December 07, 2004
EVIL PERSISTS
I mentioned last year the rising number of attacks on Australian Jews. Awfully, these attacks continue:
Jews in Australia were the victims of 50 per cent more attacks in the 12 months to September than the average figure for the past 14 years, a new report has found.
The Executive Council of Australian Jewry's (ECAJ) annual report on anti-Semitism in Australia, released today, said the figure included physical assault, property damage and direct face to face harassment.
"The worst of these incidents included the smashing of windows at synagogues, eggs thrown at Jewish people on their way to or from religious ceremonies and a firecracker thrown at the door of the home of an Orthodox Jew after a person called out Let's get the Rabbi," the report said.
The report also found that, for the sixth time in seven years, more than half the reports of abuse came from New South Wales while incidents were down in Queensland, South Australia and Western Australia.
Things got pretty lively in Melbourne, too. Beats me how Jews can control politics and the media in Australia but somehow cant stop people throwing eggs; possibly they need more power!
Posted by Tim Blair at December 7, 2004 05:23 AMTim, for your foreign readers, is there any significance to the rise of incidents in New South Wales? Are there a lot of radical imams there, for instance?
Posted by: Joe Geoghegan at December 7, 2004 at 05:56 AMI am also wondering how many of these attacks are perpetrated by Muslims. Seems to be a pattern elsewhere.
Posted by: Rebecca at December 7, 2004 at 06:28 AMA prediction -
The Left will blame PM Howard. They will conveniently fail to notice that they also blame him for advocating closer immigration controls. It will never occur to them that controlling immigration, especially from the Middle East, is a good way to help stifle violence against the citizenry in general and Jewry in particular.
Needless to say, it will not suddenly dawn on them that there's a reason why the Middle East exports so many of its former citizens - it's wrongthink to admit that maybe the West has it measurably better in any possible way.
Posted by: Nightfly at December 7, 2004 at 06:56 AMThere is a lot of anti-jewish pro-palestinian sentiment in non muslim australians fanned by lefty/greeny/trade union groups.
Of course we can expect the lefties and greenies to get themselves all puffed up with righteous indignation over these unprovoked attacks on members of a persecuted minority. Any time now...
Posted by: Butch at December 7, 2004 at 07:34 AMThis report's misleading. There's been an across-the-board rise in adolescent misbehaviour here in Sydney over the last few years. Teenagers in cars throw eggs at pedestrians on Halloween, blow up mailboxes with fireworks, vandalise churches and the like. In the absence of evidence that these 450 complainants were targeted because they're Jews, these incidents simply reflect the general increase in antisocial activity.
I'd also like to know if there is any significance to New South Wales and the rise in incidents.
As to the rise of anti-Jewish actions ..
The Left is NOT hiding it's hatred for Israel and/or Jews. Very clear and out in the open. Very disturbing.
It's not surprising that people who listen to the propaganda spewed by the Left would attack Jews. The Left's anti-Jewish rhetoric I see today would do Hitler, and the US' KKK, very proud indeed.
Many on the Left have created a climate where it's OK to attack Jews and anything that symbolizes Jewishness. It's not just the Islamist type Muslims who attack Jews, it's the non-Muslim Left as well. There are people who seem to really believe that 'Jews Control Everything' and that the US is some sort of puppet controlled by Jews.
For many on the Left, Jews (as well as the US) have become the new Nazis and are fair game to be harassed.
Posted by: Chris Josephson at December 7, 2004 at 09:11 AMI noticed when I was in Melbourne for the moto GP that the large Synagogue in Sth Melbourne on Saturday morning had a group of vigilant young Jews in Yarmulkes with 2-way radios keeping an eye on what was going on; I thought at the time that I've never seen the same activity outside any other church (or mosque) in Australia. I thought it was the followers of the Prophet who were being persecuted in Australia.
Posted by: Habib at December 7, 2004 at 10:18 AMNow this REALLY gets me angry!!!
How many "reports" on Moslem harassment have we seen on the ABC over the years...a COUNTLESS number!
Meanwhile, there has not been even one...NOT ONE...report highlighting the harassment of Jews on either The 7:30 Report or Lateline. Not one since at least 2001, despite the fact that hundreds and hundreds of incidents of vilification, physical assault and property damage targeting the Jewish community have been recorded. Everytime programs like The 7:30 Report feature another one of their 'poor Moslem' pieces I visit their 'Letters Section' and ask why with so many attacks reported against Jews have they not devoted any air-time to this issue? Apparently, they find even this question threatening because they consistently refuse to post my comments on the subject.
