May 23, 2004

SYMPTOMS OF A SICK SOCIETY

By studying Islam's self-image, we can collect symptoms of the 'disease' that ails Islamic society, writes Julian Nimio:

Of course, every Muslim is not always ignorant, hypocritical and obedient. Of course, Islam does not have a monopoly on ignorance, hypocrisy and obedience. But when we interpret Islamic society through these lenses, current events make a lot more sense.

(Note: a few proper nouns have been altered in the above extract, so that it "makes a lot more sense".)

Posted by Tim Blair at May 23, 2004 11:13 PM
Comments

What a painfully bad piece of writing that was. For example, none of the sentences in this paragraph go together:

Does the US have the best way of life? In a BBC poll, 96 per cent of Americans say that foreigners want to live in America. In the same poll, one Australian in 100 says she would prefer to live in America. Itís not hard to guess why: Australians like paid vacations, Medicare, the fair go, even if it doesnít always work perfectly.
Uhhh... what the hell? The last sentence isn't even a sentence, it's a fragment. I'll just leave aside the fact that saying only one in 100 Australians want to live in America does not at all contradict the statement that "96 per cent (sic) of Americans say that foreigners want to live in America." One out of a 100 is one foreigner, right?

My favorite claim, though, is this:

Is America the land of the free? Not when powerful corporations can silence dissidents like Michael Moore.
Yeah, it's a real shame that we never hear from Moore ever since the Men in Black came and dragged him off to the camps, and that all reels of his film Bowling for Columbine were confiscated by the Bushitler Junta™ and never got released worldwide to make a million zillion dollars.

Oh well, gotta go. If I don't show up at church for the weekly baby-eating they'll take my trailer away and put me in the camps.



Posted by: Andrea Harris at May 23, 2004 at 11:29 PM

I think this guy has plagiarised enough Rage Against The Machine lyrics and Matrix ideas to fill up an entire book of crap. Good on him though for trying...

Posted by: Adsy at May 23, 2004 at 11:32 PM

If you chew the flesh of pigs, you become a pig. If you swallow intoxicating wines, you are a useless fool. If your women bare their faces hair and bodies before you, you become a wild beast. If you do not submit to Allah, you are an infidel.

AKBAR THE GREAT

Posted by: AKBAR THE GREAT at May 23, 2004 at 11:33 PM

Not if you are drinking EXPENSIVE intoxicating wines.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at May 23, 2004 at 11:35 PM

There are soooo many places in Akbar's statement where you could insert the words, ...NSW Rugby League player...

..a bit harsh??

Posted by: Adsy at May 23, 2004 at 11:39 PM

Ninio, huh? What a scumbag. There really ought to be a dictionary term for cowards who leave a country which has given them so much, then spare no opportunity to run that country down from the safety of foreign capitals. A...'pilger'?

Posted by: Byron_the_Aussie at May 23, 2004 at 11:53 PM

The interview with Phillip Knightley which this link led me to is actually worse, if you can imagine that!

Posted by: Hal GP Colebatch at May 24, 2004 at 12:03 AM

I really thought this was a satire on the far left - a heavyhanded and farfetched satire maybe, but true enough nevertheless. It only dawned on me a few paragraphs in that he meant it. I suppose you take such trouble to cut people like this out of your life that you forget THIS IS HOW SOME PEOPLE THINK.

Posted by: wardytron at May 24, 2004 at 12:15 AM

I posted this on FR. Hopefully, some of my fellow Freepers will let Ninio know what they think of him.

Posted by: Byron_the_Aussie at May 24, 2004 at 12:36 AM

Hey! I like pigs! And intoxicating wines!

Unlike that self-despising Julian Ninny, who probably flagellates himself every time he finds something to enjoy.

Posted by: Rebecca at May 24, 2004 at 12:40 AM

That's not real helpful, Byron. All that will do is give him the opportunity to claim persecution by "freepers." Of course he would probably do that anyway.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at May 24, 2004 at 12:40 AM

***all that will do is give him the opportunity to claim persecution by "freepers"***

You're right, madame, but I felt a duty to inform my conservative brethren, that yet another Chomsky wannabe is running down his adopted country from the safety of an Aussie gabfest. And, who knows? FR's tentacles reach far and wide. Reinforced by LGF's lizardoid minions, we can monitor liberal rantings in any corner of the globe- and report back, to HQ. Perhaps even now, a LAX Customs Officer is reading that post on FR, and feeling his blood pressure rise. A week, maybe two, when Ninio returns to the US... perhaps his welcome will be the snap of the rubber gloves, the click-click of the Maglite? For starters, anyway.

Posted by: Byron_the_Aussie at May 24, 2004 at 01:04 AM

I didn't know whether to laugh at that article or throw up.

Posted by: CurrencyLad at May 24, 2004 at 01:28 AM

What a crock of lies. It's amazing what self-hate will do to a person. Dedicated to destroying their country from within, under the guise of "fixing the system". This is pathetic.

