November 24, 2003


Australia has worked hard in recent years to build up crucial stocks of shame, great shame, shame australia shame, and shame shame shame, only to find ourselves outshamed by the common French:

The Ministry of the Interior reports that during the first eight months of this year it has expelled some 22,000 foreign nationals who were living in France without authorisation. This was 12% up on the same period last year. They were mainly North Africans (Algerians, Tunisians and Moroccans), Chinese, Iraquis, Senegalese, Turks and Pakistanis. Among them, 7,162 holding no resident permits were sent back to their native countries, 7,342 were refused entry, and 7,459 were sent back to other EU countries, using the procedure laid down in the Schengen convention.

How can we possibly compete with those numbers? I’m ashamed.

Posted by Tim Blair at November 24, 2003 02:15 AM

How can you compete? Try changing the name of your country to the United States of Australia (USA). We did that a few years back and since we recently expelled two people our entire ensamble of civil rights has disappeared, so the French say.

Posted by: Charles at November 24, 2003 at 04:23 AM

Got any figures for kids held indefinitely behind barbed wire in France? Got any independent assessments condirming children are undergoing state-sponsored brutalisation under lock and key in France?

Got any stats for how many foreign nationals (like Brits, for instance) are living in Australia without authorisation?

You should be ashamed.

Posted by: Miranda Divide at November 24, 2003 at 06:13 AM

Right on Miranda. What is it with Mr Cut and Paste.

All he does is chop out one graph from a larger story and tries to paint a picture slanted to whatever it is that Mr Cut and Paste wants to give a new spin to.

Guess he's learnt nothing since his days at the Truth (Australia's low-rent version of the National Enquirer for our American friends and those in Sydney who have never been south of the "Bridge")

Nonetheless I have no intention of defending the French Govt. They are as much a bunch of scum bags as the American, the British and Australian governments.

I don't get it with Blair. For a so called Libertarian he sure shows fawning favour wrapped in vacuous praise to one group of government scum bags, while laying in to another group as if they are the only such scum in the world.

This goes to heart of why Blair is not a Libertarian - be it a right or left wing version.

At the end of the day Blair is the perfect example of the proto Fascist - all it needs is a very nasty leader to fully activate it, and you have instantashithead (TM) ready to kick heads via their "elite" positions of influence in the media.

Oh that's right having a column in Australia's leading political weekly is not an elite position from which to speak. Whereas Robert Manne having a column in The Age or Margo Kingston with the SMH - marks them both out as card carrying members of the elite.

Where does your hypocrisy stop at Blair?

Up The Trolls!

Posted by: crock of tim at November 24, 2003 at 06:47 AM

Oooh, look, it's Mr. "Big Hawk" aka "White Bread" aka "zMit" aka "labor pimp" and now, "crock of tim," back among us. His IP this time is What, no mention of lunch?

Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 24, 2003 at 06:55 AM

Since you're so interested Miranda, you could try the Paris-based International Observatory of Prisons (OIP). They might give you more information. They recently released a report on the state of French prisons. Apparently, the scandal started "after the top doctor of La Sante prison in Paris wrote a graphic book describing living conditions there. The less savory details included lice-filled mattresses, twice-weekly showers for prisoners, and detainees so depressed or deranged they swallowed rat poison or forks." No hard numbers on the kids, in particular any that may be behind barbed wire, although "Eighty percent of juveniles who are incarcerated return to prison," said Carlier, of the prison observatory, "which is a worse rate of second-offender than for adults." Anyway, it's somewhere for you to start.

Posted by: scott h. at November 24, 2003 at 06:58 AM

Hey crock!! You know the first person to call another a fascist/nazi loses. You lose!

Posted by: Rob at November 24, 2003 at 08:22 AM

MY GOD! Such cruelty! Imagine forcing anyone French to have 2 showers per week! The pack will not recognise them.

Oh the shame...

Posted by: Paul Johnson at November 24, 2003 at 08:49 AM

Miranda, you're a nitwit. Will you kindly actually take a look at reality instead of just reading your latest edition of the Commie Rag?

I mean, I shudder to think of what is actually within your plank-like skull.

Posted by: ushie at November 24, 2003 at 08:51 AM

When a story (such as “Illegal immigrants
ejected”) is in a frame with a different URL than appears in your browser window, you can find the URL thus:

Right-click somewhere in the text of the story.
On the resultant pop-up menu, click on Properties.
Copy the URL that you see there. Said URL’s looks can be deceptive. Be sure to copy all of it by highlighting it & dragging the mouse downward a little in case some of it is out of view (you’ll see what I mean when such a URL is long).

Then curse all leftists, & proceed to paste the URL into the link.

