October 26, 2004


Itís terrible when innocent comments are taken out of context:

Two high-profile Muslim leaders in Canada have been forced to issue clarifications for anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli comments.

In East Vancouver, the head of Dar al-Madinah Islamic Society came under attack for calling Jews "brothers of monkeys and swine" during a recorded lecture following Israel's killing of Sheik Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of Hamas, last spring.

Now Sheik Younus Kathrada says the comments were taken out of context.

Itís also a damn shame when innocent comments are misunderstood:

Meanwhile, the president of the influential Canadian Islamic Congress, Mohamed Elmasry, also came under attack after a television interview last week, in which he said any Israeli over age 18 was a legitimate target for suicide bombers because adult Israelis were required to do military service.

"They are part of the Israeli army, even if they have civilian clothes," Elmasry argued on the Ontario current affairs show The Michael Coren Show.

"I sincerely regret that my comments were misunderstood and, as a result, caused offence," Elmasry was quoted in a web posting over the weekend.

(Via Alan R. M. Jones, now safely returned to Australia)

Posted by Tim Blair at October 26, 2004 01:41 AM

haven't these guys heard of the "it's satire!!!" defense?

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at October 26, 2004 at 01:51 AM

Brothers of monkeys and swine? Since when did monkeys and swines start hanging out together? Ever see monkeys and swines in the same cage at the zoo? It's crazy.

Nope, one can be a brother to monkeys or be a brother to pigs, but not to both monkeys and pigs. It's only common sense man, Jeeze.

Posted by: Charles at October 26, 2004 at 01:53 AM

Lol, taken outta context yes that will work. I wonder if any of the Nazis used that as defence at Nurenberg.

Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge at October 26, 2004 at 01:57 AM

You fools. "Con t'ekst" is the Arabic term for "reality "(Wahhabi dialect).

Posted by: ras at October 26, 2004 at 02:04 AM

Wow, Muslim clerics actually being held accountable for their hatred in Canada? I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for any follow-through...

Posted by: PW at October 26, 2004 at 02:20 AM

On the plus side, at least this is mainstream news here in Canada right now, and even the left wing press are at least covering the story. So far I haven't seen our national press try and help justify the statements - which around here I would consider a major achievement.

Posted by: Axeman at October 26, 2004 at 02:32 AM

The sad fact is that we all descend from monkeys and the single animal we all share the most dna with is the pig.

Maybe that explain something about why the moslems hate science - with perhaps one exception the science that can lead to weapons of mass destruction.

Posted by: T Hansen at October 26, 2004 at 02:35 AM

Lemme guess... they made no attempt to explain what they 'really meant', did they?

Posted by: Dave at October 26, 2004 at 02:52 AM

Their problem isn't being taken out of context, it's that everyone DID understand them the first time. They ought to start selling bullit-proof shoes with all the crazies shooting themselves in the foot lately. :-P

Posted by: Jeremy at October 26, 2004 at 03:07 AM

Sometimes I think they keep testing the waters to see how far they can go: "OK, that was shot down, so we'll tone it down for a bit, just keep softening them up..."

Posted by: ilana at October 26, 2004 at 04:17 AM

The "monkeys and pigs" thing gets used often as it's from the Koran. Our local terrorist Sami Al-Arian called them the same thing.

Posted by: Donnah at October 26, 2004 at 04:41 AM

These are truly bizarre quotes from a group of men who prefer the company of goats rather than women. Go figure.

Posted by: Harry in Atlanta at October 26, 2004 at 04:54 AM

As we know from Genesis, Isaac (ancestor of the Jews) and Ishmael (ancestor of the Arabs) were indeed (half-)brothers.

Therefore, Kathrada's comment that Jews are "brothers of monkeys and swine" really isn't a miso-Judaic insult. In context, it is a humble admission that he, like all other Arabs, is an ape and a pig.

Posted by: John "Akatsukami" Braue at October 26, 2004 at 09:04 AM

John you stole my thunder
perhaps the Jews should go on a campaign agreeing with the Arabs and showing the family tree from whence they descended- the more they agree with the Arabs the more the Arabs look the fools that they are

Posted by: Rose at October 26, 2004 at 10:20 AM

"Donnah -The "monkeys and pigs" thing gets used often as it's from the Koran. Our local terrorist Sami Al-Arian called them the same thing."

Yep itīs not something he has going on his own:

Quran 2.65 and 5.60.

Posted by: T Hansen at October 26, 2004 at 10:52 AM

Sure. These muscular Canadian defenders of The West (and themselves) will be all over these guys. That red maple leaf snapping in the breeze strikes terror in the hearts of Muslims everywhere.

Posted by: Rhod at October 26, 2004 at 11:38 AM

Seems to me that the muslims are always being taken out of context. Maybe journalists can ask them about the appropriate context when they get the quote.

What was that? They're not sure what context is?

Posted by: Fool to Himself & Burden to Others at October 26, 2004 at 02:19 PM

Not happy Muslims! You know I had to tell my 7 year old daughter today that "no we are not all going to be killed" after she was told that at school (in Australia).

What I did tell her was just like throughout our history ... we were before they existed... we will exist long after they cease to be...

The "monkey's and swine's" first nuclear bomb produced in the 1960's reportedly had "never again" written on the side. I used to be a bleeding heart liberal, but now I sleep safer knowing that I have a home I can flee to - one which has a submarine-bourne second-strike nuclear capability to exact a toll anywhere in the world. Or that the Jericho II can deliver one to London, Paris or Moscow.

Hopefully, the USA won't abandon Israel, leaving only those weapons between us and our enemies.

Posted by: Ian Nathan at October 26, 2004 at 06:01 PM

Of course the full context was no doubt him saying that Jews and Crusaders are "brothers of monkeys and swine". Perhaps CBC thought it went without saying.

Posted by: Clem Snide at October 26, 2004 at 11:52 PM

Some of my best friends are brothers of monkeys and swine.

Posted by: Sheikh Younus Kathrada at October 26, 2004 at 11:54 PM