Who said the system is perfect? Not me, or most of the people I've met, that's for sure!

But portraying the system as broken when it is only not perfect? Ignoring inconvenient facts (such as Bush was not elected by a minority)? Assuming a vast conspiracy? Repeating discredited lies?

That's Ignorance and Hypocrisy, the exact same charges that Julian lays on the United States. Obedience -- that one I can't figure out. Unless we consider Moonbat Command.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at May 24, 2004 at 01:45 AM

Hey Real Jeffs:

Just got my daily headlines from the always 'reliable' New York Times. Wonder what Julian Nimrod would make of the news:

First story headlined: "International inspectors have found evidence that North Korea provided Libya with nearly two tons of uranium in early 2001."

But that whole Axis of Evil/WMD thing was mistaken, right? And Libya's rehabilitation was no big deal, right?

Second story headlined: "U.S. commanders said insurgents loyal to Moktada al-Sadr, a Shiite cleric, appeared to have given up control of central Karbala."

But the war's going badly, right?

Posted by: CurrencyLad at May 24, 2004 at 01:56 AM

The Sydney Writers Festival let this clown in? Good Gad, could this piece of incoherent crap be indicative of the overall level of incompetent writing of the creatures inhabiting the SWF?

I'm not even going into how this moron quasi-thinks.

Posted by: ushie at May 24, 2004 at 02:09 AM

CurrencyLad, in the interests of being positive (as opposed to sarcastic), I'd say that the war is going badly for Al Qaeda and other Islamofascists, not to mention the small minded, big mouthed, hate spewing, arse licking Islamofascist lackeys within western civilization.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at May 24, 2004 at 02:35 AM

And we busted Chalabi for spying.

Posted by: aaron at May 24, 2004 at 02:37 AM

Ushie:

You're opinion of me. Its of no consequences because of the reasons. Noone tells that I cannot. Write well and other. Bush, Hitler, Stalin, Fatty Arbuckle, all share the same evilness of life's barber. Cuts any way to say so. With time comes wiseness and looking at a picture provides relief from thirsty loins. Violence in our society - much the same. The writer's Festival is a place, not a place, but a dream when all is considered internally where inner-demons breathe his last. I'm glad to be part. Inside me of them and I too will drive. And cheer and eat glad tidings.

So, Ushie, I say it to them and alls true inside: sleep on it plus John Howard's Australia know that I make sense and others. That spirit is. Time is. It tells just like the bell will not for forces of right-wingness in it. Lets learn ourselves and be gooder than that. We all. We all. Yes indeed. That's when we know society has crossed. The fence where butter ceases and our volcanoes slam shut.

Posted by: Julian Nimio at May 24, 2004 at 02:38 AM

"The fence where butter ceases and our volcanoes slam shut.'

Sortelli? Is that you?

Posted by: ushie at May 24, 2004 at 02:40 AM

Sorry for the sarcasm Real JeffS: One struggles to understand the fate of truth in the present era. When it arrives in the papers now, one almost starts to lampoon its inevitable critics as an offensive self-defence.

Must go back on the positive foot.

Posted by: CurrencyLad at May 24, 2004 at 02:47 AM

If you swallow intoxicating wines, you are a useless fool. If your women bare their faces hair and bodies before you, you become a wild beast. If ....You get all that you are a lucky bastard!

Posted by: Peter at May 24, 2004 at 02:56 AM

While this Nimio dickhead is out of the country you should take the opportunity to change the locks.

Posted by: Craig Mc at May 24, 2004 at 03:22 AM

Uh - a web diary item. I should have guessed.

Posted by: Craig Mc at May 24, 2004 at 03:25 AM

Now the flesh of swine marinated in wine, especially a nice light sangria... primo stuff! Toss in the Charisma Carpenter issue of Playboy and I'm a happy infidel!

FYI ó I put up a post in this thread that seems appropirate here.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 24, 2004 at 03:34 AM

Andrea ó Don't think I closed that link properly. Apologies in advance if that causes any problems.

Sorry. Charisma Carpenter distracted me.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 24, 2004 at 03:36 AM

I love how the author decries the ignorance of Americans, then complains about the president being elected by less than a majority. It's called the electoral college, dude. Look into it.

Posted by: Monkey Boots at May 24, 2004 at 03:58 AM

You know, when I read stuff like that, and realize how very, very low the standards these days are for being a "writer" or a public intellectual, I mourn afresh that I did not turn to this activity in my youth. Who knows what kind of Michael Moore-sized icon I could have been by now?

I wonder if it's too late. I should fasten on some facet of American culture and detail in excruciating yet nonsensical detail how it is responsible for all evil in the world. Should I start boldly with something big, like motherhood, or football? Or small, with, say, aspartame? Decisions, decisions.

Posted by: Angie Schultz at May 24, 2004 at 04:35 AM

It wasn't you, CurrencyLad. I had just finished reading that Berkely story from Andrea's blog, and I was really pissed. There's nothing like a bunch of neo-fascists weeping for their cause by supporting terrorists and murders to get me angry. Anything for the underdog, I guess. I just wanted to put things in a better light!

