November 05, 2004

ELECTION NEWS BRIEFLETS

• Daily Kos raised more than $500,000 to assist the campaigns of fifteen candidates. None were elected.

• Cathy Seipp's pal Lewis reviews the elegant and sultry speaking style of Fox News contributor Susan Estrich: "It's interesting and kind of a shame that for all the many opportunities open to a woman of such accomplishment and background -- editor of the Harvard Law Journal, TV pundit, etc. -- that one is forever closed to her: Phone sex operator."

• Check out the chin! It's raised to maximum defiance level!

• The LA Weekly gets all crazy with the fangs and the blood and the evil:

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• Don't believe the lying media, lying government, lying voters, or the whole lying world! John Kerry won!

• Mark Steyn in The Australian: "The Michael Mooronification of the Democratic Party proved a fatal error. Moore is the chief promoter of what's now the received opinion of Bush among the condescending Left -- Chimpy Bushitler the World's Dumbest Fascist. There are some takers for this view, but not enough. By running a campaign fuelled by Moore's caricature of Bush, the Democrats were doomed to defeat."

• Michele Catalano's A Small Victory has a new name.

• The Washington Post on post-election exit poll analysis: "After the survey is completed and the votes are counted, the exit poll results are adjusted to reflect the actual vote, which in theory improves the accuracy of all the exit poll results ..." To which reader Mr. Bingley replies: "Er, well, why yes, it does improve the accuracy if you adjust the figures to 'reflect the actual vote.' I found in high school that when i copied off of the teacher's answer key it improved the accuracy of my math scores, as well."

• Michael Moore's first thoughts after the election. Yeah, riiiight.

• Hey, Democrats! Relive your finest moments of Election 2003!

• How did Bush do? Compare his support in 2004 to the previous election (via political junkie):

Bush 2000/Bush 2004

African-Americans: 8%/11%
Whites: 54%/58%
Hispanic: 41%/44%
Married: 53%/56%
Not Married: 38%/40%
Union Members: 37%/40%
Gays: 25%/23%
Gun Owners: 61%/67%
Protestants: 63%/59%
Jewish: 19%/25%
Catholics: 45%/52%
Republicans: 91%/93%
Democrats: 10%/11%
Men: 51%/55%
Women: 43%/48%
18-29 year olds: 46%/45%
30-44 year olds: 49%/53%
45-59 year olds: 49%/51%
60+ 47%/54%

Posted by Tim Blair at November 5, 2004 01:33 PM
Comments

I wonder if that's supposed to be blood or oil dripping from his fangs

Posted by: lexine at November 5, 2004 at 01:47 PM

Priest for Life sums up the Catholic vote situation.

The Dems, just like the ALP in Aust, have traditionally thought they 'owned' the Catholic vote. Not any more.

Posted by: TN at November 5, 2004 at 01:48 PM

Two tips in one post! I should start asking for tips myself...

Posted by: Jim Treacher at November 5, 2004 at 01:50 PM

Are you saying 1/3 of American gun owners chose Kerry?!

Well, having seen some of the buffoons in the woods during hunting season, I guess that's possible...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 5, 2004 at 02:00 PM

OT: The lefties lost the election. You might say they were Bushwhacked. (Ok, I hear the groans. It’s NOT original? Really?)

But why not whack 'em some more? I know it's cruel but...

THE BUSH-SUPPORTER GLOATING SONG [DRAFT]
(To the tune of Frankie Laine's "Rawhide"; original lyrics at: http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/rawhide.htm)

Gloatin', gloatin', gloatin'
Gloatin', gloatin', gloatin'
Gloatin', gloatin', gloatin'
We’re gloatin', gloatin', gloatin'
RAWHIDE

We’re gloatin', gloatin', gloatin'
Here them lefties groanin’
Keep them moonbats moanin’
RAWHIDE

Wishin' it forever
We tanned their hides for leather
Knowin' that Right was by our side [More provocatively: Knowin' that God was on our side]
Watch them moonbats mopin'
Keep LIVIN', FREE ‘n' HOPIN' [Corny? But I like it.]
‘n' HAIL our mighty waxin' tide [Oh dear! Help!]

CHORUS (as original)
Move 'em on, head 'em up
Head 'em up, move 'em on
Move 'em on, head 'em up
RAW...HIDE
...