Posted by: ForNow at November 24, 2003 at 08:58 AM

Once agian Miranda uses the "fkip/flop" technique of argument. Unfortunately, Miranda, this technique is the technique of the school girl, not of the serious debater. Who gives a flying fart if children are behind bars? I don't. Blame their stupid parents, don't blame us.

Let me put this as simply as I can. There are about 20 million people in Asia just waiting to see how we deal with the illegal immigrant issue. If we are seen as a soft touch, a great many of these people will be on their way to these shores on the next leaky boat they can find. Do we really want that? I suppose you do, Miranda, because you appear to really hate our way of life in Australia. The irony is of course that if Australia were swamped with waves of illegal immigrants, they would not be government- loving lefties knitting their own yoghurt. They would probably be of the more extreme religions which stand against everything the lefty holds dear. That's the lovely irony of course: your typical lefty seems to almost revel in kowtowing and giving in to vicious types who would enslave women and kill all homosexuals if they could.

There is a very strange psychic masochism involved in the left wing mindset that eally needs to be investigated. I think it has something to do with a warped sense of Christianity. Left wing theories have very little basis in reality. They are more akin to faith than fact. I get the impression that some one who a hundred yeras ago would have been an evangelical Christian is now the sort of person who is now a die-hard lefty. Guilt is the basic emotion that these people thrive upon. Thus, their need to undermine all institutions and authority. Thier own way of life is abhorrent to them, even whilse they take every advantage of its benefits. Very sick these people.

Posted by: toryhere at November 24, 2003 at 09:09 AM

Andrea's such a hot shit cyber queen. She could easily get a job at ASIO with her vast array of hacker skills. Do you play with guns too, or is that just for hard core fanatics like Lisa Oldfield.

Posted by: crock of tim at November 24, 2003 at 09:29 AM

tim o'crock

time for lunch

Posted by: pooh at November 24, 2003 at 09:40 AM

Hey Toryhere. I thought this was Libertarian site. What the fuck is a retrograde Tory hanging around here. Got any righteous ideas to impose on the rest of us. Tories always know what's best for everyone. So let's hear some of your elitists ideas of what we should be doing with our time and money.

It's no wonder morons like you, root for Howard and Bush so much, as just like all Tories they like to spend spend spend. It's just they always fuck up the tax part. They either tax too much or forget to collect enough taxes for all the money Tories like to piss away on their latest elitist project that they dictate to the rest of us as being the latest priority to line the pockets of their Tory mates with.

Posted by: crock of tim at November 24, 2003 at 09:42 AM

Dear Mr crock of tim Troll ("Big Hawk" aka "White Bread" aka "zMit" aka "labor pimp"),

We are all sorry to learn that your life is so empty, friendless and boring that you feel the need to cry out for attention in this way. Try to think happy thoughts - may be you should take a big deep breath and go for a walk. Your computer is not a friend it is just a machine. Try to make a few friends instead of trying to aggravate people who have actual lives of their own.

Being a sad and pathetic troll can't really be very much fun.

Posted by: Russell at November 24, 2003 at 09:52 AM

Can people who weigh 700 lbs walk?

Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 24, 2003 at 10:22 AM

Hey Russell. It ain't me who spends all day at the computer writing crap on Shitville. That's Tim's full time job.

And besides without us Trolls what the fuck would be the point of operating a Troll Bait blog like Shitville.

I perform a critical function here at Shitville giving all you Howard and Bush voting morons something to bitch about.

Or does Tim just want to run a mutual masturbation society for his favourite morons to get off on, as they bitch about the latest petty outrage of someone not thinking correctly according to those who decide what is politically right.

Tim Blair sets the standard of crap on this site, and I'm just the anti matter to that crap.

Still crap - just a different version of crap.

Up the Trolls!

Posted by: crock of tim at November 24, 2003 at 10:31 AM

I guess that the answer is "no."

Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 24, 2003 at 10:38 AM

Dear Mr crock of tim Troll ("Big Hawk" aka "White Bread" aka "zMit" aka "labor pimp"),

Have you ever TRIED not being a troll?

Is being a pathetic screamer for attention the highest thing you can aspire to in your life? Perhaps, just perhaps, if you stopped being pathetic you might just find someone that didn't treat you with contempt.

I've never really understood how someone could be so desperate for attention that they would deliberately call out for abuse, just so that someone, anyone would pay attention to me.

I have three sons, one of which is just less than a year old - he tries to draw with the poop in his nappies. His form of expression seems so much more mature than yours.

Posted by: Russell at November 24, 2003 at 10:58 AM

"If we are seen as a soft touch."

No, no one sees incarcerating and brutalising refugees and children for domestic political gain as being a soft-touch.

"a great many of these people will be on their way to these shores on the next leaky boat they can find."

So what. It's a fucking rich country, it can fucking afford it. You live in a selfish dream. Why haven't the 20 million hordes arrived in Darwin at anytime in the last 50 years?

