August 28, 2003


Just a reminder: the Magnificent 19 Conference, to be held in London on September 11, is not a celebration. Oh, no no no. Whatever would give anyone that idea?

Posted by Tim Blair at August 28, 2003 02:01 AM

I'm glad they cleared that up. One might have gotten the wrong impression from the following text, copied from their "Magnificent 19" page:

Almost two years on from September the 11th 2001 the world embraces itself for another anniversary. Many Muslims worldwide will be celebrating the comeuppance of the USA in what they see as retribution for the atrocities that the US has committed, and indeed continues to commit, against Muslims.

Posted by: Ernie G at August 28, 2003 at 02:20 AM

"They will also be praying for the reverberations to continue until the eradication of all man-made law and the implementation of divine law in the form of the Khilafah - carrying the message of Islam to the world and striving for Izhar ud-Deen i.e. the total domination of the world by Islam."

Religion of peace, huh?

Posted by: PortugueseGuy at August 28, 2003 at 02:33 AM

whew! i was concerned for a second there

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2003 at 03:06 AM

And, of course, all this nonsense occurs in a Western country that gives them that freedom. Sometimes it's hard to imagine there are people among us who are so utterly incapable of reconciling perception with reality.

Posted by: chip at August 28, 2003 at 03:34 AM

how genuine is this? is it 3 or four fuckups, or a web hoax? or is it going to be a big conference? i read about it on Samizdata (like a lot of your recent posts i've been noticing :)

Seems a bit unreal that it would really be happening in London, on September 11 2003. Anyone got any further information?

Posted by: Tom at August 28, 2003 at 04:02 AM

"To claim the false claim that the event on the 11th September 2003 is going to be a celebration, is refuted by the fact hat the Muslims only celebrate two days, Eid ul Fitr and Eid ul Adha, any other celebration is an innovation as far as Islam is concerned."

An irrefutable fact and an unassailable argument, ayup. Am now embarrassed and ashamed that I ever saw the event as a celebration.

Posted by: L. Ron Muhammad at August 28, 2003 at 04:15 AM

I think it's probably genuine. I saw a CBS news piece and it had the "Magnificent 19" webmaster in it.

London is an absolute hotbed of al-Qaeda sympathizers. We got a hold of Osama's satellite phone records and the overwhelming majority of the calls were made to England. In "See No Evil", Robert Baer described the books he saw in the Arab parts of London as worse than he saw in Saudi Arabia. Then there's the Finsbury Park Mosque...

Posted by: scott h. at August 28, 2003 at 04:19 AM


I called the "venue details" number. Interesting, to say the least. Theres a story in this if a blogger can be bothered.

Anyone with a minute or two spare and happy to make a UK call, give em a buzz. The number to call is +44 7956 950 124

Posted by: Tom at August 28, 2003 at 04:23 AM

And the thing is that they don't even bother to make sure the nasty stuff is in Arabic. You can get Islamo-Nazi newspapers in English that say this kind of stuff. I think the poster could be considered gloating.

Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge at August 28, 2003 at 04:29 AM

It says al-muhajiroun at the bottom of the page, which if I remember correctly is a real group in the UK and led by some red-haired Syrian who collects welfare. He and abu-hamza pretty well have the run of the country. The only reason I can think of why the police allows this is that monitoring the groups gives them more info about terror than would shutting them down. At least that's what I'd like to believe. This is after all the same country now giving Taliban members asylum because they're no longer welcome in Afghanistan. The Times had a rich quote from one of them -- who had just been given an apartment courtesy of the govt -- in which he said he still considers the UK and US his enemy. La di da

Posted by: chip at August 28, 2003 at 04:36 AM

"To claim the false claim that the event on the 11th September 2003 is going to be a celebration, is refuted by the fact hat the Muslims only celebrate two days, Eid ul Fitr and Eid ul Adha, any other celebration is an innovation as far as Islam is concerned."

This ranks with the "we can't be anti-semites, becuase we're semites (but we do think that all the Jews should be killed)" arguement. So it can't be a celebration - "good muslims only celebrate day-o-fritter and day-o-atta (but raise a couple on sept. 11 for killin some office workers-but no celebrating)."

Posted by: LB at August 28, 2003 at 05:17 AM

This strikes me as a good opportunity for a joint British/US test of the new low yield nuclear cruise missles.

Think of it as urban renewal/evolution in action.

Posted by: Gary Utter at August 28, 2003 at 06:09 AM

here's what gets me...aren't these the peace-loving muslims? they are obviously allowed within england...but did anybody read the next page? they pray for more "martyrdom" suicide bomb-wars in order to view the collapse of the U.S. and totally take over the earth. peaceful religion...riiight.

Posted by: ricky d at August 28, 2003 at 06:56 AM

A similar Islamofascist group attracted 2000 people to a conference in Birmingham last week. They were described as equivalent to the neo-nazi British National Party by a local (Muslim) MP.

The BBC Newsnight programme ran a long item on how they try to infiltrate student groups and mosques -

Go to the video link as well to see this item.

Posted by: JohninLondon at August 28, 2003 at 06:57 AM

The magnificent 19 - are they going to make a movie out of it? I can just see some of the cast:

Comical Ali as Martyr Pilot #1 (Susan Saradon playing his distraut but supporting wife - no need for makeup she dons the Burkha throughout the movie thankfully) Best line: "this is your captain speaking. Soon we will be landing safely in Manhattan."

George Gallaway as crowd control martyr (knifing defenseless Flight attendants is his forte)

Robert Fisk as hapless but deluded hostage with a terminal case of Stockholme Syndrome - even before they highjacked the plane he was in love with them.

I hope that I am not right on this.....

Posted by: Rob at August 28, 2003 at 10:12 AM

It still sounds like a hoax to me. I would check and recheck before I published anything. There's no point in making yourself into fodder for David Marr.

Posted by: Alex Hidell at August 28, 2003 at 10:32 AM

Would it be wrong if some westerners held a "50 Megatons Over Mecca" conference?

Posted by: Bruce at August 28, 2003 at 01:57 PM

"The Magnificent 19"? Are you out of your mind? We're already paying a fortune just for McQueen. Cut it down to 7.

Posted by: Louis B. Mayer at August 28, 2003 at 07:14 PM

can we get kurosawa to direct it?

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 29, 2003 at 04:05 AM

Shut up, Bingley! My lawyers say it's a "homage", whatever the hell that is, and not a "remake", so I don't have to give that jap bastard a fucking dime.

Posted by: Louis B. Mayer at August 29, 2003 at 04:59 AM

I left something fairly rude on their answering service. And thanks to the joy of caller ID, they now have my number. Oops.

Posted by: Michael Jennings at August 29, 2003 at 08:39 AM

"cinema sampling", eh?

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 29, 2003 at 01:34 PM

Al-Muhajirun are a small minority of Muslims whose voice is heard above the majority of moderate law abiding Muslims because ignorant people cannot be bothered to find out the true message that Islam really portrays but instead they believe the extremists and therefore put all Muslims in the same category. The rest of the Muslims who condem the actions of such groups are then left to justify their beliefs to the west. Then you wonder why west has to ask itself why the Muslims hate them? Would the west liked it if we categorised them all as being Nazis, Imperialists, Communists or members of the KKK? Yes ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE and you would find that out if you could be bothered to research on it and seek out the truth for yourself.

Posted by: Muslim at August 31, 2003 at 08:58 AM