The last verse of the original strikes me as appropriate pretty much as it stands:

Keep movin', movin', movin'
Though they're disapprovin'
Keep them doggies movin'
RAWHIDE
Don't try to understand 'em
Just rope 'em, pull and brand 'em
Soon we'll be living high and wide
My hearts calculatin'
My true love will be waitin'
Be waitin' at the end of my ride

As you can see I’m no poet. I’m sure someone could improve on it. Maybe record it and send copies for Christmas to those nice folks from Guardian who spared their valuable time to write helpful letters to the morally indigent voters in Clark County? It's an archetypal cowboy tune (I think, but I'm British) so I’m sure it would go down a treat with the guardianistas.

Tee hee!

Posted by: JamesUK at November 5, 2004 at 02:02 PM

So still Bush didn`t win ,Which half of the countrys dumb and stupid now.?

Posted by: Le clerc at November 5, 2004 at 02:24 PM

Gays: 25%/23%

Considering his support for a constitutional amendment against gay marriage must have cost more than 2%, some of his other policies must have improved his popularity in that demographic. Gosh, I wonder what it could be?

Posted by: Andjam at November 5, 2004 at 02:32 PM

"...reviews the elegant and sultry speaking style of Fox News contributor Susan Estrich"

Give me Rita Cosby. That slightly husky voice and the Catriona Roundtree look works for me.

Posted by: Craig Mc at November 5, 2004 at 02:49 PM

"...the elegant and sultry speaking style of Fox News contributor Susan Estrich"

Give me Rita Cosby. That slightly husky voice and the Catriona Rowntree looks do it for me.

Posted by: Craig Mc at November 5, 2004 at 02:53 PM

More election fun: Check out the idiots at http://www.sorryeverybody.com/ !

Posted by: EvilPundit at November 5, 2004 at 02:54 PM

The media has been spinning all day like a bunch of drunken ballerinas on crack. They keep saying RELIGIOUS differences brought people out. Maybe in the 11 states where there were bans against gay marraige - but what about the other 57 MILLION votes for Bush? Here I thought they might learn something but I heard them on TV tonight saying they need to go FURTHER to the left! Ugh! Guess next time we'll get even MORE of the vote from their side. What idiots.

Posted by: Kathleen A at November 5, 2004 at 03:07 PM

EvilPundit, what a classic. Go to the bottom of the page. You can email your sorry material!

May be we should tell them how happy we are.

Posted by: TN at November 5, 2004 at 03:08 PM

It's nice to know that Michael Moore thinks of the troops so much. It's nice to know they can count on his support. That is, when he's not glorifying the deeds of the "minutemen" who kill them.

Posted by: Jorge at November 5, 2004 at 03:12 PM

Hmm...is it just me, or is the pentacle on W's collar awfully close to being a star of david?

Of course, the left aren't anti-semitic and wouldn't dream of ranting about "Zionist lobbies" would they?

Posted by: Quentin George at November 5, 2004 at 03:22 PM

My thoughts too, Jorge... if he's so keen on the welfare of these guys, why make his infamous minutemen rant?

Posted by: Wilbur at November 5, 2004 at 03:24 PM

The latest media beat-up is that Jeb Bush will run in 2008. Imagine how many heads would explode if it happened?

Posted by: Art Vandelay at November 5, 2004 at 03:39 PM

Nah, it's a pentagram, not a Star of David. They might be stupid and reactionary, but they do live in LA.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at November 5, 2004 at 03:43 PM

Thanks for the link, EvilPundit! I gotta do something about that......

Posted by: The Real JeffS at November 5, 2004 at 03:45 PM

All humor aside, one thing M.Moore said was dead-on and truly troubling:

17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million Americans voted for the candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore. Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for a trend it should be this -- that so many Americans were, for the first time since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has always been filled with evangelicals -- that is not news. What IS news is that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact, that's BIG news.

Posted by: John from OK at November 5, 2004 at 03:48 PM

Nah! These figures are just plain wrong. The Protestant vote dropped 4 percent? Can't be true.
It was those crazy, evangelical, Christian, fundamentalist fanatics that stole the election from Big John, so how could their vote have dropped?. I know that because the ABC's 7.30 Report told me so last night - you know, the news source you can trust!

Posted by: Boss Hog at November 5, 2004 at 03:59 PM

Sorry for off topic but check this out.Go to google type in wmd hit i'm feeling lucky and read carefully error message.