However I'm sure those here know only too well this is not the only issue the ABC would prefer to forget. I also frequently ask why they seemingly go overboard with story after story on Iraq while almost totally ignoring what the U.N. calls the world's worst humanitarian crisis", the genocide in Sudan, or why the ABC haven't even seen fit acknowledge the U.N.'s 10 billion dollar 'oil for food' scandal???
They won't even allow comments or questions on any of these issues to appear on their program websites! So much for "everyone's ABC". I didn't realise how insecure that self-righteous hypocrite Kerry O'Brien really is!
ps...I'm not Jewish, and unfortunately, I don't even know any Jews personally. I do know however, that they contribute vastly more to society and occupy much less jail accomodation than do other minority groups even the one I belong too!
Devilishly clever, those Yids. If this is investigated, you'll find that it was the Jews themselves who committed these acts in an attempt to get sympathy for themselves.
Have you forgotten that it was the Jews themselves who perpetrated the Holocoust in WWII in order to be allowed to establish the state of Israel?
Thank goodness we have Al-Jezerra to set the record straight.
Posted by: Morton Oxpecker at December 7, 2004 at 10:43 AMWell, you have to understand the progressive point of view. This isn't antisemitism. The Jews provoked this by um... um... HALLIBURTON! HALLIBURTON! BUSH=HITLER!
Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 7, 2004 at 10:44 AM"...[T]he ABC haven't even seen fit [to] acknowledge the U.N.'s 10 billion dollar 'oil for food' scandal???"
As an American taxpayer, I'm unhappy to report that the number is now $21 billion and steadily rising. Twenty-one thousand million dollars.
Posted by: Butch at December 7, 2004 at 11:05 AMP.S. That's $27,161,215,249.01 AUD, just to help you Aussie bloggers keep the scandal in its mind-blowing perspective.
Posted by: Butch at December 7, 2004 at 11:08 AMTo answer some questions:
NSW is the most heavily-populated state, with the greatest Jewish population, which is likely a statistical driver of the larger number of attacks. I live around the corner from a Jewish school which is under 24-hour guard.
Posted by: tim at December 7, 2004 at 12:08 PM
Tim,
Anti-semitism is a chronic ailment that afflicts the Occidental body politic. But there is little clinical value in trying to pin the recent outbreaks of this disease on ones partisan adversaries.
It is false to identify anti-Likudnik statements (criticising Sharon) with anti-Israeli or anti-Semitic positions. The Likud is a party, not a state, still less a nation. One does not have to retail the Blood Libel to make Sharon culpable for his wrongdoings.
It is also wrong to suggest that conventional Cultural Leftists, eg readers of WebDiary, are behind the attacks on Jewish establishments or even the ambient rise in anti-semitism. Have any Broad Left, or even Far Left, operators been implicated (trivial Margo meanderings aside) in actual attacks on Synagogues etc. I would be surprised if followers of Lev Bronstein were anti-semitic.
The Cultural Left was stronger in the seventies through nineties yet anti-semitism was fairly weak then. Some factor, other than ideological Leftism, that has increased since then must be responsible for the upsurge in anti-Semitism.
Much of it is surely fringe political agents participating in the the ugly Intifada II escalation of violence on both sides. Are these operators ideological or ethnological in orientation:
- Idiot Left Wankers
- Lunar Right Pogroms
- Islamicists in the Hood?
I dont know if this is applicable to AUS, but it is relevant and reasonable to state that Jews are not the only Semites with a strong presence in NSW. About 50% of all (mainly Arabic) Muslims in AUS live in NSW, mainly Sydney.
The USE has recently experienced the same spike in anti-semitism. A USE report, leaked to the FT and later quashed by the USE, lays the blame on dis-integrating Arabic communities:
That anti-Semitic offenders in some cases are drawn from Muslim minorities in Europe whether they be radical Islamist groups or young males of North African descent is certainly a new development for most [EU] Member States, one that offers reason for concern for European governments and also the great majority of its citizens.
The vast majority of Arabic Islamics in AUS are decent law abiding folk who deserve a fair go. But they have a sizeable minority of unruly youths in their number who are prone to raising sectarian hell. This spade deserves to be called a spade.
