Tim Blair

WHO'S afraid of Mr. Moore?

The phrase "Not in my name" comes to mind.

I've come across people (regulars, not trolls) on LGF who think that the Bush family is too soft on the house of Saud because of oil and that the Bin Laden family were whisked away like Moore suggested.

Michael Moore is a millionaire. Round him up and deport him. He demands it.

Maybe he could hand himself over to the Cuban authorities.

It's funny that Michael Moore wants to say "3,000 killed by multi-millionaire".

At one time Moore argued that O. J. Simpson was innocent because a millionaire wouldn't risk his life or liberty to kill someone when he could just buy something or someone better.

Now El Blob is saying that millionaires like bin Laden are willing to kill. I think he needs to explain his change of heart.

I'd be all for profiling millionaires if the GODDAMNED HIJACKERS IN 9/11 WERE FUCKING MILLIONAIRES. But guess what "Keiko"...They weren't. The only thing that linked them was the fact that they were *gasp* ARAB MUSLIMS.

2. What is the 'special relationship' between the Bushes and the Saudi royal family?

Does Micky imply that foreign investors in the US are Bush's fault? I still remember Carter being blamed for that and every president since. Probably earlier presidents too but I'm too young to remember that.

...do you think the headline the next day might have read, "NORTH KOREA ATTACKS UNITED STATES"? Of course it would.

It's proof enough for lefties I guess.

The best thing I can say about FatBoy's most recent entry is that it will be about as useful to the average citizen as the rest of it. He's making a ton by pandering to a crowd that's so far out of it that it's pathetic. Tinfoil in the hat isn't enough, they need full lead shielding. It probably does keep them off the streets, however.

I'm never sure what impact Blobbo thinks he's having with his screeds, but not even my most lefty students seem to find him particularly useful.

Oy, will the Afghan pipedream never die.

I don’t know why El Blobo needs to ask Bush about the Unocal pipeline, there is plenty of information available online. Or in Unocal’s annual reports during those years the project was being shopped around.

At least Blobo did get the product right, natural gas, unlike so many fruitcakes who claim the reason for the Afghan war was a crude oil pipeline.

Regarding the pipeline, my question for the multi-millionaire Moore is:

Other than Unocal earning money building the pipeline; how would said pipeline benefit the United States?

Especially that there are no west coast North American LNG/LPG import terminals. There is an export terminal in Alaska, where LNG/LPG is shipped to Japan.

Hmmm. So, 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian. Ergo, Saudi Arabia attacked the US.

Lessee, if a Nationalist unit had attacked near Madrid, back in the 1930s, they might have captured some Abraham Lincoln brigade members. All of them would have been Americans. Were Americans at war with the Nationalists in Spain?

There were Soviet advisors helping Vietnamese man AAA and SAM sites that shot down American pilots over Vietnam. Was the Soviet Union at war with the United States?

The IRA has received funding from Libya (among others). I don't suppose Mikey thinks that Libya's at war w/ the UK?

And, if the US HAD taken Mikey at his word, and actually invaded and occupied Saudi Arabia, any bets on where Mikey would have stood on that invasion? Think he would've voice support? Or would he have bleated louder his cry from September 12, 2001, "You should have killed Bush supporters!"

I nearly spronged my desk over when I read the suggestion to deport the Moore-man. Then I thought, "well, where's a humane place to send him"? That's a hard one...

Then I decided, "No, it's not hard at all". I'm sure France will welcome him with open arms. Moore-man will look well in those bras.

I'm all for rounding up a few multi-millionaires: Osama, Saddam, Yasser Arafat, Castro . . .

A major chunk of the American economy is built on Saudi money. They have a trillion dollars invested in our stock market and another trillion dollars in our banks. If they chose suddenly to remove that money, our corporations and financial institutions would be sent into a tailspin, causing an economic crisis the likes of which has never been seen.

As would the Saudi's portfolio, you clueless jackass. But it goes without saying that Michelin Man wouldn't have an inkling about what happens to the price of a financial instrument when a significant chunk is liquidated.

George, what were you thinking? What did that look on your face mean?

Were you thinking you should have taken reports the CIA had given you the month before more seriously? You had been told al-Qaida was planning attacks in the United States and that planes would possibly be used.

