November 07, 2004

SEE YOUR DOCTOR IF HOPELESSNESS PERSISTS

This site, October 26: "Expect a windfall for shrinks if Bush wins a second term."

New York Newsday, November 5: "This week, many therapists in Kerry-friendly New York found their clients left personal issues at home, instead seeking professional help for post-election political despair."

Not much of a long shot, as predictions go. Highlights from the Newsday piece:

Manhattan psychologist Bonnie Maslin said many of her patients cried about the lost election and the reality of the Republican victory. They talked about hopelessness. They said they felt isolated, depressed and angry.

Manhattan has 468,841 Kerry voters and only 95,362 Bush voters. And they feel isolated?

"There is a lot of grieving and mourning -- not unlike the Jewish shiva," Maslin said. "The level of devastation is enormous. Patients are saying they feel that the things they cherish and value are under siege. They feel threatened."

It would be wrong to hang around Manhattan psychologists' offices wearing all black and a Bush-Cheney cap, waiting for tearful patients to emerge, then following them while taking notes. Wrong, but fun.

The post-election emotions of many who voted for Sen. John Kerry may mirror clinical depression, but experts say they aren't necessarily signs of a psychiatric condition.

Quite right. Those are indicated by the fact they voted for Kerry.

Dr. Kerry Sulkowicz, a psychoanalyst and clinical professor of psychiatry at New York University's School of Medicine, believes "people are genuinely worried that Bush is our leader." He said virtually all of his patients this week said they feel depressed about the fate of the country. "They feel helpless and dismayed by Bush's staying power."

Dr. Sulkowicz has the perfect name for someone specialising in post-election crybaby counselling.

Alan Hilfer, director of training in the department of psychiatry at Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, observed that "They don't quite understand what the majority of the country is feeling. But people are resilient ... By next week, people will be talking about their own issues again."

Tragically, Sex and the City ended earlier this year. These people have nothing else to talk about.

Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.

Glad to hear it. Iíve always liked Teresa.

Dr. David Schlager, clinical assistant professor at Stony Brook University Hospital, warned that if hopelessness persists, it may signal an undiagnosed depression that could be coloring a person's exaggerated and prolonged response to the election. In that case, people should seek professional help, Schlager said.

There isnít enough lithium in the whole world ...

Posted by Tim Blair at November 7, 2004 03:34 AM
Comments

So, let me see if I understand what the good Doctor was saying; All (every single one) of his mental patients are democrats? Just sayin'...

Posted by: Green Clovers at November 7, 2004 at 03:46 AM

"By next week, people will be talking about their own issues again."

The thought that blue staters' obsessively talking about "their own issues" has served to alienate most of Middle America apparently hasn't occured to either these people or Dr. Sulkowicz.

No wonder they're in favour of socialized health care; their psych bills must be sucking up a rather large part of their income.

Posted by: PW at November 7, 2004 at 03:57 AM

Whoops, that was Alan Hilfer who made that statement, not Sulkowicz. My bad.

Posted by: PW at November 7, 2004 at 03:58 AM

There are about 200 billion tons of lithium in the ocean, but if you tried to gather it all in one place it could be a fire hazard.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 7, 2004 at 04:21 AM

"Sulkowicz" -- what a perfect name.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 7, 2004 at 04:28 AM

If you run into a Democrat who's really upset, these should help...

Picket sign

Other picket sign

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 7, 2004 at 04:42 AM

"Sulkowicz" -- what a perfect name.

Yeah, "Kerry" Sulkowicz, no less.

For a second there I thought Tim was just having us on.

Posted by: Thomas at November 7, 2004 at 04:49 AM

These doctors aren't treating people with any real problems well except the voting for Kerry thing doesn't. Just a bunch of whining drama queens searching for attention.

Posted by: Maureen at November 7, 2004 at 04:53 AM

As one of the 95,362, I can vouch for the depression that Dr. Schlager mentions. Out on the town last night, I ran into two friends--who were Kerry supporters--and they were positively, staggeringly, drunk and depressed. From my view, a pitiful sight. Talk about exagerated and prolonged response to the election.

Posted by: Forbes at November 7, 2004 at 06:17 AM

Maybe Michael Moore will start a post-election tour to reassure the unwashed masses.