Posted by: gubbaboy at November 5, 2004 at 04:15 PM

Moore said:
"...over 55 million Americans voted for the candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore. Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan."

We may have come second BUT we did break the world record.

I hope he keeps this stuff up.

Posted by: amortiser at November 5, 2004 at 04:37 PM

Well, John, that's true, 55 million people did vote for Kerry. But Moore is not accurate in his assessment, nor is it relevant.

He misses the point that 55 million didn't vote liberal; they voted for a liberal candidate. It's not quite the same thing, especially if you recall the "ANYONE BUT BUSH" mantra from the left. A number of Republicans voted for Kerry, as a number of Democrats voted for Bush.

Turn this statement around, and you have "...that so 59 million Americans were, for the first time since Reagan, willing to vote for a conservative."

Same trend, only in red, not blue. And just as inaccurate.

Add in the fact that Kerry was not always liberal in his policies, nor was Bush conservative in his, and this analysis is purely spin from Moore.

Moore also ignores a larger voter turnout for a presidential election than normal.

A better conclusion is that people are not following typical party lines, and are voting for what they feel is important. In this case, the democratic process put the issues and values as expressed by a nominally conservative president ahead of the issues and values as expressed by a nominally liberal candidate.

In short....d'oh!

Posted by: The Real JeffS at November 5, 2004 at 05:07 PM

I'm still riding a giddy high from this election: Bush wins, Daschle loses, GOP gains in the House, Senate and Governorships, as well as in State Houses. I'm afraid to pinch myself for fear it's all a dream! But the BEST, the very BESTEST thing is watching all the liberal exploding heads, imploding ids, and melting egos. Bush's win pisses off ALL the right people. I feel guilty about not feeling guilty about how much I'm NOT "feeling their pain". Well, that's it for now. I need to get back to pointing at the TV and giggling like a girl at all the liberals in denial. Tee hee.

Posted by: Bloghorn Bleghorn at November 5, 2004 at 05:24 PM

"Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan."

Is that a veiled Frankenstein joke? Is he saying Kerry is more electable than any other corpse?

Posted by: Jim Treacher at November 5, 2004 at 05:26 PM

25% of gays voted for Bush. More than I would have thought

Only 59% of Protestans voted for Bush? That means 41% went for Kerry. What were they smoking?

Posted by: Faramir at November 5, 2004 at 05:30 PM

UPDATE:

OMG!!! EvilPundit; thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for that sorryeverybody link! That HAS to be the most abjectly pathetic collection of liberal mutts anywhere! I'm STILL wiping tears out of my eyes from laughing. Bravisimo!

Posted by: Bloghorn Bleghorn at November 5, 2004 at 05:35 PM

OMG and they've put their pictures up. Imagine what dicks they'll look like when their grandchildren ask what did you do during the war?

Posted by: Dean McAskil at November 5, 2004 at 06:27 PM

Gubbaboy, that is a gag that is about 2 year old. If I remember correctly some bloke from California came up with the gag. Look at the url.

Posted by: TN at November 5, 2004 at 06:46 PM

Hate to admit it, but Moore's "17 Reasons" really is pretty funny. I mean, intentionally so. I'll give the fat prick credit where it's due.

The only Moorean lapse into retarded unreality is his football analogy. Uh, sorry, Mike, but you haven't picked up yardage and are 3 yards from a first down. In 2000 you scored a touchdown (500,000 (?) popular votes) that was nullified by a bad call. On the following play (2004), you got sacked for a 3,500,000 yard loss. Also, your cheerleaders are ugly.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 5, 2004 at 07:15 PM

"Only 59% of Protestans voted for Bush? That means 41% went for Kerry. What were they smoking?"

I guess you haven't been seeing what's going on with the Anglican, Episcopal and Presbyterian churches.

And then ya got yer Unitarians.

Here's the really, really grim news for the Dems - while the Republicans had the hardcore jeebus-freak Baptists, the Dems could counter with the Catholics (the whole Irish/Italian underclass urban thing was working for them). This time, the Catholics broke for Bush. I should have known Kerry was in trouble when my Mom told me she was undecided. This woman has voted Democrat all her life. Now she was hedging on a Catholic Democrat. You know what was giving her trouble? Stem cell research. I thought it was a blip in the campaign, but it might have cost Kerry some votes.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 5, 2004 at 07:32 PM

new to me,my late.