Or were you just scared shitless?

Or was he trying to refrain himself from a panicked leap from his chair and gibbering, "Oh god, the world is ending, the terrorists have taken over, where's Laura, where are the girls, oh god, let it end, just let it end...". 'Cause that would have scared the little kiddies, ya know. No, apparently Mr. Moore *doesn't* know as it would defy logic to suppose that little kiddies would even come near such an evil ogre, thus denying him the opportunity to learn a little something called "child psychology". Moron.

The headlines blared it the first day and they blare it the same way now two years later: "Terrorists Attack United States." Terrorists. I have wondered about this word for some time, so, George, let me ask you a question: if 15 of the 19 hijackers had been North Korean, rather than Saudi, and they had killed 3,000 people, do you think the headline the next day might have read, "NORTH KOREA ATTACKS UNITED STATES"?

How in the f*ck would Bush know the answer to that question? He doesn't own any newspapers and is not telepathic. Apparently, Mr. Moore's bluster is a cover for his hero worship...

2. What is the 'special relationship' between the Bushes and the Saudi royal family?

Apparently, Mr. Moore has uncovered proof that the Saudi's began investing in U.S. financial markets beginning January 20, 2001 under special terms negotiated by their Quisling, Mr. Bush. For his superior investigative skills, I hereby promote Mr. Moore from "moron" to "chief moron".

Were you thinking you should have taken reports the CIA had given you the month before more seriously? You had been told al-Qaida was planning attacks in the United States and that planes would possibly be used.

Moore is right - Bush should have launched a pre-emptive strike on Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, based on vague reports from the CIA that Al Quaeda was planning something, possibly involving planes. I'm sure Mikey & Co. would have supported Bush wholeheartedly in this endeavor.

Stupid fat white man!

Michael Moore, clearly a second-rate pamphleteer, seems to be generate a lot of interest on Tim's cut-and-paste blogmire. Why should such a supposedly ineffectual, unconvincing character attract such attention here?

Why do they waste their time on Mr Moore if their positions on world affairs are so unnassailably right?

Are they just bored? Or could it be that Tim's flock of sheep just can't stand any dissent from their new wave of political righteousness?

Methinks you clods protest too much!

midarna go! TELL TRUE AS SHEP

The "second-rate pamphleteer" is certainly an accurate description. But to get a better grasp of why Moore demands attention, try these other tags on for size:

"Oscar-winning, critically acclaimed director"

"Best-selling author"

This pampheleteer certainly garners a lot of respect from so-called "progressive" intellectuals, who, despite the presence of the evil Fox News, still have a lot of influence on the political discourse in the West.

I love the "protests too much" tactic. It's all-purpose; doesn't rely on any argument except that there is argument; contains a borrowed literary wisdom; and always comes from an absolute muppet.

Methinks.

What? Oil businesses and investors (played by the Bush family) have financial dealings with the largest construction firm in the Middle East (the Bin Laden family)? Of course it has to be a conspiracy, what else could it be. Heck, I say we assume all Ay-rabs are guilty of supporting Osama until they prove their innocence, just like Mikey seems to think (or did I miss his point?).

Some might object this is splitting hairs as in, he is already ga ga but, on the strength of his latest effort in infartative journalism,Moose Moron has flipped his lid,has had a massive nervous breakdown, is around the bend with his tongue lolling all along tin pan alley.The guy needs putting down, strapped to a bed in a loony bin, before the obvious paranoia takes a hold and he does something really darned silly, and dangerous, though most likely to himself, but you can't tell - he seems fixated on bush.

Margot Kingston, you should heed Moose as an object lesson.

Fun as making fun of Moore is, are you guys saying that there's nothing rotten in the house of Saud?

Andjam, not at all.Saud sponshorship of terrorists is sufficiently established. An altogether different proposition, to take not much of a liberty with Moose's wild shots, Bush is bosom pals with some of them ,even cousins with some.It's some leap of not so much a fervid imagination but a rotting vege patch of a brain to make the sort of wild accusations and generalisations as Moore does.
Taken with Moose's ouv're on all things rotten in the U.S., namely Bush,Bush, Bush, the G.O.P., and Bush,tell us, Andjam, you didn't post that question straight faced?