At $40,000 a show, of course.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at November 7, 2004 at 06:32 AM

Re: wearing BC04 gear and following people around... They are selling stuff for chump change over at the George W. Bush store.

Posted by: Nathan Hamm at November 7, 2004 at 07:02 AM

Hilfer said he is finding that patients who actually worked on the Kerry campaign are coping better than those who only voted for him.

Maybe the people who worked on the campaign were expecting the loss?

Posted by: Quentin George at November 7, 2004 at 07:04 AM

Well... (fingers pressed together in spider-doing-pushups mode)

Depression and other symptoms of Kerry Loss are consistent with the mental and emotional disturbance that led to voting for him in the first place.

We need to talk about all of it, but our session for today is over. $200 please.

Posted by: Crazy Chester at November 7, 2004 at 08:21 AM

Oh what a blow for the "Parisians" of the US!
And those awful unsophisticates and rednecks who live in god knows where backwoods like Wyoming.
And the twin towers are no longer, so how can anyone refute Kerry's claim that terrorism is just "a nuisance".No attacks since 911, proof enough that George is obssesed with terrorism no? Alas poor Kerry, whose intellect was unrecognised by those blinkered americans of the banal interior.
But there are still those trips to France. to Cannes and those jet set art world cognescenti who tried vainly to "help America".
And those "I vote for kerry, I am an enlightened American " T shirts to ward off the justified abuse.
And Chirac the Arch priest of Eurabian dhimmitued who blessed kerry and annointed him for his humanistic appeasement qualities.
And those downdrodden Jihadists who offered prayers to ALLah for his success.
So much energy wasted.

Posted by: davo at November 7, 2004 at 08:31 AM

It's not a very good hopelessness that seeks professional help. True hopelessness doesn't think of that. Bunch of phonies.

Posted by: Ron Hardin at November 7, 2004 at 08:41 AM

We have lots of buses here in Murica. Trains also. What we do is give the shrinks flutes, buy all the tickets and have the shrinks tootle their patients into the seats and off they go to Canada. Call your local bus company or Amtrak for details.

Posted by: Gary at November 7, 2004 at 08:53 AM

Here in flyover country, I feel so good about the election, I think I am going to put in a "two hole" outhouse.

Posted by: perfectsense at November 7, 2004 at 08:57 AM

I think I'll print up a bunch of Cheney/Rove '08 t-shirts and send them to friends in New York.

After, that is, I buy a few extra shares of Eli Lilly (manufacturer of Prozac). Heh Heh.

Posted by: Joe Bagadonuts at November 7, 2004 at 09:29 AM

Joe Bagadonuts. No! Send then Bush/Cheney '08 t-shirts. With this underneath. "Because they were not really elected in 2000, '08 will be their REAL second term." Buy the Eli Lilly on margin, that way you can buy twice as much!

Posted by: YoJombo at November 7, 2004 at 09:43 AM

Sure, when David Schlager says Kerry supporters should seek professional help, he's a "clinical assistant professor", but when I say it I'm some sort of jerk. (I keed the Kerry voters, I keed!)

Posted by: dorkafork at November 7, 2004 at 10:06 AM

Calm them down with 9 raisins soaked in gin for a month- send them off to earth lodges to commune with mother earth while W MAKES THE WORLD SAFE FOR THEM

Posted by: Rose at November 7, 2004 at 10:09 AM

Oh for God's sake! My theory is confirmed: New York is crammed to the rafters with people who have too much money and not enough to do. They have absolutely no clue what real problems are. Crybaby gasbags! Every useless one of them ought to be made to spend a week working in a soup kitchen, and then let them go running to a psychiaquack about their problems!

Posted by: Rebecca at November 7, 2004 at 10:42 AM

its starting folks get the prozac distributed!
Suicuie at WTC site.

Veal apparently was distraught over President Bush's (search) re-election, Newsday reported Saturday on its Web site edition, citing an unnamed police source. The newspaper also said the man was a registered Democrat who opposed the war in Iraq.

Posted by: davo at November 7, 2004 at 01:17 PM

Grieving Democrats could learn from Australian voters.For 360 days of the year you just ignore or maintain a mildly ambivilent cynicism toward all politicians.For 5 days a year you pay minimal attention to political commentry, vote, then revert to the above mentioned cynicism after the election night. No worries.

