July 30, 2003


This week’s Continuing Crisis column for The Bulletin mentions John Donne, Uday Hussein, Qusay Hussein, Matthew Jeffery, Justin Fleming, James Zala, James Oakes, Peter Bradley, Saddam Hussein, Alaa Hamed, Anne Summers, Gina Wilkinson, Nick Grimm, Ralph Peters, John Howard, Mick Jagger, Bob Dylan, Marianne Faithfull, George W. Bush, Chris Jagger, Bob Howard, Keith Richards, Peter Costello, and Janette Howard.

Posted by Tim Blair at July 30, 2003 05:28 AM

I can't believe someone is actually wondering how the killing of the Hussein boys is different from the terrorist acts we have seen in the last three years.

I hear a lot from our friends on the left these days, but I have to confess this one I just don't understand. At all. It drives me to despair that there are people out there who can't tell the difference between a crazy religious crackpot slitting the throat of an airline flight attendent before taking over the plane and slamming into a building full of thousands of people and the death by military operation of upper echelon fascist state leaders.

I'm serious. I simply do not understand these people.

Posted by: KevinV at July 30, 2003 at 09:12 AM

Hi Tim

Mich Jagger's band was named after a line in a Muddy Waters song (I think it might have been called "Manchild" or something like that)Bob Dylans song written well after the Stones started to achieve mainstream popularity probably had the same source. Certainly Dylan would have been aware of the Stones when he wrote that song. Perhaps confessed Dylan tragic, Professor Bunyip, can correct the pair of us here.

Posted by: James Hamilton at July 30, 2003 at 12:04 PM

I know, James -- just aiming for a joke, and couldn't fit "name is the same as the title of a Bob Dylan song" in the line.

Posted by: tim at July 30, 2003 at 12:21 PM

I know Kevin V, im the token ranting lefty around here yet I agree with you. No tears from me over that particular summary execution. I've ranted on about the right to a trial elsewhere on this site, but it has to be said there is a fair difference between some misguided screwed up religious nut fighting for a group he believes in on some of the most disputed soil on earth, and a privileged powerful unabashed dictator ('s son) with extensive form for crimes against humanity.

Posted by: sphincter at July 30, 2003 at 02:00 PM

B. Jones, C. Watts, M. Jagger and K. Richards, as a tribute to Muddy Waters, called their band the Rolling Stones after the Muddy Waters song of that name.

They were previously known as Blues, Inc.

Posted by: rosto at July 30, 2003 at 02:32 PM


You're still missing the point. The Brothers Hussein were NOT summarily executed. They chose to enter a contest of shooting skills versus the United States Army's vaunted 101st Air Borne and they (predictably) lost.

But at least they had a choice and life is a constant source of elections, as everyone from Christ to Sartre reminds us.

The innocents of 9/11, Bali, etc., were never offered the option to opt out.

And I think if you are offered the choice as a society, a nation, a civilization and you opt out, then and only then do you deserve death and Tim and the majority of posters here choose life.

Must be a lot of Frankie Goes To Hollywood fans here (obscure '80's reference) but there you are.
We're gonna fight those shitbags to the death and you can watch passively from the sidelines.

Posted by: JDB at July 30, 2003 at 02:34 PM

"Such relish in revenge wounds our national psyche".
What a pompous wanker.
This is one of the staple cliches of the anti-death-penalty people, too, ie. "we debase ourselves when we kill a human being, however vicious he/she is".
Well, killing, executing, pulverising some deserving monsters actually heals the national psyche.
When worms like the Saddam brothers are shot to pieces, justice is achieved, or at least, approximated.

Posted by: skinny hippo at July 30, 2003 at 03:58 PM

It's not "revenge" anyway. It's the pleasure taken in seeing evil eradicated. Should we all be sad that the rape centers are no more? And that the men who ran them are no more? Who are these people and what is it about evil they don't understand? Do they think it doesn't exist?


Posted by: KevinV at July 30, 2003 at 04:46 PM

'heals the national psyche'
'seeing evil eradicated'

The left doesn't like this, but these are eternal truths.

There is no greater crime than to allow a wronged individual to remain in the belief that the society in which he lives does not care to redress the wrongs that he alone suffered.

Posted by: ilibcc at July 30, 2003 at 05:13 PM

>> "...Tim and the majority of posters here choose life.

Must be a lot of Frankie Goes To Hollywood fans here (obscure '80's reference) but there you are."

That would be an obscure 80s "Wham!" reference, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Big Ramifications at July 30, 2003 at 05:36 PM

Would anyone except a few hand-wringers who drink their own bathwater feel anything but a sense of justice done if the Murphy brothers (Anita Cobby) got their right whack in Long Bay?

Posted by: Habib Bickford at July 30, 2003 at 05:46 PM

Allah Akbar with the mighty Habib.

And isn't going to be sweet when those tunnel c**ted puss dripping whores who bombed Bali swing, or get shot, or however they are removed.

I am looking forward to that too!

Posted by: Razor at July 30, 2003 at 09:04 PM

I reckon a fund-raiser for the ammo.

Posted by: Habib Bickford at July 30, 2003 at 10:45 PM

Nitpick - are you sure it was the American Psychological Association? I thought those quotes were from that goofy Berkeley study. Even the APA isn't _that_ politicized (yet).

Posted by: Dave S. at July 31, 2003 at 02:29 AM

Big Ram,

You are correct, sir. My bad.

Posted by: JDB at July 31, 2003 at 02:36 AM

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
-- Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: mojo at August 1, 2003 at 06:05 AM