Have the AUS authorities, or experts, investigated this angle? Or is disucssion of this real issue going to be placed under a Pee-Cee embargo, whilst furphy Culture Wars are played out between aging Leftwing, and former Leftwing, baby boomers?
"...[T]he ABC haven't even seen fit [to] acknowledge the U.N.'s 10 billion dollar 'oil for food' scandal???"
Nope! I wrote to the ABC (7.30 Report, et al,), going back a few months, on several occasions asking why the ABC wasn't reporting on this most important, developing story. After weeks of silence I received this:
"The ABC has not ignored the scandal regarding the Iraq oil-for-food program. The
ABC has broadcast numerous stories on this issue. Here are links to just a few:
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1097935.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1108771.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2004/s1164930.htm
Thank you again for raising this matter with the ABC.
Yours sincerely,
Denise Musto
Audience Liaison Manager"
Now, if anyone had nothing else better to do but to go to those sites (forget it, it's a waste of time), all one would find is a one-line reference buried in an obscure ABC broadcast - mainly provincial radio (as I recall). As far as "the just a few" is concerned, don't waste your time looking, that's all there is - finito!
Keerist! Australia must be one of the few countries in the world where the prols. are funding an active terrorist organisation dedicated to bringing about their downfall. This is taking egalitarianism to absurd lengths. When us peasants finally realise just how seriously we have been gulled, I have dibs on being in the in the firing squad when 'Red' Kerry, Maxine and numerous (ABC) others are put against the wall. Roll on the revolution.............!
Posted by: Boss Hog at December 7, 2004 at 02:12 PMAnd absolutely no anti-semetic activity has been carried out by lunatics like the PYL, Australian Nationalists, ANM, White Pride, Australia First etc? It's all the muslims according to the pathetic cretins on this site.
I find it amazing how your readers can ignore calls from Australian muslim leaders to respect jewish (and other) places of worship and corresponding calls from rabbis and bishops.
Tim you should be embarassed attracting this type of person to your site.
co-existence is possible This is not a Ben Affleck movie. We see no need to transpose Arab violence to white violence to spare your sensibilities. If you have evidence that any of those groups are responsible for the increase in attacks, share it with us (and the authorities).
Do you seriously suggest with the state of the world today that we are looking at an upsurge of white fascist violence against Jews?!
Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 7, 2004 at 03:09 PMJack Strocchi From Paris to Venzuela to Berkeley Freaking California, the rise in antisemitic violence has been the product of Islamics, lefties or lefties enabling Islamics.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 7, 2004 at 03:14 PM...and absolutely no anti-semetic activity has been carried out by lunatics like the PYL, Australian Nationalists, ANM, White Pride, Australia First etc?...
Don't know, Co. The report doesn't say. Would you feel more comfortable if a report on hate crime attacked those *you* hate?
Posted by: Byron_the_Aussie at December 7, 2004 at 03:21 PMCo-existence is possible does have a point - we don't yet know who perpetrated the violence in Australia. And as for white fascist violence in the world today? Well, it's certainly on the rise in Russia, where both Jews and Muslims are subjected to some pretty horrifying violence by skinheads.
Posted by: unm at December 7, 2004 at 03:25 PMco-existence is possible at December 7, 2004 at 02:58 PM again plays the man, not the facts.
The conclusion that Arabic Islamics are frequent participants in anti-semitic acts in Europe is drawn from a censored, but leaked, USE report. If that report is misleading, please indicate.
I was careful to exclude the vast majority of Arabic Islamics, in USE or AUS, who are doubtless peace-loving and law-abiding. No one wants to go on a witch-hunt against Arabs. But the taboo on identifying ethnic-related political problems has got to stop.
When fred Toben, the notorious holocaust denier and friend of Mel Gibson's father was lured to Germany for it is said a celebratory reuinion in honor of Hitler's birthday, he was promptly arrested by the German Authorities and sentenced to Jail.
His Adeleadie "institute" website later closed down and i believe around the same time david Irving was refused permossion to enter Australia and lecture at some melbourne arts festival.
So Australia is dealing with its fascists,as have done FRANCE, (lyon University prosevutions) Canada (Ernst Zundel trial) etc etc.
France had produced a detailed analysis of antisemetic attacks and when the results were aired quickly swept them under the carpet for reasons most of us are well aware of.