Posted by: gubbaboy at November 7, 2004 at 02:08 PM

Perhaps the moonbat depression will lead to "suicide parties", where the clueless gather to partake of "Jim Jones Kool-aid" and.....no, wait....maybe not, that would be to much of a burden on the 95,362 sane people in Manhatten, who would have to clean up the mess.

Posted by: rinardman at November 7, 2004 at 02:15 PM

Hopefully they will rethink their values, realise that they are not morally superior and rejoin the real world. The poor moonbats who are unable to cast out their demons will likely run screaming into the ocean like the Garadene swine.

Posted by: Rod at November 7, 2004 at 02:28 PM

At least this time we've got New Yorkers out on window ledges because they're head cases... not because the fire's too intense inside the building and the impact of the plane took out the emergency stairs. That's progress.

Posted by: Paul Zrimsek at November 7, 2004 at 02:38 PM

Here's your hopelessness here:

"Distraught over the re-election of President George W. Bush, a Georgia man traveled to New York City, went to Ground Zero and killed himself with a shotgun blast, police said yesterday."

And his friend sounds like one of those highly educated blue staters (i.e. Kerry voters):

"It's a national tragedy," he said. "This election is devastating to all who believe in democracy."

Yes, dammit! Imagine how good democracy would be if we didn't have those damned elections to put up with.

Posted by: timks at November 7, 2004 at 03:41 PM

We of the religious right have been through losses like 1992, and found solace in our faith. But for liberals, hating Bush WAS their faith, and it's not very comforting now. What do postmodernists do when even postmodernism is proven false?

The RR types are on their knees thanking the Lord for sticking with the nation in spite of San Francisco, but to whom can Kerry supporters pray?

Posted by: AST at November 7, 2004 at 04:38 PM

I see a man committed suicide at Ground Zero because President Bush was re-elected. According to the Fox article, he was planning to marry.

I don't consider this a subject to joke about. I've had to deal with suicide before. It's not funny when someone elects to kill themself. Not to the person, the family, and the friends.

The decision to end your life by your own hand is a serious one. I personally consider his decision to be appalling, and I offer my condolences to his loved ones.

I also think that it reflects poorly on anyone that treats this incident (or potential suicides) without the due respect such a tradegy demands.

Let's keep that in mind, OK?

Posted by: The Real JeffS at November 7, 2004 at 04:54 PM

The Real JeffS - I don't believe any one was treating the suicide victim with disrespect. Obviously this guy had real problems much bigger than an election loss.

Reading the article, though, one would think his friends and sympathizers would realize this fact instead of using his tragic death to make political points.

Posted by: timks at November 7, 2004 at 05:17 PM

The Real Jeff S,

On top of the absurd tragedy you mention, a tragic absurdity:

"...Frank Franca, an East Village artist and registered Democrat, suggested the suicide was symbolic.

"I'm very moved by it," he said."

Tell that to his family.

Posted by: A at November 7, 2004 at 05:23 PM

Re: SEE YOUR DOCTOR IF HOPELESSNESS PERSISTS

By far the most effective remedy is to cancel your newspaper sub and to restrict your TV viewing to Rugby (aka real football) and the Comedy channel.
Caution: Although there is a certain comedic value in watching ABC/SBS News (sic) here in Australia ...especially Red Kerry... parental supervision is required to protect the children and other susceptible minds.
If you and yours cannot resist the urge to channel-surf just remember that if a faint logo on the bottom right of your screen says CNN, BBC, ABC, SBS, CBS etc, you are not watching the REAL Disney Channel.

Posted by: John L Devlin at November 7, 2004 at 05:44 PM

Yoh John!
warning! SbS does not officially endorse the material in the following program!
They do it for all the foreign news!

Posted by: davo at November 7, 2004 at 06:00 PM

Someone who killed himself because of an election result that will probably impact his life very little if at all who was on the verge of getting married had a lot more problems than mere politics. I don't see any reason to treat this man with other than pity, but "friends" who try to make political capital with his death are fair game. (And I'm thinking a friend like that would certainly not help matters if I were suicidal over an election result -- the friend probably sat around nodding his head in agreement at his friend's despair and saying "You're right, we're all doomed, there's nothing to live for.)

Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 7, 2004 at 11:59 PM

As one of the 95,362, I have been careful not to gloat; I have been wearing my "W" lapel pin, however.