Posted by: gubbaboy at November 5, 2004 at 08:36 PM

Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan.

I don't think Reagan was on the 2004 ballot in very many precincts.

Finally and most importantly, over 55 million Americans voted for the candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate."

Kerry did not run as a liberal. In fact Kerry ran away and concealed his liberal record as much as possible.

Posted by: perfectsense at November 5, 2004 at 09:06 PM

Heh, do you really think that the neocon revolution is going to happen?

Look, Bush is going to throw his fundamentalist base a few crumbs - maybe a federal judge or two (he won't get neocons on the Supreme Court - too many moderate Repos).

Next, he is going to try to dismantle the very things that the people in all those mostly poor states (in terms of fiscal dynamism) need to thrive. Good public education (American kids are ranking way down there in the developed world), public health, drug costs, etc. Let's see how much MORE worse off these people are in four years. When will they learn? Is it too late for the red zone?

This election was about people getting suckered by big money. In the end, they will find that the few shillings and token phrases (e.g. down with gay marriage!) thatv bought their vote will not see nearly the returns on their emotional investment that they thought.

Bush and his corporate pals win. And the part of America that needs help the most loses, again. Pity.

(btw, I live in a thriving urban area - voted blue - goood schools, plenty of good work, no bigotry...it's like a different country than the red zone - - I love it...so god bless 'em)

Posted by: charlemagne at November 5, 2004 at 09:55 PM

Hey, Tim, check out Michael Moore's website now -- 17 Reasons Not To Slit Your Wrists -- priceless ....

Posted by: Cecil at November 5, 2004 at 10:23 PM

Perfectsense is right. Kerry didn't run as an liberal (in the American sense). Why else was he photographed every day either with a gun or playing sports? Why did he play up being a "war hero"? Why did he try to suppress every mention of his radical activities in the 70's? Why did he talk of restraint with government spending? And so on.

It's been clear for a decade now that no overtly left-wing party can get elected any more in the Anglosphere.

What *is* worrying is that left-wing parties that make a show of throwing off the excesses of the 60's left *can* get in, for example, New Labour in the UK. Or the Clinton administration, come to that. If the Dems dump (or pretend to dump) the Michael Moore wing, they have a real shot at power in the future.

Posted by: Scott Campbell at Blithering Bunny at November 5, 2004 at 10:27 PM

>I live in a thriving urban area - voted blue - goood schools, plenty of good work, no bigotry

No bigotry, except against white flyover state hicks.

In the UK, much of the chattering class has access to wealth, good jobs, good schools, etc. *because* they're being paid by taxes taken from the working stiffs who live in shittier areas, who have to put up with the deleterious social consequences of leftism, and who can't afford to move to the good school catchment areas because the New Class can pay more for houses than them.

Maybe other readers can confirm whether this sort of thing happens in the US as well.

Posted by: Scott Campbell at Blithering Bunny at November 5, 2004 at 10:35 PM

Hey, all you have to do is replace that pentagram with a star of David and it what you will see in the press in parts of the Arab world.

Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge at November 5, 2004 at 10:51 PM

So what urban area do you live in, charlie? I haven't heard of one anywhere that is free of bigotry. Sounds like one of those all-yuppie gentrified places if you ask me, where of course there is no bigotry because everyone comes from the same socio-economic class.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 5, 2004 at 11:13 PM

Geez I hate Michael Moore. I so wish he'd choke to death on a Krispy Creme. A blubber filled self-centered glory hound spewing his devisive lies. He is riding the Cyclone Roller Coaster to Hell. May his boils develop boils. May the next bear-claw he inhales rupture his aorta. May his next breath cause his bowels to dump all his vital organs into his oversized underpants.
OK, I really feel better now. Just needed to rant like a DailyKos poster for a moment. All done now!

Posted by: Bob I at November 5, 2004 at 11:25 PM

So you don't consider "Christian Bashing" bigotry? And I also have question for you, do you live in America?


(btw, I live in a thriving urban area - voted blue - goood schools, plenty of good work, no bigotry...it's like a different country than the red zone - - I love it...so god bless 'em)

Posted by: charlemagne at November 5, 2004 at 09:55 PM


Posted by: Bob I at November 5, 2004 at 11:32 PM

For none-American readers of this blog, Charlie is being misleading. The American public school system is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party. Teachers are by far the largest delegate block at Democrat Nation Convention. The public schools operate like under the Democrat ideal: Inject more money, get less results, inject more money, and get less results- repeat until broke. Any attempts at reform are met with howls from the Democrats whose only solution is to demand more money.