Most of the Increase of attacks are no longer coming from the odious right wing extremists - they are coming from the extreme left/islamic coalition and whereas it is easy to rightly demonize the extreme right, to do so to the left/islamic coaliton is not PC.
That is why THE ABC keeps quiet about the 500 odd antisemetic incidents in OZ, if they could be shown to come solely from the australian league of rights et al they would be on to the story like shot.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. The anti-Holocaust Denial crusaders at The Nizkor Project catalogue most incidents of neo-Nazi violence agains t Jews and Jewish property. Their Australian sub-section looks at recent attacks by various extreme Right groups in recent times. Hammerskins tagging up a Brisbane Synagogue, AAB doing similar stuff in Sydney. They update regularly - worth a look.
Mr McEnroe: Unfortunately, blaming the Muslims for the enourmous increase in anti-Semitic violence in traditional Jewish heartland areas like Eastern Europe and Russia just isn't going to wash. It's neo-Nazis/White (Slavonic?) Supremacists all way in those places.
Poland in particular is quite frightening. Friggin Skins chased me through Krakow because I was wearing an Ajax jersey. This WAS post '96 Champions League final.
Posted by: Darp Hau at December 7, 2004 at 04:42 PMDarp Hau Yes, but that has what exactly to do with Australia and France and California? In Berkeley, the increase is inarguably attributable to leftists and Islamics, as it is in France. And I have to agree with Davo If this increase could be attributed to fascist whites, ABC and the media would be all over it. The relative silence, instead, is damning.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 7, 2004 at 05:06 PMSo ...you only wish to stage an argument on the rise of global anti-Semitism based on events in Australia, California, Venezuela, and France?
You don't feel that exmining anti-Semitism on the good old shtetl is something worth looking into? I mean ...you know ..it kind of IS where most Jews have been living for the past two thousand years and it's where the most vicious of pogroms took place under Tsarist rule and where a little something called The Holocaust also happened. I would have thought that an examination of trends in this region VERY important to any assessment of rising anti-Semitism anywhere in the world.
You'd prefer to keep your argument geographically bent in such a way that you feel your rationale can win out? That Islamicists are responsible FOR ALL incidents of anti-Semitic violence and abuse?
Dude, seriously.
Posted by: Darp Hau at December 7, 2004 at 05:39 PMDarp Hau at December 7, 2004 at 04:42 PM says that neo-nazis and paelo-pogromists are responsible for most modern anti-semitism.
I am sure that there is some local truth in that. Slavic Eatern Europe is a whole different ball-game in the history of anti-semitism, owing to the special history of reactionary pogroms and revolutionary communists in those areas. My reference was to a USE report which focused on anti-semitism in Romantic Western Europe.
I am arguing that the anti-semitism has little basis in ideological partisans, of either fascist or communist persuasions. It seems more likely to be ethnological ie Arabic or Slavic, in source. The Celtics seem to have gotten over it, or themselves.
There is little evidence that Broad, or even fringe, Leftists are behind actual instances of violence against Jews or Jewish property in the West. I have yet to see a single Leftist party, or significant personality, indicted on this score. Margo Kingstons late night confused meanderings should not be considered a hanging offence. I dont think she meant any racial vilificatory harm. She is silly, not nasty.
Idiot Leftists are guilty of engaging im rhetorical overkill and inflicting collateral ideological damage when bagging Rightwingers including Likidniks et al. But no one commenting on this site can complain about that vice!
Well Jack Strocchi, it's nice to see that you've backtracked from your "there is no anti-semitism on the Left" claim from a few months ago to a mere "there is no actual violence against Jews from the Left", at any rate...
Posted by: PW at December 7, 2004 at 06:16 PM..the anti-Holocaust Denial crusaders at The Nizkor Project catalogue most incidents of neo-Nazi violence against Jews and Jewish property...
...meantime, Darp catalogues his own violence, against Christians and Christian property.
Posted by: Byron_the_Aussie at December 7, 2004 at 06:24 PM..friggin Skins chased me through Krakow because I was wearing an Ajax jersey...
Maybe they wanted to talk to you about hatecrime, Darp.
Or did this happen *before* you vandalised Hillsong Church?
Posted by: Byron_the_Aussie at December 7, 2004 at 06:27 PMThanks for the link Byron!
What an ABSOLUTE CRETIN you are Darp!
Grow up you PATHETIC, GUTLESS GRUB!
