March 25, 2004


Noam Chomsky is Turning the Tide at his brand new blog. Three posts so far; no links. Here’s a sample of online Noamish wisdom:

People in the more civilized sectors of the world (what we call "the third world," or the "developing countries") often burst out laughing when they witness an election in which the choices are two men from very wealthy families with plenty of clout in the very narrow political system, who went to the same elite university and even joined the same secret society to be socialized into the manners and attitudes of the rulers, and who are able to participate in the election because they have massive funding from highly concentrated sectors of unaccountable power that cast over society the shadow called "politics," as John Dewey put it.

Boring! Much livelier copy is available from Noam’s commenters:

My old friend Noam! On behalf of all the terrorists, genocidal dictators and child abusers who you have dedicated your life to supporting: Welcome to the Blogosphere!

But beware, there is true democracy here. Only a man like you can put it down. Help us. Post your wonderful speeches.


Posted by Yasser at March 24, 2004 10:22 PM

(Via reader David)

UPDATE. It ain’t easy being Noam. Just ask reader Noam Rotenberg:

Please continue to mock, insult and fisk Noam Chomsky. Or to use his nonsense, please deconstruct his presuppositions, oil geopolitics, paradigms, hegemony ... yada yada yada.

But would you be so kind as to consider referring to him as Chomsky instead of by his first name? Please note my first name. All my life, after I introduce myself, people first say "Noah? Like the Ark?", and then once they're corrected, they say "Ah, like Chomsky". One insensitive friend even calls me 'Chomsky'. Imagine how that makes me feel! You used the term 'Noamish wisdom'. Hey, I visit your blog, and Damien's and Glenn's and Charles' almost daily, so I'd like to claim the term 'Noamish wisdom' for myself.

OK, so I'm not really that thin-skinned, but how many famous Noams are there in the world? There was a Noam who used to direct Barney Miller episodes, but that underrated show (with a cool theme song) is pretty much forgotten. Besides, he also directed Mr Belvedere. So, how about we make people with the surname Chomsky tainted by association instead of innocent people with the name Noam?

After all, those Chomskys are probably related to him. Unless you go all the way back to Exodus, I most certainly am not.

Posted by Tim Blair at March 25, 2004 04:19 PM

On a pure functionality purpose, the permanent link isn't working yet. Therefore it'll be a bit difficult to directly link to any blog post for fisking.

Posted by: BigFire at March 25, 2004 at 04:26 PM

WOW! One would think a professor of linguistics might be able to get there point across with better efficiency. How's that for a run-on sentence?

Posted by: Seppo at March 25, 2004 at 04:40 PM

So Bush, to Noam, is just as much a monocle-wearing, Eton-collared plutocrat as Kerry is. Bush with the Southern twang and the ranch-callused hands and the folksy, dick-swinging, elbow-tossing nicknames he gives colleagues. Bush the frat-boy choking on pretzels is Noam's idea of someone who's "socialized into the manners and attitudes of the rulers".

Boy, I'm glad I turned down that acceptance letter from MIT.

Posted by: Brian Tiemann at March 25, 2004 at 04:43 PM

the more civilised parts of the world??? Noam so crazy, he live in upside-down and back-to-front land.

Posted by: Monco at March 25, 2004 at 04:45 PM

The comments section of that blog has as much chance of surviving being bombarded as one written by Bush. The tinfoil hats will rush to fawn over Noam, and us RWDB will go there to troll.

Posted by: attila at March 25, 2004 at 04:51 PM

So Bush, to Noam, is just as much a monocle-wearing, Eton-collared plutocrat as Kerry is.

Not so. Chomsky is clearly referring to France.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 25, 2004 at 04:53 PM

Oh yeah.

In that case, I burst out laughing. :)

Posted by: Brian Tiemann at March 25, 2004 at 04:57 PM

In his comments section I really enjoyed the obscure sexual terms. Hilarious.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at March 25, 2004 at 05:05 PM

Noam Chomsky writes beautiful prose, delightful prose.