Posted by: perfectsense at November 5, 2004 at 11:39 PM

As for the Moorons' rant, did you notice that there was ONE NAME (at least) missing from his list of killed-in-action? Pat Tillman, who gave up his NFL career to become an Army Ranger and serve to defend our country. Takes a lot of class to do that, eh Mikey?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 5, 2004 at 11:54 PM

...did you notice that there was ONE NAME (at least) missing from his list of killed-in-action? Pat Tillman...

Far be it from me to defend Tubby McButtfuck, but I think he was only listing soldiers killed in Iraq, not Afghanistan (even though he opposed that war before he started complaining that Bush didn't fight it hard enough).

Posted by: Damian P. at November 5, 2004 at 11:58 PM

True, perfectsense, Kerry did not run as a liberal. When campaigning in a conservative area. He didn't go duck hunting in Boston, as I recall.

He attempted to portray himself as a liberal. He aligned himself with the "classic" liberal (i.e., the not-so-moonbat-left-but-just-barely-so) portion of the DNC. He espoused liberal ideas.

In short, Kerry appealed to the liberal (i.e., leftwing) base as much as possible, while trying to suck up the swing voters.

So, IMHO, Kerry was the "liberal" candidate. More or less. Sort of. Even if he waffled on an hourly basis. Shoot the goose but refuse to carry it, indeed! :-)

Posted by: The Real JeffS at November 6, 2004 at 12:44 AM

not surprisingly, at least one german print journalist covering the election from new york was so distraught at the result that he forgot to write his story... and had to plagiarize by stealing parts of it from the new york times.

Posted by: nicki at November 6, 2004 at 01:26 AM

Charlemagne, people here don't fall for your neocon slander. We all know its either code for Jew or just a made up term to try to divide conservatives. Go back to your dungeon.

Posted by: Faramir at November 6, 2004 at 01:35 AM

Moore: 10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress, including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates can't.

Uh... what does this mean? African Americans elected to Congress are not the same thing as "our candidates"? Oh, oh, I forgot. Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man.

Posted by: Rebecca at November 6, 2004 at 01:51 AM

I live in Cynthia McKinney's district. She's anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, pro-Arab, funded by Arab money, white hating, business bashing, US detesting, and furthest left you can go kind of gal. But, apparently, that she has dark skin is why she rightfully belongs in Congress doing the people's business.

Michael Moore and his ilk just love those ethnic types who live on the Democrats' plantation doing their bidding. Don't one dare leave or they is an Uncle Tom Powell or Condi Rice.

Posted by: A at November 6, 2004 at 03:57 AM

Anyone who'd celebrate the return of that Jew-hating harpy McKinney to Congress has got to have his head up his ass... oh wait, it's Mikey the Liar. Nevermind.

Faramir, like most leftists, Charlie the Clueless probably doesn't even know what a "neocon" is, but if you ask him to name some, his list would be Jews or those suspected of being Jews (like Donald Rumsfeld).

Posted by: Spiny Norman at November 6, 2004 at 04:01 AM

The good thing about guys like charlemagne is that he (with his anti-Flyover Country bigotry) is the exact reason why the Democrats are well on their way to becoming a regional party only. They've lost the South, they're gonna lose the remainder of the Midwest within a couple more election cycles, so all that leaves them with are the CA-OR-WA strip and the Northeast. Charlie should be encouraged to keep shilling for the Democrats as much as possible until 2008. (Preferably not on this blog, though.) After all, his beloved talking points worked out so well this time around.

Posted by: PW at November 6, 2004 at 06:17 AM

Doe anyone that isn't already a rabid Leftist take Greg Palast seriously?

How much will he be able to milk telling people (again, still) that Republicans Just Cannot Ever Win A Presidential Election?

And why hasn't a vengeful God taken him home?

