August 02, 2004
KEEP THE GOODNESS COMING
More good news from Iraq via the tireless Arthur Chrenkoff. You'd think a newspaper would've begun running a series like this by now.
Posted by Tim Blair at August 2, 2004 04:03 PMYeah, you'd think... it's like they don't want us to know...
Posted by: fidens at August 2, 2004 at 04:20 PMAm I the only person here who periodically goes over to Warblogger watch to kick their comments section around like a dead dog? You remember those retards, lately they've taken a turn for the hillareous with Shropshire's galaxy commander fantasies of leading the global 'transhumanist' movement from a space station while fondling pahllic, rhino-horn accessories.
Come on, it's good, honest fun.
Posted by: Amos at August 2, 2004 at 04:37 PMBet the lefties ensure nothing is put on the tele or in the rags that reveal any good news coming from Iraq. After all, if it does "slip-out" that it isn't another Vietnam, that peoples lives are actually better than under Saddam, then where's the media's credibility?
Posted by: Lofty at August 2, 2004 at 04:50 PMThis is all very good news -- people are persevering in spite of the terrorism. Thanks for the link, Tim!
Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 2, 2004 at 05:00 PMAmos,
Oh my God! I thought you were kidding. I just went over to Warblogger Watch. He's insane. He's not drinking Kool-Aid, he's mainlining it.
The first post I read contained the phrase
"fusion-driven Betterhumans space habitats".
Who talks like that?
The internet is an amazing thing.
Jay
Amos,
just went to Warblogger watch. You're right about Shropshire. He's living proof that people should not play with drugs that are still in the experimental stage.
As for Ted Rall's words seen on WW "The U.S. military is short just one item to achieve moral parity with the Nazis: gas chambers." Bloody hell! I thought only Margo had words of wisdom that were so mind stimulating. She's definitely in second place now.
Thanks for informing us of the website.
Posted by: Lofty at August 3, 2004 at 09:48 AMhttp://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/special_packages/sunday_review/9296480.htm?1c
"I still believe the U.S.-led effort in Iraq is accomplishing many good things, most of which get no publicity. And I still think it's too early to abandon hope that a stable and democratic Iraq will emerge from this crucible.
But I learned this summer that the insurgency has been far more successful than I would have imagined at sowing instability and halting progress. Most Iraqis aren't seeing the improvements they had hoped for, and they're not blaming the guerillas - they're blaming the Americans. Sovereignty seems to have had zero effect on this equation."
Posted by: Alan at August 3, 2004 at 12:09 PMOh well then let's just fucking give up since everything isn't perfect and unicorns aren't descending upon Baghdad in a shower of Skittles™ carrying bags of gold. Your point in posting this, Alan?
Posted by: Andrea Harris at August 3, 2004 at 12:59 PMAlan, it sounds like you are gloating over the problems faced by the honest people in Iraq, in a backhanded fashion.
But why be so coy? Be direct! Step up to the line! Fly to Iraq, and show your appreciation to Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi for what you claim is his success by giving him a blow job. Put your money where your mouth is!
Ah, so to speak......
Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 3, 2004 at 03:36 PMWhat's going on Alan? Did you really enjoy making your statement or are you just parroting someone else?
When there's good news its surprising how many lefties or isolationists totally ignore it or come out of their holes and say it's all crap.
Obviously you or whoever made that statement has never, ever, knowingly or willingly had to make a decision that will test their character. Another thing, those low-lifes' killing innocent people over there are not insurgents, they're murderers.
You've really cheesed me off. If it is a comment from you, all I can say is that you're a BLOODY OXYGEN THEIF!
Posted by: Lofty at August 3, 2004 at 04:59 PMI believe he was quoting. (See the quotation marks?) Still, his lack of commentary not to mention his leaving this quote here like a dog leaving a smelly turd in a rose garden indicates what he thinks, which is that it's all really doom and gloom over in Iraq, and the "insurgents" are winning, and it's All Our Fault, we should have left Saddam in power 'cos the Iraqis were better off under the certainty of totalitarian rule by a dissident-shredding thug than under the uncertain and dangerous freedom they have now.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at August 3, 2004 at 08:29 PMI guess none of you bothered to read the material that I gave the link to. Shame really. You all follow commentary without researching things yourself.