But he does not say anything.

Posted by: Louis at March 25, 2004 at 05:14 PM

Louis,yes he does. Pure self loathing crap from
a Socialist twat who owns much property and
many fine cars but hasn't moved to Cuba
and donated the proceeds of his garage sale to Unicef.

Interesting how so many leftys want to share so

Long as it's not theirs of course.

Posted by: fred at March 25, 2004 at 06:33 PM

From the Structural Adjustment posting: “The Treasury Department is part of the US government.” What sensational insight.

Posted by: perfectsense at March 25, 2004 at 06:42 PM

Chomsky in the blogosphere? Shit, has Chirac got one? I'd love to hear what gutless has to say.

Posted by: JR at March 25, 2004 at 06:42 PM

Made sense to me.

Guess it depends on how far up your rear your willing to shove your head to avoid truth.

Posted by: IXLNXS at March 25, 2004 at 06:58 PM


You diplomat, you.... :-)

Posted by: Louis at March 25, 2004 at 07:02 PM

I like how he quotes statistics and doesn't site the study that they came from or provide a link. Similarly he says "people in developing countries say" without providing any examples of specific people who have said such things. I guess if you're Noam Chomsky you don't need to be bothered with, you know, EVIDENCE to support your theories. Your genius should just be self-evident. [gag]

Posted by: Nicole at March 25, 2004 at 07:22 PM

IXLNXS, That's cos you have never lived in "One of the civilized sectors of the world. What we call the third world or the developing countries".

By the way, nice suntan.

OOPS sorry. I THOUGHT it was a suntan.

Posted by: fred at March 25, 2004 at 08:01 PM

"People in the more civilized sectors of the world"

Sectors of the world? As in Sector A4, beta quadrant? Oh well...

Still, this rather neatly sums up the worldview of the Chomskyites - the part of the world without indoor plumming, dentistry, and internet porn is "civilized", heh. It's amazing what a little Third-World worship can do to a man...

Regards, Döbeln

-Stabil som fan!

Posted by: Döbeln at March 25, 2004 at 08:06 PM

People, if the comments are slow, just be patient. I don't know why they act up, but don't click the button fifteen thousand times in your impatience to impart your wisdom to us.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at March 25, 2004 at 08:36 PM

And elections in Third World utopias are better how exactly?

Sure, you could improve US elections by tinkering around the edges (possibilities: preferential/ proportional/ compulsory voting, an independent electoral commission instead of partisan county officials, etc), but hell, overall the system works, and is light years ahead of most of the people's democracies that Chompers and his crew champion.

I mean, hell, hanging chads aren't ideal but they're a lot better than hangings in Chad.

Posted by: Noami Kleimpsky at March 25, 2004 at 08:48 PM

Andrea, it wasn't just that the comments were slow - the comments page didn't update at all. Well, it probably had, if I'd thought to reload the page. But it didn't look like it had.

Movable Type has one great fault: It is really slow at updating. And if a lot of people try to leave comments all at once, it gets really grindingly slow, and then times out.

Of course, since I know this, I should have known better than to click "Post" again...

Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 25, 2004 at 09:30 PM


heh. There is some funny stuff in the comments section. I assume he is referring to Noam writing a preface to a certain book. It won't be long until the comment section is disabled though. :(

