Tim Blair

Apparently, Al Quada knew that Australia would ally with the U.S. in the inevitable war on terror after they attacked us, thus making Austalia a target for terrorism. You's best heed the advice of Kerry and stay clear of the U.S. We're the bad boys of the international community.

We're letting known terrorists in here after 911?
Another example of how Howard's allowed a vast and incompentant bureaucray to metasize here.

Check out this stat too.
Last year saw 12,000 refugees, on;y slightly down romrm a peak of 13,500 a year or two before that.
http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media_releases/media04/v04001.htm

What's happning to our country for all of us already here who built it?
Not happy John.

Er, what part of "one month before the al-Qaeda strikes on New York and Washington" didn't you understand? And just what is wrong with refugees?

Obviously Khalid and the sheep herder have had us in their sights for a little while longer than the invasion of Iraq.

Enoch Root,
I don't mind in the slightest sharing the land, that we have been fortunate enough to inherit, with these new Australians. You're not happy with John? Well, how unhappy would you have been if he hadn't stopped the flow of boat people?

See--not yet having joined in the invasion of Iraq made us a BIGGER TARGET for terrorists.

See--not yet having joined in the invasion of Iraq made us a BIGGER TARGET for terrorists.

Is the vast bureaucracy John Howard's now? I happen to work in the "vast bureaucracy" and I can tell you

1) Most of it was put in place during the 13 years of Labor government
2) Few people in it can be conceivably called Coalition voters.

Has anyone any info on Geoff Clarke? who entertained an Indonesian Muslim Cleric at Framlingham in 2002- what was the purpose of this visit? especially interesting who introduced Antony Mundine to Islam- We should be concerned that unemployed disaffected aboriginal youths are ripe for conversioan and could be of great concern in the years to come

I saw an SBS report on muslim aboriginals.It was a bit scary.The nub of their arguement was that
1) They were invaded
2) Islam is a way of restoring their rightful ownership of the land under sharia law.
3)They are radical
4)Muslims were here first so its natural for Australias religion to be Islam.
The reported applauded these guys bravery for talking about these issues in public.
Scared the crap outta me.

sorry ,reporter

Muslim Koories? Yeah right!! Chuck a carton of VB in front of them and it would be all over. Have no fear.

Are you safer now than you were 3 years ago?

No Gary,
but I am not as naive about JI or the sheep herder and his low-life cohorts either, as I was back then. So what would you do to alter the situation and be safer?

C'mon, he was just coming over to have a nice sight-seeing tour of Lakemba!

The Left won't be happy until they have produced the first Australian aboriginal suicide bomber.

To Enough Root: what's your beef about refugees? Are you saying we're not letting in enough or too many or are you commending the Howard Government for quietly getting on with the job and processing and accepting the genuine ones?

Gubbaboy: what was SBS's evidence that the Muslims were here first? One could probably substanntiate an argument that since Chinese traders came to Australia before Europeans, the Aborigines should become Confucians, Taoists or Buddhists!

It's been reported here months ago about some mad Mullah's theory that Muslims got to Australia first. Trust SBS to run with that crazy deluded idea.

As for Mundine. Remember his despicable comments just after 9/11 and the shock and condemnation in the boxing world/media. How come no-one (sports journalists, promoters etc) never seem to remember that one? He should be universally despised.

P.S. Tim, how come your links on the sidebar aren't in alphabetical order? it would be sooo helpful!

It wasn't SBS saying it was so.It was an aboriginal making the claim, as I recall he claims it was Afghan traders or Indonesians who were here prior to the Europeans.

Didn't the aborigines have a religion of their own? American Indians did. They had all kinds of them.

The media has also neglected to critically analyse the relationship between Mundine and Willie Brigitte who frequented his boxing establishment and fights.

Brent- the traditional aborigines have an animistic/totemic belief system.

Apparently Muslim fishermen have been entering Australia for thousands of years trading with seaboard aboriginals and some may have stayed and 'married' the local women. I read somewhere that in Indonesia the schools use an atlas that show Austrlia as part of greater Indonesia.
Muslims claim that where ever a muslim has trod that land is deemed to be Islamic for ever???!!
However since Islam is only 1400 years in existence and the Aboriginal came across when Australia was part of Gondwana over 40,000 years ago

Professor Bunyip debunked the "Ancient Aboriginals were Muslim" meme handily on his blog.

There were Muslim visitors to Northern Australia, yes, but they were mainly concerned with acquiring trepang slugs, not with converting the locals.

The Muslim visitors were Macassans who were catching, processing and taking back to what is now Indonesia trepang/beche-de-mer/sea slugs. They formed relationships with coastal Aborigines and there was some intermarriage. It went on for no more than 400 years, I think it was less. In Arnhem Land the word for money is rrupiah (with a trilled r as the first sound), a loan word from the Macassans rather than the English equivalent.