Posted by: Sigivald at November 6, 2004 at 06:19 AM

PW:"The good thing about guys like charlemagne is that he (with his anti-Flyover Country bigotry) is the exact reason why the Democrats are well on their way to becoming a regional party only. They've lost the South, they're gonna lose the remainder of the Midwest within a couple more election cycles, so all that leaves them with are the CA-OR-WA strip and the Northeast. Charlie should be encouraged to keep shilling for the Democrats as much as possible until 2008. (Preferably not on this blog, though.) After all, his beloved talking points worked out so well this time around."
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I love this delusion! As long as the urban areas - growing, btw - continue to thrive, people will continue to be happy in the blue states. Right now, we're getting fragged down by all the welfare payments we have to make to poor, rural red state people who continue to work against their own interests.

Take the South and midwest for example - they've been neocon for a generation now, and they're WORSE off than they were 20 years ago.

When will they learn. Dumb, and dumber?

Soon, Americans are going to wake up to big money in politics - BOTH parties are to balme for this.

The problem with getting a conversation going is that the politicians have all been very successful at having Americans (and Australians, btw) play their game.

Posted by: charlemagne at November 6, 2004 at 09:04 AM

Let's clear something up that charlemagne said - because non-Americans wouldn't know this:

A majority of urban school districts in the United States - ones that no doubt voted blue Tuesday - are somewhere between horrible and wretched. Learning does not take place inside those four walls - at least nothing worth learning.

I don't agree entirely though with perfectsense because while large blocks of teachers (as members of the two major teacher's unions) are in lock-step with the Democratic party, it matters greatly where you sample your teachers from. Those piss-poor urban schools, of which there are many unfortunately, that never improve ARE full of unionized Democrats. Most good schools have an abundance of politically center-right teachers... the catch is, those schools are in suburbs and exurbs where the populace is conservative as well.

Posted by: Tom at November 6, 2004 at 09:04 AM

Let me follow up more of charlemagne's insanity with something.... many of the urban areas that are growing ARE in the south or west - in areas that are primarily republican in their suburbs - cities like Jacksonville, Charlotte, Atlanta, Nashville, Dallas, Phoenix, Las Vegas. But the schools representing the central cities are mostly terrible - it's the suburbs, filled with conservatives, that have great schools. Those poor souls stuck actually living in the city, if they have any money at all, usually send their kids to private schools.

Posted by: Tom at November 6, 2004 at 09:08 AM

Tom: "A majority of urban school districts in the United States - ones that no doubt voted blue Tuesday - are somewhere between horrible and wretched. Learning does not take place inside those four walls - at least nothing worth learning."
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This is largely true for most American public education. For instance, in the SOuth (a red zone) they still teach the Bibical version of human development as an alternative to Darwinism. It's required!

Both parties have used education as a whipping boy as education all over the country gets worse. More treasure squandered.

True, in some *parts* of urban America, public schools are in bad shape, that's also true for much of rural America as well. That's the STRAIGHT story, Tom

I don't agree entirely though with perfectsense because while large blocks of teachers (as members of the two major teacher's unions) are in lock-step with the Democratic party, it matters greatly where you sample your teachers from. Those piss-poor urban schools, of which there are many unfortunately, that never improve ARE full of unionized Democrats.
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Wrong again, MOST teachers unions are Cem. Why? Because most teachers have been struggling with underfunded education mandates for the last 20 years. Clinton tried to undo what Reagan did to public schooling, but now Bush is bringing it all back home. Oh well, maybe we can start teaching about how the earth is flat in Alabama schools.

Most good schools have an abundance of politically center-right teachers... the catch is, those schools are in suburbs and exurbs where the populace is conservative as well."
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Try again. I know this sector well as I have four good friend who teach, and have taught myself in the past.

This is where we get our supply of Walmart workers in the red states.

Bottom line: K-12 education in America falls behind most of the rest of the world. University education is very good.

Posted by: charlemagne at November 6, 2004 at 09:11 AM

The notion that Bush's support rose among virtually every group except Protestants defies common sense. It also defies this CNN summary of the Exit Poll data - I demand a recount.

Posted by: Tom Maguire at November 6, 2004 at 09:50 AM

I love this delusion! As long as the urban areas - growing, btw - continue to thrive, people will continue to be happy in the blue states. Right now, we're getting fragged down by all the welfare payments we have to make to poor, rural red state people who continue to work against their own interests.
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Haha, look man, I don't know who your trying to fool, but welfare payments are not primarily paid to "poor, rural red state people". They're given primarily to minority democratic voters that happen to live in red states.