I note that you've posted some bragging putdowns about this thread at your own blog, Darp. Just a quick question to a proud practitioner of hatecrime, like yourself:
I then primed by stink bombs ready for a clandestine assault that a Navy Seal would be proud of.
What Navy Seal would be proud of letting off stinkbombs in a packed church? Posted by: Byron_the_Aussie at December 7, 2004 at 06:51 PMYou're very welcome, Brian. But please let me correct you: Darp is no cretin. He's a dangerous (and admitted) practitioner of hatecrime who set off stinkbombs in a packed auditorium in an attempt to cause a panicked rush for the exits:
For Darp, that's okay. He hates Christians rather than Jews so he set off stinkbombs in a church, rather than a synagogue.
I've taken a screenshot of his webpage, where he bragged about it. There's more than enough evidence there to justify an AVO, or more serious charges.
Posted by: Byron_the_Aussie at December 7, 2004 at 07:05 PMerr Darp noone but you has said "That Islamicists are responsible FOR ALL incidents of anti-Semitic violence and abuse?" but buy your comments, you attribute all non Islamic anti-Semitic violence automatically right wing.
Darp, Your a living contradiction. How about practicing what you preach and stop throwing generalisation that you've been proven wrong so many times.
Posted by: Gary at December 7, 2004 at 07:06 PMPW at December 7, 2004 at 06:16 PM falsely accuses me of "backtracking" from my original claim about the weak association between Leftwingers and contemporary anti-semitism.
Well Jack Strocchi, it's nice to see that you've backtracked from your "there is no anti-semitism on the Left" claim from a few months ago to a mere "there is no actual violence against Jews from the Left", at any rate...
In the initial passage I state that the common rightwing accusation that Leftists are behind antisemitic "attacks" relies on the (unproven) claim that Leftists are initiating physical, not verbal, threats and acts of violence against Jews:
It is also wrong to suggest that conventional Cultural Leftists, eg readers of WebDiary, are behind the attacks on Jewish establishments or even the ambient rise in anti-semitism. Have any Broad Left, or even Far Left, operators been implicated (trivial Margo meanderings aside) in actual attacks on Synagogues etc.
With sadistic relish I await PW's humiliating backtrack from his accusation that I backtracked.
Whilst PW is stewing on that one I restate my original challenge: can any commenter or blogger point to a single significant Western Leftwing party (or personality) that has proven to condone, or to be in cahoots with, anti-semitic racial aggression/campaigns of vilification?
PS: Criticisms of Likudnik party are not identical to criticism of Israel, still less Jews. Only an idiot could conflate a party, state and nation.
PPS: Conflating the cruel Guardian/Independent caricatures of Likudnik war mongerers, the Web Diarist/Democratic Underground ramblings about Zionist media manipulators and snide off-the-record remarks about "shitty little" Israel by French cabinet ministers wives with anti-semititic violence is an insult to victims of the Holocaust and belittles the hard-won neuroses of self-hating Jews.)
To Richard Mcenroe,
Do I have any evidence of neo-nazi anti-semitic violence?
How about here, and here.
I don't see too many people here worried about the neo-nazis.
Others on this site like to argue from the stormfront point of view declaring the rise in anti-semitic violence is the Muslims fault.
Pathetic really.
My goodness, Byron Somers is going take out an AVO on me because of a Hillsong lark. Good luck with it pal.
Good old exetel!
Posted by: Darp Hau at December 7, 2004 at 09:12 PMA lark? Well, I can only guess stinkbombs don't bother you because you've grown used to your own B.O., so you can't see what the fuss is about. Frankly I think you are long overdue for a trip out behind the woodshed where someone of the many people you've outraged in the juvenile delinquent saga you call your life beats you until your nose bleeds buttermilk.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at December 7, 2004 at 09:45 PM..Byron Somers is going take out an AVO on me because of a Hillsong lark...
That was no 'lark', Darp. You've admitted your intent was to cause a rush in a crowded auditorium.
Here's a link listing incidents where thousands have died in similar events. You're a dangerous fool and you could have caused a tragedy, at Hillsong.
Posted by: Byron_the_Aussie at December 7, 2004 at 09:49 PMMan...
I can't make a single post here without Andrea cropping up.
No fricking wonder I keep my interjections down to one every three months.
Despite my Darpisms, these stinkbombs are no worse than a flatulent Boxer dog after a bowl of Pal.