Posted by: drscroogemcduck at March 25, 2004 at 09:37 PM

The system works?
In California, on referendums(because the State assembly wouldn't allow these issues to be heard), we voted down Drivers licences for illegal aliens. We voted down welfair and public health care for illegal aliens. We voted down bilingual ballots. We voted down property tax increases and made it a 2/3rds majority vote in the legislature for any new tax increases. We voted down increased funding for colleges(Cal's school system is the highest funded per student of any State, but our kids test scores are ranked 48th). We voted in term limits(to get rid of the dem dead wood). We voted to define marriage as being between a man and a woman.
All of these are proposals by, for, and from, the conservative side of politics. All of them passed handily.
Most of them were over turned by liberal progressive Judges, legislating from the bench. Some were countermanded by our State legislature,
Democrats who work against the will of the people.
We are told by our one sided media that California is a liberal progressive State.
No way is California going to vote for the GOP or Bush, according to the national pundits.
Yet we elected Arnold as Governor, and throw out the trade unions stooge Gray Davis. The second place finisher in the Governor's race was Tom McClintock (Rep State Senator Ca), a distant third was the Democrat Cruz Bustamante, who was Davis' Lt.
How could a State that always votes conservatively in referendum and recalls, be saddled with a preponderance of Dem. Senators and legislators?
It's called Gerrymandering.
The population centers send the most people to assembly, but have the lowest voter turn out. Due to the high proportion of illegal aliens and indigents, living in San Francisco and Los Angeles. Those people dont vote but they are counted when it is time to redraw district boundries. In effect, every Democrats vote carries the weight of five votes.

Posted by: Papertiger at March 25, 2004 at 10:00 PM

The best way for real democracy to occur is for Americans to actually follow their own constitution for once. Then prudent parents would have the money to choose which school wants to accept their money and child etc. etc. etc. etc.

The "welfare" (failure reward) state has no place in America and neither does income tax.

Posted by: Rob Read at March 25, 2004 at 10:28 PM

That sexopedia was informative. I give the comments section three days tops.

Posted by: Chris Valentine at March 26, 2004 at 12:06 AM

Noam Chomsky, long-time apologist for Pol Pot & the Khmer Rouge.

Posted by: ForNow at March 26, 2004 at 01:45 AM

ForNow - Correct you are sir. In fact here is a direct quote. Chomsky was then, is now, and will always be on the wrong side of history.

"The "slaughter" by the Khmer Rouge is a Moss-New York Times creation."
Noam Chomsky, Distortions at Fourth Hand, 1977

I for one welcome Chomsky the cockroach into the light of the blogsphere. Enjoy the stomping.

Posted by: Bizzy Halder at March 26, 2004 at 02:22 AM

The best comedy blog in the world. Just check the comments. Simply HILARIOUS.

Posted by: madne0 at March 26, 2004 at 02:32 AM

I'm not terribly concerned about the presidential candidates coming from the same alma mater. I'm much more concerned that now almost all professors come from the smae side of the political spectrum.

Frank Herbert (Dune) wrote that all governments become aristocracies over time. Whether through entrenched bureacracy, nepotism, or oligarchic coup, we wil tend to have an elite in positions of power.
As true as that might be, the frequent shifts of party and the judicial checks on the executive limit how far an aristocracy can grow in the US.

Posted by: Bleeding heart conservative at March 26, 2004 at 03:11 AM

I’ve never seen such high-quality trolling as at Chomsky’s Website. I didn’t know such fine trolling was possible. Except for the one who repeats the same phrases. The discussions of the sister-in-law & of horse recipes made me weep with laughter.

Posted by: ForNow at March 26, 2004 at 03:11 AM

"People in the more civilized sectors of the world (what we call "the third world," or the "developing countries") often burst out laughing when they witness an election in which the choices are two men.... " blah blah blah.

Laughing at their own tinpot dictator would get them a 7.62x39mm through the open mouth and out the back of the neck.

But in a very civilized way, no doubt.

Posted by: Dave S. at March 26, 2004 at 03:26 AM

While the comments Noam C. is getting are very funny, if he gets trolled too much his faithful will dismiss people who oppose Noam C.'s viewpoints. I hope the trolling doesn't last forever and some serious points can be made on his blog.

I give the guy credit for leaving his site as open as it is and leaving the comments alone. Some have said posts have been deleted, but those that remain are not pro-Noam C..