Oh, the Hankism: `fun as...fun...is...' not good Andjam, not good.

Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings excepted, it's not often a book has such penetration in the community that you notice several people simultaneously reading it on the train, as I did recently with Moore's Stupid White Men.

Not bad for a second rate pamphleteer. Unfortunately, it seems mass readership is merely encouraging him to write more and more.

I noticed most of the readers were men. Maybe Moore has a point.

And by the way, what a preposterous situation - men reading a book entitled Stupid White Men - why don't they cut out the middle man and just beat themselves up instead.

I humbly direct interested Moore fans to a list of seven questions I have for the fat man himself.

I think Udolpho has really captured the spirit of blogging with his response, and his seven questions sure stand up to scrutiny much better than Moore's, which are wholly dependant on cynicism rather than rationality.

Question 2 mentions the possibility of a mass sell off of stock and withdrawal of funds by the Saudis. I would think that this would be seen as a hostile act and the accounts would be frozen before much harm was done. Isn't the risk of having their U.S. assets frozen or seized greater than the risk to us?

I don't know what types of protection the stock market has so if my assumptions are not correct I'm sure someone will post to let me know.

Michael Moore is so full of shit that when he dies they'll just give him an emema and bury him in a shoebox.

that michael moore fellow appears to be VERY overweight judging by the pictures i've seen of him.

... making him the perfect subject for the next ad in the Ardmona canned tomato 'Rich & Thick' campaign.

Here's a new nickname for MMMMMooore to add to the 237 he's already got: "The Eight-Hundred Pound `Guerrilla`."

The best way to deal with Michael Moore is to ignore him. He's an entertainer; he knows jack about policy; and he lost all credibility he may have had with his outrageous post-9/11 comments.

But Saudi Arabia does deserve the heat they're taking.

It's time for them to fight terror...recognize Israel...and hold an election.

I wish Michael Moore would pick a country that he thinks is the next thing to Paradise and move there. Actually, he may like France. However, I doubt the French would like him.

It's also time for the Saudis to take their fucking sheep.

"The IRA has received funding from Libya (among others). I don't suppose Mikey thinks that Libya's at war w/ the UK?"

Ireland dickface, IRA also received funding from rich dumb Americans who were happy to support terrorism in other countries and are now shocked when it comes back and smacks them in the face.

The IRA also received support from not so rich Americans. Your point is?

suck potatoes paddy!

Scientists wonder why people don't believe statistics. It's because so many people like Moore just make them up. Anyone *really* notice what he is saying about Saudi money invested in the American economy? The U.S. economy is "only" 9 trillion dollars. Moore claims that TWO TRILLION of that is Saudi money (one trillion in the stock market, one trillion in our banks). As Inigo Montoya might have said, "I do not believe that word means what he thinks it means." In order to believe this two trillion claim, we must believe that there are approximately SIX HUNDRED Bill Gates's (net worth of Bill Gates: approximately 35 billion) all in Saudi Arabia, all investing 100% of their money in the United States. This is quite plainly false.

Mr Whiplash, "rich" is a relative term, the Americans who donated funds/bought weapons/paid for intelligence were certainly richer than the eventual victims of the above, and certainly more secure. My point is (take extra reading lessons if Mummy and Daddy can afford it) that the USA has supported terrorism in places like Ireland, which is far away enough and harmless enough that the "Eagle" would never have to live with the consequences, yet flutters to the high moral ground the instant "terrorism" affects its real interests.

Coltrane, get in touch with your doctor, have two ribs removed, and suck your own potatoes, if you can find them.

My favorite comment on Stupid White Men was a cartoon about a book signing. The manager says "Mr Moore can't be here, you will have to sign the book yourselves."

fucking sheep.

Fucking sheep are only exported to NZ!

I don't understand all the outrage over Moore. Rush has been lying and spinning tall tales for years. It's nothing new. People just have to make up their own minds about what to believe. This calls for critical thinking skills, and a willingness to seek out reliable information. That's what the ditto heads, left and right, sadly lack.

Paddy,

So let me get this straight, Irish terrorists planned and executed the 9/11 attacks as reprisals for rich Americans using eagles to attack and destroy Ireland's potato crop. I'm glad you cleared that up for me.