Posted by: Darp Hau at December 7, 2004 at 10:20 PMYou have to wonder why people all over the world have hated jews for hundreds of years.
Could there be a reason?
Or are all these people misguided?
co-existence is possible December 7, 2004 at 09:01 PM seems to have a mental block on the possibility that Islamics may be responsible for anti-Judaic actions in either AUS or the USE:
declaring the rise in anti-semitic violence is the Muslims fault. Pathetic really.
Here is the link to the USE report on the (post-Intifida II) rise in anti-semitic violence in Europe. Its conclusions about the rise of anti-semitic behaviour in France, the country with the largest number of Judaic and Arabic persons, are exactly as I have predicted and pertinent to AUS:
As the second Intifada began, the number of anti-Semitic criminal offences rose drastically; out of 216 racist acts recorded in 2000 146 were motivated by anti-Semitism.
The perpetrators were only seldom from the extreme right milieu, coming instead mainly from non-organised Maghrebian and North African youths.
After interrogating 42 suspects, the police concluded that these are "predominantly delinquents without ideology, motivated by a diffuse hostility to Israel, exacerbated by the media representation of the Middle East conflict
The Idiot Left engage in more or less harmless slagging off of Jews in positions of cultural or financial power. Sticks and Stones etc.
The Lunar Right are more competent at violence, but tend to be more active in E European countries, and are a fringe force now that most mainstream Right Wing parties in the OECD are philosemitic.
The core problem of OECD anti-semitic violence stems from un-integrated young Muslim immigrant males who bear the legacy of Old Country Retro-traditions and are caught up in New Country Metro-fashions. Older males tend to be more quiescent and Islamic females are mostly invisible.
My advice to co-existence is possible is to read the report and learn something, instead of shooting the messenger. I have been very civil up till him uptil now, but my patience is wearing thin and I feel a some nasty remarks brewing in my bilious little mind.
You have to wonder why people all over the world have hated jews for hundreds of years. Could there be a reason?
Sure, there's a reason, it's the same reason that the USA is so hated. If you were a lazy, stupid failure, who has committed himself to failed ideology or culture, wouldn't you also hate hard-working, intelligent, successful people identified with successful ideologies/cultures? Of course, I am assuming here an infantile personality which prefers to blame one's betters, rather than learning from them in order to fix one's own self-inflicted deficiencies.
Posted by: Clem Snide at December 7, 2004 at 11:16 PMThanks guys for exposing that immature hater Darp Hau. I read his Hillsong post a couple of weeks ago and was 'whelmed' by the hypocrisy.
On the one hand he's attacking "racists" in Eastwood who vilify innocent people because they're ideologically opposed to them.
Then he vilifies innocent people because he's ideologically opposed to them - he interprets how those Chrisitians should spend their money, and one Third World village isn't enough. And they dare to praise God by singing, dressing neatly and behaving respectfully to others. The shock of it!
Darp has a very narrow application of 'tolerance'.
Posted by: pete at December 7, 2004 at 11:25 PMHmmm...I'm still waiting for someone to challenge me on my argument (regarding this post)
You don't feel that exmining anti-Semitism on the good old shtetl is something worth looking into? I mean ...you know ..it kind of IS where most Jews have been living for the past two thousand years and it's where the most vicious of pogroms took place under Tsarist rule and where a little something called The Holocaust also happened. I would have thought that an examination of trends in this region VERY important to any assessment of rising anti-Semitism anywhere in the world.
You know, trying to stay on topic and all (I have been banned by Andrea for getting OFF the topic before).
I "vilify" Hillsong because it's an organisation that preaches a distorted, non-canon version of Christianity known as the Prosperity Doctrine. I "vilify" them for their secretive cult-like business dealings and underhand methods of recruitment regarding new flock members and their intimidatory tactics towards ex-members who no longer "pay up".
But I do believe we're talking about the rising number of anti-Semitic attacks. Get Timbo to do an "open season on Darp" post and then you can all jump in mob handed.
Posted by: Darp Hau at December 7, 2004 at 11:52 PMProperty damage,harassing and setting up a situation that people might get injured is more then vilifying,Darp. Your cognitive dissonance is so entrenched unable to see the your behaviour is the flip side of the AAB.
Posted by: Gary at December 8, 2004 at 12:22 AMI think we should take Darpo at his word, here - he's an expert on class hatred, apparently.