I've seen this slander repeated many times over on various websites, and the logic goes something like this: "the majority of government assistance is given to the red states, and so therefore it must go to republicans!" Brilliant! You ever realize that there are plenty of "blue" voters in these states.

No, the payments go towards subsidizing the overwhelming Democratic minority vote within those states. The majority of blacks live in the south and the average income of a black household is around $10,000. Look up the numbers if you care to see how many minority versus non-minority people are on welfare in the red states.


Posted by: smengie at November 6, 2004 at 09:56 AM

PW, count the southernmost part of California out of the Blue vote.

San Diego city and county voted more Red than the country as a whole, and it is a city that is gay-friendly, with a large and thriving gay population (one community even actively courted gay residents as an urban renewal effort, and it worked quite well), the highest per capita mixed-ethnicity marriages in the US, and is comfortably multicultural, in ways that residents of most cities will never understand.

If you've lived here, you know what I mean.

Posted by: Barry at November 6, 2004 at 10:10 AM

"Try again. I know this sector well as I have four good friend who teach, and have taught myself in the past."

Exhibit A for why the government schools fail so badly: they let this guy teach! I hope to God he didn't try to teach English!

Posted by: Vicki at November 6, 2004 at 10:29 AM

[Dissent crushed. The Management.]

Posted by: charlemagne at November 6, 2004 at 12:39 PM

[Dissent crushed. The Management.]

Posted by: charlemagne at November 6, 2004 at 12:41 PM

[Dissent crushed. The Management.]

Posted by: charlemagne at November 6, 2004 at 12:59 PM

[Dissent crushed. The Management.]

Posted by: charlemagne at November 6, 2004 at 01:04 PM

I'm sorry, I don't recall giving you, Charlemagne, a pass to take over this thread and turn it into the Charlemagne Masturbation Hour. You have been banned. Congratulations.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 6, 2004 at 01:08 PM

These "most votes ever," and "more votes than" comments just fry me. Has anyone stopped to consider there are more people now than there were when Reagan, Clinton, whoever was running. What are the percentages of the total population at the times these comparative measurements were taken. Knowing that would tell us something real.

Posted by: bill at November 6, 2004 at 02:26 PM

Estrich and I have something in common: her face and my ass. I'd take O'Reilly and a bottle of Vasoline with sand in it first.

I wonder if Michael Moore will sue Arafat for imitating him and going brain dead?

Posted by: Buster at November 6, 2004 at 03:27 PM

What "urban" area is he talking about?

I live in D.C., the most liberal area around, and anything outside of the Washington Mall is pure crap. Extremely high crime, and awful job opportunities. Good job liberal policies!

Posted by: Greg at November 6, 2004 at 03:28 PM

So the Democrats actually won Ohio. The Republican’s stole the presidency, again!

Here’s the bit I don’t understand, perhaps some US readers can help me. If Republican voters are all stupid (I know this because I read it in letters to The Age) and Democrat voters are so clever, why is it that it’s always Democrat voters that can’t cast a vote properly.

Posted by: matt at November 6, 2004 at 05:01 PM

The only statement of charlemagne's that really sums up his problem was this:

Soon, Americans are going to wake up to big money in politics

No, not the whole sentence, just the first word: "Soon..." That's the thing with deluded leftists - they've been waiting for decades, always telling each other that the big revolution is just around the corner. Well, keep waiting Charlie. And don't forget to take your meds to make the wait a little more bearable.

BTW Charlie, the urban areas may be growing, but a) as some others have pointed out, they're primarily growing in Republican-leaning suburbs, and b) they're not growing fast enough to net you any benefit. You apparently missed the most recent adjustment of the state electoral votes, which transferred several votes from your beloved liberal bastions to the vast emptiness of flyover country. Guess it's not so empty after all.

Posted by: PW at November 6, 2004 at 10:52 PM

The only statement of charlemagne's that really sums up his problem was this:

Soon, Americans are going to wake up to big money in politics

No, not the whole sentence, just the first word: "Soon..." That's the thing with deluded leftists - they've been waiting for decades, always telling each other that the big revolution is just around the corner. Well, keep waiting Charlie. And don't forget to take your meds to make the wait a little more bearable.