You aren't passing troll school, are you?

Nobody's giving Rush any awards for "Documentaries" though, are they.

Rush isn't a film maker.

Paddy is right: there are lots of idiots in this country who contribute to the IRA and other Irish terrorist organizations - I'm Irish-American myself, and know them only too well. IMHO, anyone who knowingly contributes to a terrorist group like the IRA or al-Qaeda should spend serious time in the steel motel. And yeah, while we're nailing the Taliban, should also clean up our own act.

Lesley, I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but I think you are getting GDP mixed up with net assets. The US produces about 8-9 trillion dollars a year. But the net worth of the country is more like 40-50 trillion. But that still leaves me believing that it is highly improbbable that the house of Saud could have 2 trillion invested in the US. The CIA estimates their GPD to be 242 billion. And surely they consume most of that in goods and services so that they would have to have incredible investors and all their investments in the US to make the 2 trillion number believeable.

> Actually, he may like France. However, I doubt the French would like him.

I don't know why not. They'd give him a personality profile and then get him a job as a waiter in Paris.

Now read between the brackets to get the view from Whiplash's world:

On September 11th, the WTC was attacked by civilian aeroplanes that had been hijacked by (Michael Moore's pubic lice) terrorists.

The attack was motivated largely by (Bill Clinton, Darth Vader and The Guardian) political events in the Middle East.

In the days that followed, George Bush II announced the (War on Everyone Whiplash Doesn't Like) War On Terror.

America has been fighting in (France, Belgium, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Israel, Lichtenstein, Michael Moore's pubic hair, the offices of the Guardian) Afghanistan and Iraq ever since.

The war will only end when (All of Whiplash's enenmies are defeated and he gets to sleep with Donald Rumsfeld) it becomes too unpopular at home.

Michael Moore is (the greatest threat to American security since Bill Clinton) a rather unattractive loudmouth film-maker.

America has (never supported terrorism in any country) supported terrorism whenever it felt like it.

Whiplash is (the reincarnation of John Wayne standing up to fight for his country and his views are well respected by Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush II, and Condoleeza Rice secretly admires him)an ordinary guy, I presume from his last comment an American who thinks he can read and write.

Paddy,

Haven't you got anything better to do than lavishing time and attention on me. (How did you find out about my Rumsfeld fantasy?) Just because you were wrong about only the rich donating to the IRA doesn't mean you have to make smearing me your life's work. (You might want to change your name, Pappy Smear is much more catchy than Paddy Smear.)

Oh yeah, that dickface thing was way clever.

Jeez, I'm only a reader and I have my own troll.

Michael Moore is the reincarnation of Tip O'Neill as the comical caricature of the Democratic Party - fat, slovenly, overstuffed with his self-delusional thinking and sanctimony. The RNC should dust off those commercials from the early 1980's where they had an actor playing an O'Neill type character and update them with a Moore-type character. Moore is an asset for conservatives! Use him wisely.

"Haven't you got anything better to do than lavishing time and attention on me."

Actually no, I've fallen in love with you, and to be honest it only took about 5 minutes anyway.

"How did you find out about my Rumsfeld fantasy?"

I just guessed.

"Just because you were wrong about only the rich donating to the IRA doesn't mean you have to make smearing me your life's work."

Quick logic check here poor donors = small donations, rich donors = large donations, now which type of donation has a bigger effect Whiplash? (Tip: Large means big, if you want proof, check the back of that bottle of those pills that your girlfriend/boyfriend insists that you keep taking).

"(You might want to change your name, Pappy Smear is much more catchy than Paddy Smear.)"

Sorry for using an actual name and not a physical injury.

"Oh yeah, that dickface thing was way clever."

To impress Whiplash, just appeal to his vanity (or veinity).

"Jeez, I'm only a reader and I have my own troll."

A reader?

Paddy,

A $50 donation has a much greater effect on minimum wage earner than a $5,000 donation has on a multi-millionaire. Is that what you're talking about.

As for understanding the concept large, I was going to suggest that you look in your pants but that wouldn't work now would it?

I'll let you have the last word, over and out.

"A $50 donation has a much greater effect on minimum wage earner than a $5,000 donation has on a multi-millionaire. Is that what you're talking about."