And you do an EXCELLENT Julian! "The fence where butter ceases and our volcanoes slam shut" indeed! LOL!

Posted by: The Real JeffS at May 24, 2004 at 04:36 AM

Richard: I enjoyed the post over at Roger L. Simon. Interesting.

Posted by: CurrencyLad at May 24, 2004 at 04:44 AM

Correct, Monkey Boots! But on a lark, I looked up the results from the 2000 elections. You can find them at http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm.

The interesting thing is that while Bush won the electoral college (which is how the system works, should any left wingers be reading this), Gore winning a majority of the votes is questionable. It depends on how you define "majority". In the USA, a "majority" in elections requires 51% of the votes cast, what's called a simple majority.

In November 2000, Bush collected 47.87%, Gore had 48.38%; by the simple majority definition, no one was elected president. We would have had a run off election.

Sounds like the Founding Fathers knew what they doing!

Posted by: The Real JeffS at May 24, 2004 at 04:45 AM

The Real JeffS:

Yes, I read that (long) article too. Not good for peace of mind! I'd be surprised if that degree of fanaticism could survive after their graduation - jobs, interviews, travel, money, success, etc.

The alliance between liberal (or radical) UCLA intellectuals and militant Islam - I just don't get it.

Posted by: CurrencyLad at May 24, 2004 at 04:54 AM

Jeff, is .51% even within the margin of error?

Posted by: aaron at May 24, 2004 at 05:00 AM

If you don't get it, CurrencyLad, how can you imitate Julian and Kofi so well? ;-)

Seriously, I can only understand this if I assume that these characters hate western civilization so much that tearing it down is all that matters, even if they themselves fall in the process. A sickness beyond description.

Under that assumption, left wingers and Islamofascists get along nicely, so long as they don't have to socialize. Could you imagine Osama bin Laden partying with Michael Moore?

This is obvious when you realize that left wingers ignore or deny inconvenient facts, "create facts" (i.e., lie) to support their own world view (real or not), and cling to discredited facts (e.g., plastic turkeys).

Islamofacists? They are ruthless barbarians, who will use the useless idiots of western civilization to further the cause of militant Islam.

This is the sheep (useless idiots) laying with the lion (Islamofascists). Only the lion is lying while the sheep are laying. The consquences would be ironic indeed.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at May 24, 2004 at 05:10 AM

aaron, this is a ballot count, not a survey. The "error rate" becomes counting (i.e., human) errors, not a statistical variation.

At the bottom of the page is the note that " 138,216 Miscellaneous write-in, blank and void votes were compiled as one total. This figure is not included in Total Votes Cast." That's the measured error. (Although I'm sure that Al Gore, Jesse Jackson, and others would disagree.)

But I agree, 0.51% difference, on the national scale, is barely a difference at all.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at May 24, 2004 at 05:18 AM

My wording was wrong, I didn't mean statistical error, but counting error like you said. Thanks for the correction.

Posted by: aaron at May 24, 2004 at 06:58 AM

That 138,000 is just for New York.

Posted by: aaron at May 24, 2004 at 07:07 AM

In the USA, a "majority" in elections requires 51% of the votes cast, what's called a simple majority.

Not that it reflects anything on your post, but IIRC a majority in the US is defined as 50% + 1, not 51%.

Of course, I could be wrong, and if so, I apologize.

Posted by: david at May 24, 2004 at 11:23 AM

Hmmmmm, david, you could be right. I didn't look it up, and used my memory. But 50% + 1 doesn't change my point -- it just shaves things a little closer.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at May 24, 2004 at 11:59 AM

angie schultz you're a better writer than a hundred lying leftie morons put together (sounds like michael moore!) recycling their same tired old politics-of-envy anti-everything-american mantras

they haven't had an original idea in years

Posted by: ilibcc at May 24, 2004 at 12:33 PM

Richard: the link works fine.

All: our labyrinthine presidential election system was put in place to confuse our enemies and entertain our friends. So far it seems to be working.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at May 24, 2004 at 12:43 PM

Hey Jeffs
Seriously, I can only understand this if I assume that these characters hate western civilization so much that tearing it down is all that matters, even if they themselves fall in the process. A sickness beyond description.

John J Ray notes in his monograph on leftism here that a study (I think in britain) noted that people were willing to destroy anothers seemingly greater wealth, even if it meant a cost in wealth to themselves that would be, if continued, devastating.

Posted by: RhikoR at May 24, 2004 at 01:01 PM

Thank you for the link, RhikoR. It's VERY long, and I've read a small part, but Ray does a good job of describing the Left (and the Right) in it.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at May 24, 2004 at 01:23 PM

Just speculating, but I think Julian Nimio probably adored Bill Clinton even though Clinton only received 43% of the vote.

Posted by: perfectsense at May 24, 2004 at 05:29 PM