Posted by: Chris Josephson at March 26, 2004 at 04:35 AM

Hey, establish your individualism, Noam, by spelling yourself Gnoam and your attitude as Gnoamish. You could also start wearing a little seven dwarfs hat, grow a beard and sit on over-sized plastic mushrooms to underscore your approach to the importance of being Noam.

Posted by: Millie Woods at March 26, 2004 at 05:19 AM

Hey Tim, it seems to me that you're a genuine asshole. Is this true?

Second, in exactly how many lockers were you stuffed as a teen?

Keep up the good work.


Posted by: Tom at March 26, 2004 at 05:22 AM

I prefer to call him Numb Chumpsky

Posted by: Junkyard God at March 26, 2004 at 05:54 AM

Well, THAT didn't last Chumpsky's site down...or did he just fold due to the comments?

Posted by: Jeff at March 26, 2004 at 06:02 AM

Tom sounds like someone who has received far more than his share of wedgies. Bit of an anal fixation there in his "uplifting" comment.

Re: Chomsky's site. When he turns off Comments everybody be sure to hit other Lefty sites and let them all know that Noam couldn't take the heat.

Posted by: Billy Hank at March 26, 2004 at 06:08 AM

I wanted to post some smart-ass comments and the site is all forked up.

Can't you people play with the new puppy without crushing it?

Posted by: Junkyard God at March 26, 2004 at 06:18 AM

I was able to access Chomsky’s site & its comments sections, but the comment-posting windows have disappeared.

Posted by: ForNow at March 26, 2004 at 06:42 AM

Comments appear, but you can't post 'em. By my calculation (and I am an overprivileged white male living in one of the less civilized sectors of the world, so my numbers have clearly been influenced by Halliburton money and the Joos: buyer beware) that's 25 hours and 36 minutes of comments.

Gotta be some sort of record.

Posted by: Matt Moore at March 26, 2004 at 06:57 AM

are the chomskites fighting back? Free Republic has been down all day.

Posted by: superboot at March 26, 2004 at 07:10 AM

Paul Johnson in "Intellectuals" has got Chomsky's measure:

"By the mid-1980s, Chomsky's focus of attention had shifted from Vietnam to Nicaragua, but he had moved himself well beyond the point at which reasonable people were still prepared to argue with him seriously, thus repeating the sad pattern of Russell and Sartre. So yet another intellect, which once seemed to tower over its fellows, plodded away into the wasteland of extremism, rather as old Tolstoy set off, angry and incoherent, from Yasnaya Polyana. There seems to be, in the life of many millenarian intellectuals, a sinister climacteric, a cerebral menopause, which might be termed the Flight of Reason."

Posted by: walter plinge at March 26, 2004 at 07:18 AM

Man, I feel kinda sad to have missed the magic of the Noam Chomsky comments section.

Posted by: Sortelli at March 26, 2004 at 09:28 AM

People in the civilised world must also be laughing heartily at today's media release (see the Sydney Morning Herald site: of the 10 most corrupt and therefore richest leaders in the world: Suharto, Milosevic, Marcos, Duvalier, Mobutu, etc - all tinpot dictators of countries with the lowest GDP in the world.

Posted by: Freddyboy at March 26, 2004 at 09:41 AM

ForNow and Bizzy,

it seems Chomsky must have been an apologist for the US in 1977. Because this was around the same time Brzezinski was encouraging China and Thailand to help Pol Pot, the CIA was supplying arms to him, and WFP food aid was being directed to Khmer Rouge camps. The US also helped the KR keep the Cambodian UN seat, while the deputy director of the CIA (as a foreign policy adviser to Reagan) paid a visit and was warmly greeted.

Who would have thought Chomsky had such love for his preferred target's pet monster?

Seriously though, I'm not trying to defend his wilful blindness and hypocrisy, I just don't want you to make the same mistake. If Chomsky was a bad guy here, so must the US administrations have been.

