January 02, 2004


Attention, Hitler experts! What Nazi nightmare is Brazilian Federal Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva talking about?

"I consider the act absolutely brutal, threatening human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis," said Federal Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva in the court order released on Tuesday.

Hmm. The "worst horrors committed by the Nazis" ... herding people into ghettoes? Invading neighbouring countries? Gassing millions? Well, not exactly:

Starting on January 5, citizens of countries such as Brazil who need a visa to enter the US will be fingerprinted and photographed when they pass through immigration at major US airports and seaports.

Posted by Tim Blair at January 2, 2004 08:46 AM

Julier Sebastiao da Silva wears real robes & is really recognized in real courtrooms as a real judge as in a real legal system. I guess that means that he may even think himself a real judge. But Julier Sebastiao da Silva talks like a 3rd-rate commie/fascist shill.

Posted by: ForNow at January 2, 2004 at 09:17 AM

Sure, just ask any Holocaust survivor - they'll tell you the worst thing that happened to them was being fingerprinted. They could put up with being enslaved, raped, murdered, experimented on, etc., but fingerprinting? Oh, the humanity!

Posted by: Barbara Skolaut at January 2, 2004 at 09:58 AM

Not to mention the fact that the classification and marking (eg: being made to wear identifying yellow stars) being done by the Nazis to the Jews and other "undesirables" was being done to their own citizens. Is Brazil the 51st state?

Posted by: Andrea Harris at January 2, 2004 at 10:10 AM

I guess that shows how much the Nazis really offended the judge. Or maybe he just suffers from talking before thinking, which makes it scary to think he sits as a judge.

Posted by: Thom at January 2, 2004 at 10:14 AM

Next thing you know, they'll be giving all Americans free dental exams.

Posted by: pk at January 2, 2004 at 10:51 AM

so when is someone here in the states going to cry out about the fingerprinting at the DMV? *cries* they took my fingerprint, all i wanted was a driver's license!

Posted by: samkit at January 2, 2004 at 10:58 AM

some people hate the US so much it makes them insanely stupid.

Posted by: mark at January 2, 2004 at 11:26 AM

Mark, I prefer to think that some people are so insanely stupid that it makes them hate the US. Can't help it/ I'm an optimist.

Posted by: papertiger at January 2, 2004 at 11:52 AM

"A Brazilian judge, furious at US plans to fingerprint and photograph Brazilians entering the United States, has ordered Brazil to do the same to US citizens."

Apparently, this Nazi-like policy is so brutal, xenophobic and unacceptable... that Brazil has mirrored it.

Once the Joooos gas 6 million Germans we'll be all square then.

Posted by: Fiden at January 2, 2004 at 12:04 PM

The judge's comments are ironic, seeing as how the only reason we're fingerprinting Brazilians is to look for multiple, Hitler-matching prints.

Posted by: Dave S. at January 2, 2004 at 12:52 PM

"The fingerprinting of Brazilians has NOT made America safer."

Howard Dean

Posted by: Jerry at January 2, 2004 at 12:54 PM

Hurry! Somebody get him a seat in the 9th circuit court!

Posted by: Evan at January 2, 2004 at 12:56 PM

Yeah, right...hey, Judge! Yeah you! Here's an idea: how about Brazil figures out a way to provide potable drinking water, basic sanitation and basic housing to its millions of desperate poor and, then, when you have those basics down, you can complain about a foreign country's visa regulations?

Posted by: KevinV at January 2, 2004 at 01:22 PM

I never understood why simply having everyone in the U.S. have their fingerprints taken would "take away freedom.'

Posted by: Andyzero at January 2, 2004 at 01:30 PM

Well yes, the Nazi's took peoples fingerprints. Actually they took their fingers, hands and everything else......

Posted by: Johnny Wishbone (used to be Osamas Psychotic Proctologist but someone said it was too long so now it at January 2, 2004 at 04:53 PM

Great! We will now have on record the details of all fraudsters and embezzlers who flee to Rio. After some Brazilian regime change/pressure they can all be brought to justice.

Posted by: wv at January 2, 2004 at 05:00 PM

What a freaking idiot this guy is... How about we sick the ADL on this idjit.

Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge at January 3, 2004 at 01:46 AM

Don't be surprised - anti-Americanism runs rampant in Brazil, and any excuse to lash out at the US is considered valid.

Unfortunately, it is easier for most Brazilians to blame the US for our maladies than to face the fact that we’ve got ourselves a big, fertile country, with mild climate (temperatures are rarely below 32 or above 100), cheap labor (minimum wage at a little less than US$ 100/month), great natural resources (Brazil is nearing self-sufficiency in oil production, by the way), close to zero natural disasters (no earthquakes, no hurricanes, no tornadoes, no snow storms, only an occasional flooding), and we still haven't made it work (hmmm, could it be because we keep electing the same left-wing idiots every time? Nah, probably not...).

BTW, all citizens here are required by law to have a national ID card, containing... guess what... their fingerprint! No judges rebelling against that, though...

Posted by: GuyFromBrazil at January 3, 2004 at 03:51 AM

Hey everyone, lighten up on the guy a little. I mean, I remember watching Schindler's List, and the part that really got to me was the fingerprinting at the airports...

Posted by: Jerry at January 3, 2004 at 12:39 PM

If Brazil wants to waste its money fingerprinting every American that crosses into its borders, alienating vacationers and business-people and thereby losing more money, I say let the idiots waste what little money they have. Serves 'em right.

Posted by: Thundar at January 3, 2004 at 04:09 PM

What is beyond belief is that the matter is being treated seriously, and even being applauded by some people. It makes me ashamed of being Brazilian to know this kind of idiot can be a Federal Judge.

Still, it's unfair to say we keep electing left-wing idiots. The last two governments were of center-right coalitions.

Posted by: Cisco at January 4, 2004 at 04:30 AM

Other than the gratuitious Nazi reference, what's the big deal about an order for photos and prints? If they want to spend their money, time and energy that way, let them. Sure it will slow entry into the country, but all that means a tad less time to spend money and inclination to visit again.

Ask the French about results of disinclinations to visit their country. Nothing official on the US side, just folks making up their own individual minds.

Posted by: roy at January 4, 2004 at 12:34 PM

The Brazilians have turned into the world's touchiest people (well, second after the Arabs).

Last year there was a big brewhaha over a Simpsons episode that made fun of Brazil (never mind that the show as a whole makes fun of America and memorable episodes that made fun of France, Australia, and Brittain). I don't remember what happened but their was talk of banning the episode, boycotts, etc...

Posted by: peter at January 6, 2004 at 01:11 AM

After reading the comments of trhe alleged judge, Julier Sebastiao da Silva, it makes one wonder....

1. What does this man who calls himself a judge have to hide?
2. Didn't Brazil harbor some of Hitler's most evil associates after they fled post World War II Germany?
3. If Julier Sebastiao da Silva doesn't like to be fingerprinted by the US, then he should stay in his own country, in which countless numbers of homeless children are brutally murdered in the streets of Rio and Sao Paulo and people such as Julier Sebastiao da Silva do nothing to stop it!

Posted by: Bob at January 6, 2004 at 03:56 AM