 12:14 AM