Tim Blair

...except George Will is also completely full of shit, and Clark never "revealed" any such thing, ever.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh092303.shtml

Which makes Margo look even better, don't it?

Robert Byrd is not the father of the US Senate. The Grand Wizard, maybe, but definately not the father.

He is the father of much West Virginain pork however.

"My wife and I were invited over to a neighbor's home 12 days ago where Clark told those gathered that certain people, acting on behalf of the Bush administration, called him immediately after the attacks on September 11th and asked him to go on TV to tell the country that Saddam Hussein was "involved" in the attacks. He asked them for proof, but they couldn't provide any. He refused their request."

http://michaelmoore.com/

I have some sympathy for Margo. Every time Robert Byrd lifts his sheet to speak on the floor of the Senate, I cry too.

So the Margolianoid "quit smoking last week after a 26 year heavy habit"!!!! Would love to hear regular updates on this bold claim. Like in 3 weeks, 3 months and of course 3 years. It aint over till then!

With a distorted view of the world like that - she really needs those smokes. I mean if I was that screwed up I would need about 2 packs a day.

I think she has no chance of quitting.

Maybe we should start a betting pool to gauge when she will light up again.... 2 hours, 2 days, 2 weeks?

I see an historical parallel here. During the French revolution Marat's serious skin condition meant that he had to spend most of the day in a bath, soaking in mineral salts to relieve the pain. The pain was supposed to have fuelled his furious rants against the Girondins (moderates).

And what was Marat's main claim? That all France's problems - even crop failures - were the fault of the Girondins.

Substitute "Liberals" for "Girondins" and you have Citizen Margo's entire manifesto.

I suspect that my world view is somewhat more closely aligned to Margo's than you lot, and I wish her every success in kicking the habit. (Just do it, Margo - you are now a non-smoker. Hold to that perception).

But - I think she is on thin ice quoting Wesley Clark. The man out-backflips even our own master of the art, John Howard. There is something essentially deceitful about this man, and I can think of only one reason to support him - he's not George W. Bush.

Which is a perfectly excellent reason in its own right, and if this is the way things are, then so be it. I'd prefer it didn't have to be this particular individual, but in a storm, any port will do.

George Bush too much of a real man for you Nem? Making decisions on anything but politics is always too naughty for your type isn't it? Thus we have the abysmal lies and failed predicitons of the left being shown up at every turn. Remeber the "long Afghani winter", "the long Iraqi summer", the "humanitarian disaster waiting to happen", the million refugees. Bush has been right every time and the left whiny-boys have been wrong.

Maybe Margo should go read The Command Post sometime.

To rub salt into the wounds, the article detailing Wesley Clark's source was written by an Australian. By a rank amateur, not a professional journalist.

On the 25th.

Nemesis -

I'd guess my politics are way closer to Tim's than yours, but I don't think that Clark is any backflippier, or prone to speaking in platitudes, than any other politician. As far as the phone call incident, I'd say it's nothing.

Also, I wouldn't be throwing around the picture of Clark shaking hands with Mladic too much, because a) who recognizes who this Mladic jackoff is, anyway and b) pictures of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussien start being passed around. I'm not getting into whether or not they are the same thing, or one's better - it's just a political loser.

As for other officers snipping at him - that sounds like par for the course as far as the Army. However, the dislike for Clark in the Army is looking to run deeper and deeper, and although gossip is a bad thing to listen to in general - well, that's just tough shit for any politician who built a well-earned rep before entering politics.

Besides, Margo isn't even quoting Wesley Clark. She fucked it up, out loud. If she really wants Clark as the Prez, maybe she should start the rumor that he kicks puppies for fun, 'cause that's about as big of a vote getter as what she ascribes to him.

Anyways, we'll take care of who is and who isn't president, never you mind.

if you believe moore than clark is a backflipper

but moore is probably misheard clark, or is making stuff up

here is a letter clark wrote to clarify his original comment

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE4D81131F930A2575BC0A9659C8B63

'Refute' used be such a useful word. I take it that 'refute' and 'deny' are synonyms now.

Obviously, Margo was a heavy smoker all those years coz she couldn't get a root . Maybe life's got better for her. It doesn't show in her column, though.

Hmmm. Deep.

I'm not sure what some of you lot are taking, but it surely can't be good for you.

I have no doubt about what Nemesis is taking and where he's taking it.

Hey, Nemo, sometimes its so obvious it doesn't have to deep.

And look where "deep" thinking got you...maybe you should be on Prozac.

Just a conjecture, but I suspect that The Nemesis might be a big fan of Bill Clinton, so it is a quandry why he's not in love with Wes Clark. They both fell from the same tree.

I forgot to address different paragraphs to different commenters.

Damn.

Right, Whiplash, and he's loving every minute of it.

Andrew notes:
"...except George Will is also completely full of shit, and Clark never "revealed" any such thing, ever.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh092303.shtml"

Unfortunately, using the Howler as a source also gets their peculier spin on events. If you actually read their quotes Clark, when asked about the suggestion that Saddam was connected to 9/11 says "...it came from the White House... "

You can lawyer the words and say the subsequent phone call quote was not related to that but any normal listener would have that impression. And Clark subsequently, in his letter to NYT says he knows the White House was intent on connecting Saddam but seems to back off on saying anything "came from the White House". It's not a big deal but you have to conclude Clark was rambling fast and loose on this one and his supporters are trying to spin this one into a right wing plot.

I tried to quit smoking but it didn't work out so I started putting cheap wine and crushed ice in the bong. Works great, man. Peace out.

"...the father of the US Senate..." What the hell?

Father of the Senate? No, more like this kind of father...

Note to puzzled Yanks: I believe that Margo has bestowed a traditional British Commons title called "The Father of the House" on Robert Byrd. This title is customarily reserved for the oldest member of the Commons. Since Margo clearly doesn't know anything about US politics, she doesn't realize that we have no such title, and that Robert Byrd to us is just another ancient geezer who's been in the Senate for 50 years because he represents an insignificant state where it's easy to get reelected without expending much effort.

As a former resident of West Virginia, I must correct you Irene. Robert Byrd keeps getting re-elected for several reasons, none of which have anything to do with WV's size or significance:

a) it's a heavily Democrat state. A dog proclaiming himself a Democrat would start out with a 20 point lead.
b) he's got all the power of the incumbency. Given current US election law, that's a huge advantage. Over 90% of office holders who run for re-election to Congress win.
c) he's brought back to West Virginia all kinds of pork barrel money. There are more buildings and places in WV named after him than any dead president. Byrd's "money" is everywhere. (The fact that it has done squat to improve the economic and educational level of the state goes unnoticed.)