1) the war was illegal
2) for reasons which were lies
3) which the government/s knew about
4) so how can you believe it's a good thing when everything that it was done for was a lie?
5) if it was really about removing Saddam from power then that's what it should have been about.
6) and I'm sure that a war killing many thousands of people justifies the removal of a single man from office, when
7) all of his atrocities are either unproven, or were done because of US support in the first place
*shrug*
but I know I'm talking to the ignorant, because you all believe only what your leaders tell you, and when they change their stories, you blindly follow without question and ignore the reality that's kept from you. Here's another quote for you:
Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
Posted by: Alan at August 4, 2004 at 06:40 AMOh god, he's another Neo-quoting "The Matrix shows the Truth" idiot. Set further comments from Alan to IGNORE.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at August 4, 2004 at 02:25 PMYou're not very smart, it seems. Quotes from movies isn't about saying a movie is truth, but the quote shows an analogy, and it's the analogy that's relevant. But if you were a little smarter, you'd probably understand that. *shrug*
Posted by: Alan at August 4, 2004 at 03:21 PMIf you were smart, Alan, you wouldn't have to quote articles or cheesy science fiction movies to make your point. Analogy is not a substitution for original thinking, it's a debating tool.
Come to think of it, that last post but one clearly demonstrates you have no original thought. No surprise there, but, hey, here's my take:
1) the war was illegal
Sez who? The UN? Sorry, Alan, but the UN does not impose international law; it's not a world government. At best, it reaches consensus on necessary actions. And, in point of fact, the UN had authorized retaliation for sanctions. They just wouldn't back up their words with action.
Congress? Wrong again -- twice.
2) for reasons which were lies
OMIGAWD! BUSH LIED = HITLER THE GREAT SATAN IT'S ALL ABOUT OOOOIIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!!!
Typical leftoid talking point -- nothing to back it up. Hot air and no proof, Alan....indeed, check out the 9/11 report. It's not a total clean bill of health, but "lies"? Nope.
3) which the government/s knew about
See the 9/11 report.
4) so how can you believe it's a good thing when everything that it was done for was a lie?
Items #2 is a null statement; item #3 is in error. Therefore, this can be ignored as nonsense.
5) if it was really about removing Saddam from power then that's what it should have been about.
He is out of power, along with the rest of the Rape And Torture Brigade. Your point is....?
6) and I'm sure that a war killing many thousands of people justifies the removal of a single man from office, when
Not a point, but your opinion. So?
7) all of his atrocities are either unproven, or were done because of US support in the first place
More leftoid talking points that reject reality. Do you deny Saddam gassed the Kurds? How about the Marsh Arabs? The mass graves?
And the US support was not as important as everyone would have. And let us not forget the rest of the international support -- Russian, Chinese, German, and French, to name a few. Plus the United Nations with its "Food for Oil" program.
Since Saddam is in custody, and his two psychotic sons are dead, why don't you apply your mighty intellect in the aid of some other despot who wants to retain power? North Korea comes to mind. Surely Kim Il Sung is worthy of your time and effort? Or maybe Arafat; I hear he is looking for models to display the latest in semtex vests. Give it a thought.
Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 4, 2004 at 04:24 PMReal JeffS: you can't debate with someone whose response to criticism is to quote a Keanu Reeves character.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at August 4, 2004 at 08:37 PMYeah, I know, Andrea; he's a twitterbrain. I just didn't want some new reader surfing in and think Alan had the last word.
Besides, the Matrix movies were lame. :-)
Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 5, 2004 at 12:33 AMOh, I liked the first one well enough. I haven't seen the other two and don't really have any plans to.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at August 5, 2004 at 01:57 PMThe first was so-so. I didn't bother watching the others because of that. From the reviews, that was a good idea.
Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 5, 2004 at 03:46 PM