However anyone who thinks Aborigines are ripe for conversion to Islam is severely deluded - culturally they are incredibly different. For Aborigines time is regarded very differently than in Western society and their way of life is the antithesis of that which is lived by the clock. The notion they'd be bowing to Mecca five times a day is laughable.
I know, because I once had a class in which half the students were traditional Aboriginal children; they were supposed to be learning Indonesian, in which the way you say hello varies according to what time it is. This was so baffling to the Aboriginal kids I had to organise a music lesson instead!

Ahh..whatever, just let em' all in. It's just Western Civilization that's at risk.

Gary, I am safer now than I was three years ago. If I'm on the observation deck of The Empire State Building, and there's a rogue jet en' route, piloted by sexually frustrated middle-eastern man-boys, it's more likely now that it will be intercepted and shot down before it reaches the building.

By the way, do Australia's Aborigines have casinos?

Our (the U.S.'s) Aborigines would fight tooth and nail, to protect their gambling interests, before ever converting to any religion that doesn't allow senior citizens to piss away their social security checks.

Our (the U.S.'s) Aborigines would fight tooth and nail, to protect their gambling interests, before ever converting to any religion that doesn't allow senior citizens to piss away their social security checks.

No, but they, like other Australians, like alcohol too much to ever go Shariah-style, methinks.

they, like other Australians, like alcohol too much to ever go Shariah-style

Yes and no. Proportionally there are more teetotallers among the Aboriginal population. But the ones who like the grog tend to like it very much indeed.

Apart from that 70% call themselves Christians. Maybe they're nominal about it at the same rate as the rest of us but I suspect not. At least not the ones up here.

I was not really thinking of full blood aboriginals but those part Aboriginal losers who have no work or jobs and have no real cultural heritage who would look to Tony Mundine as a 'role model' Islamists offer them support to get off drugs and booze and a licence to get even for all their perceived grievences. Many get converted whilsyt in prison. It would be very foolish to underestimate the power of Islam over young aimless men -see David Hicks for starters- not aboriginal but 'lost'

People of European or Middle Eastern ancestry have had umpty-ump thousand years of evolution to weed out those too prone to alcohol abuse. And there are still plenty of white alkies.

In groups of humanity who hadn't been exposed to alcohol for more than a few hundred years, the effects can be devastating. Another couple of thousand years and the problem will subside - assuming we don't use gene surgery before then.

Having the societal organisation and the wisdom to adopt teetotalism as a default position in these circumstances speaks well for the people concerned.

I think that the influence of christianity on aboriginal people should not be underestimated,just like its influence on all cultures.The problem with Islam as I see it is that it is becoming a focus for dissent and revolution through extremely violent means.My guess is that the Islamo fascist ideal will not take with aboriginals but there will be a couple of terrorist acts committed by in Australia.I hope I'm wrong.I think ASIO is aware of this and are monitoring the situation.As I recall all who were interviewed in that SBS show were aware of being monitored.I googled SBS Islamic and Aboriginal and found a couple of references to the show but can't make links.

In groups of humanity who hadn't been exposed to alcohol for more than a few hundred years, the effects can be devastating.

Well, you know what? It's not recent exposure to alcohol. It's the "sit-down money" that's available to spend on alcohol. And it's the do-gooder anti-assimilationist, multiculturalist, designer tribalists who think that their romantic, whole-earth, mud-brick, fairies-at-the-bottom-of-the-garden, ganja dreaming, rubbish ideas can keep a group of human beings satisfied with lives lived stuck miles out bush with next to nothing to do, minimal English speaking skills, in communities of maybe 30 people, living in crowded, besser block, perspex-windowed, government-supplied mean houses, into the design of which they've had no input, built on land they can't individually own, so that the do-gooders can have ... what? A living (or dying) museum of something that has never existed before.

Sorry. I get extremely irritated by people who, unconsciously or not, take a racist, evolutionary view of another group of people whose major problem is that parts of their own traditional culture are ill adapted to current realities while big-shot, know-it-all, lefty do-gooders keep telling them that what they need to do is insist on maintaining traditions that keep them from joining the mainstream and having a hopeful future in the world that actually is.

Seems plausible enough. He managed to get the visa at first, but after the terrorist attacks, the government did some extra work and caught onto something they'd let slip before.

Is anyone wondering why this news tidbit has been revealed during an election campaign? Just coincidence? (I can see reasons why both pro and anti-Howard people could want to leak this info)

I doubt that the masters of Islamic terrorism would have anything to do with Aboriginies, Aboriginies being black. Islamic terrorists in Iraq target African-American soldiers especially, and we are all aware of Sudan.

Janice say hello to the Democratic Party-Indian Reservation-inner-city public school system. Say hello to the new form of slavery by way of gov't capex expansion all to make Libs' feel good about themselves. Maybe Scout could give us an explanation of that form of "tribal sovereignty".

The visa was issued in Athens. One day I will tell you about embassies in Athens.