So tough. So tough kicking those most vulnerable when they're in need. Check your own kids into Baxter next time you want spent some quality time with the little woman. I'm sure Howard and crew - being decent, ordinary Australians themselves - wouldn't really condone gulag-style conditions in an OECD country that's going "gangbusters".

And Toryhere why aren't you jumping up and down about the queue jumpers whove gotten the green light to stay in God's Own Mother-fucking Cuuntry all for a lazy $10k donation to the Liberal PArty or a new set of first day covers posted in a brown paper bag to one Philip Ruddock? Never any mention of that.

Posted by: Miranda Divide at November 24, 2003 at 11:03 AM

Dear Ms Miranda Divide Troll

I see you still feel the need to draw attention to the emptiness of your life. I am sorry that you have so little that you must stand in cyberspace and scream "Pay attention to me!!" with such little effect.

You are a sad little person that wants to scream - that is your right. But all it does is make us feel a sort of sad pity for you. Does your desire for attention gain much from our meagre pity. Your contempt for us draw so little to you - you are simply a null, an emptiness and a sink for our pity.

Posted by: Russell at November 24, 2003 at 11:23 AM

Miranda, the left still refuses to acknowledge, and seemingly, even to understand, the mainstream Australian position on migrants.

Australia is one of the world's most generous and welcoming nations. We love our migrants. And because we do, we don't insult those who value this country enough to enter in the correct way, by allowing to stay those who paid a pirate to illegally drop them off in Australia on his way past in a dangerous boat.

Australia's policy on illegal immigration both protects our borders and stops human piracy.

It's a shame other countries are not as humane.

Posted by: ilibcc at November 24, 2003 at 11:39 AM

How do lefties like crock and Miranda survive holding contradictory viewpoints without their heads exploding from the feedback loop?

"USA and Australia are racist, fascist states!"

"And it's criminal to deny all those people entry!"

Jesus Christ, commies build walls to keep their own people from leaving and trash capitalist republics for not letting enough people in, all while proclaiming the supiority of their own failed system. Yep, it's a religion all right - inconsisent, often contradictory beliefs unsupported by empirical evidence.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 24, 2003 at 01:07 PM

I'm sorry Miranda, but these people choose to make themselves vulnerable and in need. They break the law by trying to enter the country illegally.

The country is not big and rich enough for 20 million more people to come here. Of course you just want to give it all away to foreigners because you obviously don't have a stake in it. As I said, I think you are suffrering from "white middle class guilt" to such a degree that you cannot see that most of us like our country and wish to preserve its culture. Of course in your warped weltanschaunng, all cultures but ours are worthy of respect. Fortunately, most Australians know better.

And just because a few illegal immigrants are getting through, that doesn't mean that we should be shouldn't try to keep out those we can keep out.

Posted by: toryhere at November 24, 2003 at 02:34 PM

What a bunch of idiot trolls. Your clue phones are ringing off the hook, but you're too busy wasting Tim's bandwidth to answer.

Posted by: Big Dog at November 24, 2003 at 05:51 PM

You're full of it, Crocky.

Just another resentment-driven no hoper, whose envy of Tim's blog shines from every crude post. Visiting here for the same bent urges that prompt street losers to key a car they secretly want, more than anything in the world. Instead of wasting your days railing at your betters, why not get with the program? Us freedom-loving conservatives have hearts as big as the great outdoors, and the door is always open for someone who wants to be a part of the winning team. But you have to *want* to change. A good start would be, admitting you're a twerp. Now, fess up, we'll take things from there, and support your liberal deprogramming every step of the way. Cheers, Byron

Posted by: Byron the Aussie at November 25, 2003 at 07:54 AM

Miranda, can I help with your confusion?

Allowing international crime syndicates to load leaky boats with the desperate is not compassion, it's homicidal. That kind of thinking has led to rafts of corpses, drifting in the Timor Sea. They deserve a memorial on the Rowley Shoals, 'murdered by Labor', a la Katyn Forest. But in lieu of that, can you let us know how many more drowned you'll you accept, if it means a chance to score a few points against Howard? Thanks in advance, Byron

Posted by: Byron the Aussie at November 25, 2003 at 08:04 AM

Not a lot of action on the people smuggling front from the howard government and the department of immigration when it comes to the trade in sex slaves from thailand and china. Of course the Sydney daily telegraph - paper of choice for those who are "tough on border protection" - is more than happy to print pages of classifieds ads for "Asian" brothels. Not much talk of THAT illegal trade in human misery on the low mongrel blogmire.

Posted by: Miranda Divide at November 25, 2003 at 09:56 AM

Miranda's compassion for the human race is an example to us all.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 25, 2003 at 11:09 AM

No, no comments from the brainstrust on illegal immigration via sex slave traders. No, I thought not.

Posted by: Miranda Divide at November 27, 2003 at 05:13 AM