Given the Iraq situation, it is ironic that the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia to depose a terroristic and genocidal regime in 1978, but that was "Soviet-backed aggression", not a humanitarian mission to liberate the people.

Posted by: fatfingers at March 26, 2004 at 10:06 AM

Heh, the comments posting link is gone, and the archives won't load. Methinks they're giving them a good old-fashioned socialist scrubdown followed by a nice coat of whitewash, so that only the "correct" attitudes come through.

Posted by: Michael at March 26, 2004 at 10:08 AM

'Turning the Tide'?

Even he thinks he's a lunatic.

Oh, nice yellow colour too.

Posted by: ilibcc at March 26, 2004 at 11:01 AM

You mentioned Reagan but you didn’t mention the then-President James Earl “Jimma” Carter who conducted that gruesome piece of realpolitik.

I never liked it that we supported the Khmer Rouge in any way. But we didn’t cover up the millions murdered. Chomsky clung to that for years. Then he turned & claimed that it wasn’t the Khmer Rouge’s fault & that the Khmer Rouge had done their ingenious best, by marching the city people into the countryside, to avoid even worse famine. Chomsky is a long-time apologist for Pol Pot & the Khmer Rouge.

Our realpolitik reasons for our WWII alliance with Stalin & the Soviets were certainly stronger than Carter’s realpolitik reasons for supporting the Khmer Rouge. But Chomsky has been an apologist for the Khmer Rouge just as any Stalinist for Stalin.

When Vietnam invaded Cambodia, it was officially denounced. But I remember well the tone of the time. People across the US political spectrum were glad.

Posted by: ForNow at March 26, 2004 at 11:34 AM

The brown shirts shut down free speech and decent discussion again.

Posted by: IXLNXS at March 26, 2004 at 01:34 PM

You're a conversation stopper par excellence.

Doesn't take a brown shirt.

Posted by: ilibcc at March 26, 2004 at 01:46 PM

The late Frank Knopfelmacher used to say: "One Noam Chomsky doesn't make a sewer."

Posted by: Sue at March 26, 2004 at 01:54 PM

What the crap are you talking about, "brown shirts?" Don't you have Superman to annoy or something?

Posted by: Big Dog at March 26, 2004 at 02:06 PM

People in the more civilized sectors of the world (what we call "the third world," or the "developing countries") often burst out laughing when they witness an election in which the choices are two men from very wealthy families with plenty of clout in the very narrow political system...

Western dogs, I laugh at you! Why have two men on the ballot, when only one is needed, as only one will win? Another example of bloated Western capitalism!

Posted by: Timothy Lang at March 26, 2004 at 02:16 PM

Get it while you can...Google's cache of Noam's blog includes the comments. Of course they could cache the "new-improved-commentless" version at any time.

Posted by: Timothy Lang at March 26, 2004 at 02:29 PM

For those so interested, I've archived the 5 sets of comments here.

Posted by: david at March 26, 2004 at 03:16 PM

Oh, man! I just read a few "articles" and scanned through some of the archived posts from that silly blog. Amazing.

Too bad the comment sections didn't last a few more hours, perhaps The Great Man (if you don't believe that, just ask him!) would have deigned to answer a few questions. Finally.

Posted by: JeffS at March 26, 2004 at 03:43 PM

How delightful! Reading through those crazed comments I found Mr. IXLNIX himself agreeing with Noam Chompskin's claim that the "third world" was the "more civilized" part of the world.

And now IXWITZ is crying that drooling spammers crushed Noam's blog comments by out-IXLNITZing IXLWIX himself.

Good times.

Posted by: Sortelli at March 26, 2004 at 04:28 PM

Thanks to Dave for the public service he is performing in saving those threads.

Posted by: ForNow at March 26, 2004 at 05:07 PM

That guy ought to change his name to Gnome. Then when people say "Like Chomsky?", he can say "No, like that little dweeb in Lord of the Rings."

Posted by: Canadian Headhunter at March 27, 2004 at 12:35 AM