BTW Charlie, the urban areas may be growing, but a) as some others have pointed out, they're primarily growing in Republican-leaning suburbs, and b) they're not growing fast enough to net you any benefit. You apparently missed the most recent adjustment of the state electoral votes, which transferred several votes from your beloved liberal bastions to the vast emptiness of flyover country. Guess it's not so empty after all.

Posted by: PW at November 6, 2004 at 10:53 PM

Darnit, sorry about the double post.

Posted by: PW at November 6, 2004 at 10:54 PM

KOS is going to stand for "Kiss Of Silence."

Posted by: LCVRWC at November 6, 2004 at 11:11 PM

"(btw, I live in a thriving urban area - voted blue - goood schools, plenty of good work, no bigotry...it's like a different country than the red zone - - I love it...so god bless 'em)"

Well, I too live in a thriving urban area - Chicago, which has been a fief of the Democratic Party since 1932, and which went solidly for Kerry. Work is good, true; but no bigotry? Get real! The murder rate is four times that of NYC; and while there are some good public schools, many of them are dismal. (The half-billion dollars the city government spent on Millenium Park and its Frank Gehry bandshell would have bought a lot of textbooks.) If you have money, Chicago is a great place to live; but for the poor - and increasingly for the middle class, who are getting hammered by skyrocketing property taxes - it's becoming ever-more inhospitable.

How odd that a leftist should, in the name of equality, trumpet a place that's increasingly becoming a playground of the rich. Or may it's not so odd; maybe in fact it's typical.

Posted by: Brown Line at November 6, 2004 at 11:53 PM

Here is the most obviously true thing Charly said:

"Try again. I know this sector well as I have four good friend who teach, and have taught myself in the past."

He is obviously self-taught, by an ignorant fool, probably a member of the NEA (teachers' union -- I,on the other hand, am a coerced member of the other teachers' union, AFT).

He should have found a better teacher, one with some facts and his head out in the open.

Posted by: JorgXMcKie at November 7, 2004 at 12:48 AM

Right on OZZIES! Your own re-election of John Howard was very helpful. Imagine the reverse: it would have given Kerry momentum. So, good on ya.

Just another ignorant, intolerant, uncouth, uneducated, unsophisticated, gay-baiting homophobic bigot from the great RED state of Virginia

Posted by: ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ at November 7, 2004 at 03:55 AM

I just stumbled on this site following a chain of links, and I'm so saddened by reading the comments. Yes, I'm a democrat from a blue state, as you might have guessed. Call me an idealist, but I woudn't post comments like these about my worst enemy--which obviously I am to most of you--and I'm bummed not by the gloating but by the nastiness. Guess that's why I don't visit sites like this, either dem or repub, too often. It's also not convincing me to vote a for republican in the future, though, that's for sure. There are a few reasonable voices on here, but way too few.

Posted by: charlie2 at November 7, 2004 at 09:15 AM

Aww, a sheltered Democrat...

Since all the irresponsible Bush=Hitler, Bush Lied People Died talk from your party (including several of its elected Members of Congress) didn't keep you from voting for the Democrats, pardon me for not taking you too seriously when you say that nasty posts on this blog are discouraging you from voting Republican in the future. Unless you actually are serious, in which case you're obviously holding Republicans to a different standard than Democrats, and are not to be taken seriously, period. Sorry to be so blunt.

I suggest you check out the fever swamps over at dailykos.com or atrios.blogspot.com if you're honestly under the impression that this blog is excessively nasty.

Posted by: PW at November 7, 2004 at 10:20 AM

Oh, BTW, what are your thoughts on the Bush-as-bloodsucking-vampire picture at the top of this thread, charlie2? That's the mindset of the party faithful of your party. Pretty, ain't it?

Posted by: PW at November 7, 2004 at 10:23 AM

I think people just got sick of the media, hearing our military belittled and hearing and seeing dorks like Moore and Franken yammer. I personally couldn't handle the thought of listening to four years of hearing Kerry drooooooning on in his stentorian speeeaking styyyyle. And I wasn't up for another uxorious president. Can you imagine Teresa H. K. in the White House blurting new outrages day by day to the press? It would be un-American, I tells ya.

Give me Bush any day. You never know what'll tumble out of his mouth. Besides, I like him. He runs a taut ship and yet he's humble before the ordinary folk. That's what U.S. presidents are supposed to be.

That and he did what every red-blooded American wanted to do after 9/11.

Posted by: AST at November 7, 2004 at 04:31 PM