The self-centeredness of many of Kerry's supporters is truly astonishing. As I recall it, the NY Times reported, on the day after the election, about one Kerry voter who complained that those who voted for GWB had no appreciation of the feelings of those who lived in NY and who lived in the state that had been attacked. Well, I thought it was the United States that was attacked; that means not only those who live in NY or NYC, but those who live in any one of the United States. But, of course, NYers believe that they are the center of the universe. This NYer doesn't and is proud to be among the 95,362 who voted for GWB.

Posted by: Morrie at November 8, 2004 at 12:23 AM

I used to date a woman who honestly convinced herself that anyone who didn't support the left needed psychiatric care. By extention she thought that conservativism needed to be made illegal on the basis of public health.

Posted by: Joe N. at November 8, 2004 at 12:37 AM

The Soviets used to lock up dissenters in psychiatric hospitals.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 8, 2004 at 12:41 AM

I expect that the guy who committed suicide at Ground Zero had problems before the elections even started. The conditions that drive one to that state of mind are complex, and I suspect that the elections were nothing more than an excuse.

Having said that, I don't think anyone here was mocking his death, but there were a couple of comments made before this news about suicide in general. If I came across harshly, my apologies to all concerned. I wanted to avoid seeing this thread turn into what A and Andrea describes: manipulation of a tragic event.

And I do not expect anyone to stop gloating! :-)

Someone in this thread commented that people with real problems don't immediately run to a counselor, and that is true. Most of these people are (at most) venting their rage. More likely they are paying someone $200 an hour to whine. They'd get a better deal by drinking at a bar, and talking to the bartender.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at November 8, 2004 at 12:43 AM

I have a teenage daughter who is mentally ill.

There - I said it. I won't go into details, except to say everything is nicely under control thanks to psychotropic drugs and an excellent psychiatrist. But last Tuesday, Election Day, she was too rattled to go to her afternoon appointment because she was afraid Kerry would win and didn't want to pass all those Kerry-Edward signs stuck up all over town. She called her doctor, who advised her to stay home, relax, watch a funny movie, go to bed early and (if Kerry won) skip school the next day so she wouldn't have to listen to her fellow students running their mouths.

As you know, she didn't have to skip school, her classmates were quiet, and the Bush win has boosted her spirits like you can't imagine. So please don't fall into the ``Democrat=mental patient'' mindset. She's too young to vote but she's a bright kid and probably better informed than people twice or three times her age who DID vote.

Posted by: Annalucia at November 8, 2004 at 01:15 AM

A member of the "reality-based community" on the Democratic Underground is thinking outside of the box in searching for a solution to the vexing problem of how to deal with having George W. Bush in the White House.

Are there any true witches in here?

I'm not asking for anyone to admit it on this board.....but if there are any,would you please put a hex on bu$h and his mis-administration? Something has got to stop this idiot and his nazi coharts.Our country and it's people are in serious danger for the next 4 years,and we need some serious intervention.

Posted by: Randal Robinson at November 8, 2004 at 02:38 AM

LOL, Randal!

The thread is worth reading just to view the cluelessness of these folks. Most of the discussion centers around "True witches won't do that!"

Although, one person did say, "No, but I've asked God to punish him." Oi! :-P

Posted by: The Real JeffS at November 8, 2004 at 03:09 AM

Annalucia,

Good point that real mental illness is no laughing matter and can befall anyone. Faith and courage to you and your daughter.

Posted by: A at November 8, 2004 at 04:56 AM

Well, they're reality-based in that each and every one of them is based in his or her private little reality. And Democratic Underground is the wormhole connecting all those realities, so to speak.

Posted by: PW at November 8, 2004 at 05:19 AM

Wormhole for the DU? Sounds fitting.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at November 8, 2004 at 07:42 AM

Did he have a permit for the gun?

Posted by: Walsingham at November 8, 2004 at 07:55 AM

I think only Victoria Givens truly understands how leftists will feel over the next few years.

Posted by: Clem Snide at November 8, 2004 at 11:13 AM

Clem,

It would have been helpful to note "not work safe" for those who are reading from work. Many of us have no idea who Victoria Givens is.

Posted by: pst314 at November 9, 2004 at 04:08 AM

Well we do now! Oy...

Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 9, 2004 at 10:13 AM