On a side note, regarding the comment on false tolerance - ALL tolerance is false, a sham virtue even at best. It's an Olympian attitude. It requires no actual work or effort on our part; no attempt to understand the other point of view, only the soft indulgence of those we think are wrong. It acts peacefully only as long as it feels that it has the upper hand. Once the opposition starts to gain a little ground, then the head-shaking and tsk-tsking has to give way to more forceful, er, "persuasion."
On the other hand, true compassion causes one to reach out, to understand people and ideas. It makes one work for those who need help, towards the goal of putting them beyond that need. If necessary, the compassionate will fight back, because they can rightly distinguish between victims and criminals, sufferers and inflictors, and assign proper responsibility. And even at the end, fully subdued by enemies, with no hope of withdrawl or rescue, the compassionate man can forgive, rather than curse and rage.
[/soapbox] We now return you to your regularly scheduled commenting.
Posted by: Nightfly at December 8, 2004 at 05:42 AMjack s,
thanks for thoroughly misrepresenting my opinions.
Firstly where did I even discuss the possiility that NO antisemitic violence in Australia came from Islamic individuals/people? That is right. Nowhere.
Secondly, I didn't discuss Europe at all. Why do you bring in "evidence" from Europe when discussing Australian anti-semitism?
You just can't seem to get around the fact that the world isn't black and white and there are arseholes from all sides be they religious, political or national.
Just admit Australia has a problem with neo-nazis, or do you still want to desperately hang on to European material to support your opinions?
As an Australian citizen, I feel repulsed by the infantile ravings both in this article and the following comments. Perhaps all Australian citizens should look upon themselves as Australian first and then whatever sub-grouping they wish. Only from this common base will we see some constructive input to reasoned debate. If you are an Australian citizen, you are not a Jew but an Australian of Jewish faith. Likewise, if you are a Catholic, you are an Australian of Christian faith. On the other hand, if you are a follower of some murderous Arab thug, perhaps you could consider identifying yourself as Ex-Australian and inflict your banal views on whoever will have you.
Posted by: wah at December 8, 2004 at 09:42 AMBravo Clem!
You've hit the nail right on the head...good call mate!
I would just like to make a comment on the Hillsong Church. Although I was raised in a religious family I, myself, am a committed Atheist. Religion of any persuasion when practised excessively usually makes me cringe. However, I don't feel that way about the Hillsong church. To me they appear as a progressive, positive movement who have successfully adapted their faith to the realities of the 21st century. As such, the Hillsong movement may provide a template for other faiths who don't want to shackle their flocks to values better suited to the Middle Ages.
co-existence is possible at December 8, 2004 at 07:25 AM caves in but continues to misrepresent my position.
He explicitly concedes my initial point: a fringe of discontented Islamic youths are implicated in threats of violence against Jews in AUS. Good to see co-existence 'fessuing up to his pathetic racist prejudices.
Just to rub it in, here is a link to the Stephen Roth insitute, which investigates incidence of anti-semitism worldwide:
Another significant proportion seemed to emanate from, or be inspired by, Islamists. This material sometimes included quotations from Islamic sources, depicting Jews as sub-human, the existential enemies of humanity and even legitimate targets for harassment and murder.
According to co-existence logic, the Stephen Roth institute is a branch of Stormfront!
I have never denied that AUS neo-nazis are a source of anti-semitism. In fact I twice stated that the Lunar Right are a source of anti-semitism.
The Lunar Right are more competent at violence, but tend to be more active in E European countries, and are a fringe force now that most mainstream Right Wing parties in the OECD are philosemitic.
Only an ignoramus or a liar could fail to properly represent that statement. I leave it to readers to decide which class co-existence belongs to.
I have denied that the Idiot Left are a serious source of anti-semitic violence. I see no one has risen to my challenge to identify a significant Left wing party or person involved in anti-semitic violence.
The claims I made are verified by independent authorities, in both USE & AUS. If people dont like these facts being pointed out then my advice is to hop onto the UFO that they probably believe is waiting to abduct them, because Planet Earth reality is to difficult for them to bear.