..and finally Whiplash, what we're talking about are the benefits to the terrorists who receive the $5000, not the effect that small or large contributions have on the donor.

Too bad you're gone Whiplash, next time send your little (sorry kid) sister, I'm sure she can put up more convincing arguments.

Michael Moore has much in common with the nagging rectal itch arising from the rushed dump: both affect the same part of the anatomy, neither is more than an annoyance and both would benefit from improved hygiene.

I suppose that, since Timothy McVeigh was an American, that Oklahoma City was attacked by the United States!

How lazy (and how unsurprising) is it that Moore uses silly, outdated and debunked "evidence" to support his arguments. I mean, it's one thing to be a fat prick, but he is not even an ORIGINAL fat prick.

Paddy, don't be such a goddamned idiot. Just because a few Northeastern Irish Catholics give money to Irish "freedom fighters" doesn't mean that the rest of the United States knows or even CARES about the Irish struggle against British imperialism and oppression.

The US DOES NOT support Irish terrorism just as a few donors in some country sending money to Palestinian militants or something do not amount to that country supporting terrorism.

Should the US go after those who are setting up false charities that turn out to be funneling money to the IRA? Yes, but don't say that we as Americans shouldn't be shocked at horrific acts because it's simply terrorism "coming back and smacking them in the face."

By that logic, maybe you Brits DESERVE to get attacked by the IRA for the centuries of terror you reigned upon the Emerald Isle (and half the rest of the Goddamned world for THAT matter!)

...And I am THROUGH.

"Just because a few Northeastern Irish Catholics give money to Irish "freedom fighters" doesn't mean that the rest of the United States knows or even CARES about the Irish struggle against British imperialism and oppression"

War on terrorism ring a bell? Or is only terrorism that affects America important enough?

Perhaps, DAN, you should have continued reading:

"Should the US go after those who are setting up false charities that turn out to be funneling money to the IRA? Yes....."

The United States is a big country...I bet maybe one in a hundred even knows what the IRA is. (Besides a "tax-financial thingy").

Micheal Moore starring in the remake of : Elephant Man.

The director , speaking about the new hot office-blockbuster, said:
`We made a decision to go for realism and find an actor who really suffers from encephalitis.From that, we just had to have Michael Moore.It's as if the role had been written for Mike.'

All he gets credit for is critisizing. Thats pretty much all "they" can come up with. "They" get headlines by asking these stupid questions, which have no actual answers. C'mon, People, lets run 'em ooutta town!!!!!!

The funny thing about Paddy is that he doesn't even seem to be bright enough to realize he's supporting Tim's criticism of Michael Moore.

Tim stated that it is neccessary to make a distinction between Saudi Arabians attacking the United States and an attack by the government of Saudi Arabia on the United States; Paddy then points out correctly that many Americans helped support the IRA.

Tim - "The sun rises in the east."
Paddy - "Oh yeah?! Well it SETS IN THE WEST! What do you say to THAT?!

For such a fat, invective-filled, lie-laden, mockumentarian with little to no sway on people beyond the tin-foil hat types, you guys sure have a lot to say. i'm not saying you're threatened. possibly just bored? if the point is--as many of you seem to say--who cares? then, really: who cares? if, however, you do care... well then, you have undermined your base argument. i'll leave it to you to sort that one out. (note: no value judgement on Moore has here been made... whether that is a lesson to you or not... well... really, who cares, right?)

Guess I was right again. You guys really are scared of the second rate pamphleteer. Why? He's wrong and you're right aren't you? I mean anyone can see that, can't they?

d:

Oh, the Hankism: `fun as...fun...is...' not good Andjam, not good.

Whoops. Stupid is as stupid does.

You americans are so nu-eeve!!! This isn't the first time you come up with worthless off-the point drivel about Moore and Bush. Are you, Reynolds and friends part of a stupid conspiracy?

In 50 years, when the USA is nothing mroe than a blip in economic history, we'll be wondering why more people didn't think a bit laterally like Mr Moore.

Moore has sold millions of books. Isn't it odd that none of the postings here support his view. Even if all he says is false - you would expect to see someone supporting him. WE JUST WANT THE TRUTH - biased postings will not help us get there.