P.S. Andrea. The issue for most of us down here where I live in Oz is not 'have we become more of a terrorist target given our involvement in Iraq'. Plenty of our political leaders - including those in power - have affirmed the latter as a no brainer.

And no there is nothing wrong with refugees. What is wrong is the people who cause the situations that create them.

a last comment got half swallowed up and makes no sense but who cares

I care!

Rosemary Darling
Islam is patient- when they have sufficient 'refugees' settlers of their religion of peace who have had time to embed and multiply and they will- you better believe -many many Mrs Habibs with the support of Bob Brown'Greens whether ripe or not for conversion all of you 'will aid your conversion'
Educated Australians of European/ Anglo descent are having none to 1.2 children per family Muslims are having 4.5-5 whom you will be supporting through your taxes and who will eventually want pensions- Nigeria 10 years agao was a secular society now over half is under Shari'a. They all doubted Hitler had evil intent and Churchill was poo poohed at first.
Suggest you read World Net Daily today.
When tthey have the numbers to stand MP all muslims will vote for a Muslim and when they have the control of the senate!!!!!!!!!It is nearer than you think.
Another thing- what makes you sure that all ILLEGAL refugees are genuine- you have no way of knowing that they are not the van guard of the NEWLY RECOVERED LAND OF AustRABIA.From the behaviour of many of them I wouls say they are a very serious threat to us. Some are so gullible- go read the Islamic websites where they give chapter and verse how to infiltrate our shores, how to use the media,our laws and the taxpayers money to fight for their'human rights'
if this is all to0 much for you go back to your music lessons whilst you can their will be non in the madrassas
Sadly for Bob Brown he'll be the first for the chopping Block as Homosexuals are HARAM

http://israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=67761
FOR YOUR FUTURE UNDERSTANDING

Holy rampaging paranioa batman!!

Rose darling, that was a bit over the top. Time to take your medicine. Open up, now, there, didn't hurt a bit, did it. Now, we'll just strap on the jacket; there you go. Time to go back to the cage.

I think Rose lives in AustRABIDIA.

I think Rose lives in AustRABIDIA

Tell that to my widowed Mum who lives in western Sydney where the place is full of burqa clad females who go shopping with 4 - 5 kids in tow, where one of the elderly ladies in her Bible Study group got spat on by some non-burqa-clad male, where a local church got firebombed more than once after 9/11 but the events never made the news. Yes. She feels under siege.

Janice, is Rose your widowed Mum? If so, I am sorry to have made fun of her. However, she did not identify herself, and on the internet someone who posts frantic missives with LOTS OF CAPS and exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to mention the
bad punctuation
isn't readily identifiable as someone who is entirely reliable. You know we get a lot of trolls here, many of them barely coherent.

By the way, if problems are that bad in your mother's neighborhood, you do have a government and a judiciary, don't you? And if the authorities are (as I suspect) not particularly interested in policing the area, is there no other place your mother can go to stay? There is only so much that sympathetic audiences on blogs can do for you.

No, Andrea. Rose is not my widowed Mum. However, my Mum does get so cranky about the meaning of the veil that, were she to write about it here, she might well use very many exclamation marks.

P.S. Wanted to thank you for your remarks about pompous pen names. I was starting to feel nauseated from the exposure to so much grandiosity but you appear to have put an end to that.

I think Rose lives in AustRABIDIA

My reporter friend(who used to work with the chain smoking Margo,typing away)said he was on assignment at a mosque in Lakemba where he was amazed at the racism in the meeting.Stuff like Allah has put you here in this God forsaken place to make the land pure, all said in a religous fervour.It seems that whenever their is a particularly heinous crime like the service station attendant being needlessly stabbed on Christmas day,the perpetrators come from south west sydney(high muslim population) or the juveniles basically running the local gaol where the wardens get bashed and are terrified to go to work.It does not help when the State Government appears more intent on rewarding bad behaviour(flat screen TVs in gaol)than protecting its citizens.
I hope the Muslim community will integrate here and respect their citizenship but I have my doubts the leadership are paricularly interested in that.

ROse
you are probably 99% RIGHT
People are only just awakening to the awful reality. Australia unlike HOlland or france still has a chance to save itself from Islamification.
God help it if it is betrayed by its politicos and left wing trolls.
Because there is no turning back from the trojan horse of Islam.
you will one day be dhimmies in your own country if you ignore this reality.

gubbaboy
please provide a list of countries where muslim have adopted the laws of their host country and integrated harmoniously with the local populace.

Like I said it's a hope.I can't think of a country where Muslims have integrated well.Maybe the U.S.?

Lucien, I shall provide your comprehensive list:

Did you enjoy reading the list?

The new religion of the Australian aboriginal people is "footy". Yes, it can be a violent and demanding religion, but it is the only true faith.

Three or four of them won premiership medals yesterday.

May the blessings of the "Coleman" be upon them

I can't think of a country where Muslims have integrated well

Singapore?

But then again, its basically Orwellian.