Well, after taking up Jack Strocchi's challenge for a half-hour, I cannot say that the impetus for current anti-Semitism is mainly coming from the Left. As much as I'd like to tell Jack to go shave Darp's balls :-), I can't find anything through an admittedly basic Google search to support the contention that the new vector for anti-Semitism is coming from the Left. It appears to be coming, as has been argued, primarily from disaffected Muslim minorities and far-right whack-jobs. The Left, as much as I disagree with and despise their message, has contributed almost exclusively by framing the Arab-Israeli conflict in their own terms. Whether this constitutes true anti-Semitism is certainly debatable. But I can't find any uncompromising calls from the Left (unless you consider America's Nation of Islam part of the Left) to drive the joooooooooos into the sea.
Example: http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1111892
I believe their agenda dance-card may be full...
Posted by: Squatch at December 8, 2004 at 02:06 PMGosh darn, looks like I made Dorp's balls go all shrinky. Don't worry, sweetie -- I live far, far away, so you can take your hand away from your bits and pieces. (Besides, the people in the library are probably starting to look suspiciously at you. I don't think they'll be the "I was just protecting them" explanation.)
Guys, some of you seem to know this Dark clown. Why don't you run by his pad and lob a few stink bombs into his place? After all, he doesn't seem to mind them, and can't understand why others would.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at December 8, 2004 at 02:29 PMHa ahahahaahah ...oh Andrea, you're so funny ...you're funnier than Nik Kershaw trying to lip-synch.
Posted by: Darp Hau at December 8, 2004 at 05:20 PMAh, Hillsong. Lots of flashy lights and noise to distract you whist they swipe your money. Why didn't I think of this first?
Posted by: hsmd at December 8, 2004 at 06:01 PMJust consider the incredibly inflammatory statements of that silly fucker Mahathir in the recent past.
He openly incited an entire Islamic nation with his anti-Semitic ravings!
"Ha ahahahaahah ...oh Andrea, you're so funny ...you're funnier than Nik Kershaw trying to lip-synch."
I see you also can throw verbal stinkbombs. Fortunately these aren't disruptive, merely pathetic.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at December 8, 2004 at 11:40 PMBy the way, the Darp Show is over now. All your IPs will be banned and subsequent comments (should you find a way to sneak them in here) will be removed. This comment section is not here for you to use to promote yourself. If you want to do so, buy an ad from Tim.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at December 8, 2004 at 11:43 PMRe: Anti-Semitism -> There are idiot's the world over, and true idiot's always hate someone else, most often someone of a different faith. I guess it's easier to blame someone else for your own failure's. Most of the world's great thinker's were and are Jewish, that is undeniable fact.
Re: Darpist Hillsong exploit's:
I once had a friend who attended Hillsong...
Alas he is no more...
The Priest convinced him that God would look after him...
Unfortunatley the schizophrenia must have been too much for God because once my friend stopped taking his medication in favour of God's love, healing, and protection from his (and I quote) "personal demons", my friend sadly lost the plot completely...
Several knife wounds to his father's gut later the blade slid along his own, and ended his pain. Eventually.
This is why I loath the Hillsonger's and their fanatical extremist faith. Anyone care to debate with me that Hillsong is a harmless organisation, and helps people in need?
Posted by: Tony D at December 9, 2004 at 03:50 PMHi Richard,
Thanks for the links, I reviewed all 3 of them. I suggest you reread my post where I said "As much as I'd like to tell Jack to go shave Darp's balls :-), I can't find anything through an admittedly basic Google search to support the contention that the new vector for anti-Semitism is coming from the Left.". I was not agreeing with him and was honestly searching for information to stand up to his inquiry.
Jack Strocchi's contention was that the main impetus of antisemitism is coming from Islamic fundementalists and the sort of far-Right freaks that have been successfully marginalized by conservatives and others considered on "the Right". Antisemitism is disgusting and needs to be stamped out. So I agree with his contention that "there is little clinical value in trying to pin the recent outbreaks of this disease on ones partisan adversaries." If it needs to be stamped out, then one needs to be sure they are stamping in the correct place. It's not an ideological argument, it's one of tactics.
I personally tend to believe that support by the Left for the Intifada is antisemitic, but I failed to find any Leftist leaders expressing what might be termed outright antisemitism (e.g. Jews control the banks, Jewish conspiracy, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Mossad behind 9/11, etc.). The far-Right kooks and the Islamist nut-cases are the ones pushing that tripe.
My post meant only what it meant - no hidden messages.
Again, thanks for the links. They contained good information. Information I was in general aware of already, but nonetheless good information.
Posted by: Squatch at December 10, 2004 at 01:06 PM