Tim Blair

Notice how virtually none of those people pictured were under 40?

Who unlocked the door to the Alzheimer's wing???

The "Peace Salaam" one is pretty clearly Photoshopped. WUWT?

"Dennis Kucinich and his mother keep the peace message alive."

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Somebody is horsing around in the hey whitey picture, with the horns.

"Our hearts overflow with tears"

I'm no doctor, but that many small tears in the heart muscle would seem to indicate a severe problem.

Ron, those are bunny ears.

And Tim, that "How's the prayer for the Weed Wacker" line ... Oh My God!! HAHAHAAAA!

http://www.forusa.org/iraqphoto/Data/page.htm?67,0

Hello, nurse. Just cover up those shoulders before sending the photo to Iraq, wouldn't want them mad about the nudity, kthx.

"Best of all, there were hardly any beautiful women at the ...(1990)... rally. I saw a journalist friend of mine in the Mall, and he and I purused this line of inquiry as assiduously as our happy private lives allow. Practically every female at the march was a bowser. "We're not being sexist here," my friend insisted. "It's not that looks matter per se. It's just that beautiful women are always on the cutting edge of social trends. Remember how many beautiful women were in the anti-war movement twenty years ago? In the yoga classes fifteen years ago? At the discos ten years ago? On Wall Street five years ago? Where the beautiful women are is where the country is headed," said my friend. "And this," he looked around him, "isn't it."

P.J. O'Rourke

This is a modernization of the 1960's peace marches. Instead of massing thousands of drugged hippies in one city, they mass digital photos of ancient hippies on a drug plan through the INTERNET.

I can not take these loons seriously. If they are so damned sincere about world peace, sending incomphrensible messages to the world is not a solution. Not unless "world peace" means everyone gets (and will accept!) a hug.

And if people from their own culture can't understand what these peaceniks want, how the heck are "Iraquis" supposed to get the message?

I shake my head in dismay. Could we have an exchange program with Europe? One of these weenies for someone with a brain and spine?

My heart is full of grief and shame, Tim, for spamming your "Club for Growth" post with a link to my "Apologize to Saddam" comedy goldmine. In hindsight, that was the wrong spam at the wrong post at the wrong time. I can do better.

I am sorry that we sank the aircraft carriers Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu and Soryu. My heart is filled with shame at the loss of so many young Japanese men and the hands of my government. Midway Island cannot be worth the deaths of so many innocent men and women, of all cultures, races and spiritual persuasions.

I am sure that you, the Japanese people, feel sorry for the loss of the airplane-carrying battleship "Yorktown" and all those men and women who died with her. But one less war-machine can only help the world be more peaceful.

This is easy enough to counter-act. The appropriate message here is "Democracy For Iraq". It's simple. It's hard to argue against. It could never have happened without Coalition forces overthrowing Saddam's regime. And Iraqis overwhelmingly support it.

Note to sign holders:

Women not escorted by their fathers or husbands, and women who can read and write will be stoned to death. Peace be with you.

- Allah

Where are the black people?

OK, I say we start a fund to buy airline tickets for these people so they can travel to Iraq and apologize personally to the Iraqis for the crime of removing Hussein.

No need to collect money for hotel rooms, I have a feeling they won't be staying long.

I'd trade the lot of them for Mark Steyn and a couple of legal immigrants. Wait. No, I'd trade them just for Mark Steyn.

How are these heart-messages flowing to Iraq? Are the now-oppressed Iraqui buying computers with their petro-dollars, and if so, how are they able to turn them on with the frequent American-incompetence-induced brownouts we hear so much about?

I have to say, this project has got to be the greatest single Photoshop challenge ever presented to us freedom lovers. I eagerly await your captions...

Disgusting. All these people have a kind of hippie/granola look more or less blurred by age. Doesn't look like there's a brain among them that hasn't been left on autopilot by leftist ideology for great lengths of time.

'cept for the white-haired dear on the right in the "drunk out of their minds" pic. She's probably just being a good sport. Sweet thing. I hope.

so strange. i appreciate them praying for peace now, that's fine, but true humanitarians would have been praying for removal for decades before this.

Best. Captions. Ever.

As they say on the Internet.

"How’s the prayer for a Weed Whacker working out?"

Hehe...my sons and I cracked up over that one.

So I guess these people won't be going to Team America tonight.

One of the crazy-ass whiteys on the right of the picture is giving rabbit ears to the lady in front of her. Why would she do that? Are rabbit ears still funny in Iraq? This cultural divide stuff...

Obviously, the America Coming Together get-out-the-vote campaign is successfully stirring up the demographic it's targeted all along.

Behold, rational America--the faces of your fellow citizens, who will cancel out your vote.

I like the "Jesus beehive". I cried a little bit from laughing so hard. That kind of beehive must have been a real accomplishment. I can't even get all my hair in a ponytail.

Some people became psychologically stuck in the late 1960s and will never grow out of it.

Andrew X,

I need a hyperlink for the PJ O'Rourke quote.

Thanks in advance!

"With my sincerest apologies and a compassionate head tilt, I will do my best to bring Saddam back into power."

Typical. Cold. Hearted. Right. Wing. Dick. (as they say on the internets).

What a bunch of geriatric old goofballs! You could practically smell the Birkenstocks and wool socks! Thanks for the laugh, Tim!

Having lived for 12 years in the Pacific Northwest, I know many people who wholeheartedly believe exactly the sentiments in these signs. They are earnest in their defense of the notion that, if our enemies simply understood us, if we could just apologize or otherwise make amends, then all would be well. They hold to the idea that war is ALWAYS wrong, even when the other guy is coming through your bedroom window with a machete and a bloodthirsty gleam in his eye. They would sooner die whimpering and cowering in the corner than to go to reasonable lengths to defend themselves. Many of them are dear, sweet people, but they are all absolutely as misguided as hell. These pictures make me sad for these people, and angry that the Left, who surely know better, are using them to try and turn popular opinion against President Bush.

Vanity, thy name is a bunch of clueless, middle aged people who have no idea how great they have it in this country.

BTW, being half Vietnamese, I can;t tell you the number of people who've said to me "I'm so sorry for what this country didi to your people." I ask, "were you a protester? Because if you were, you should be sorry. Your actions supported a government who tortured and oppressed millions of "my people." Shame on you." And these idiots think that they speak for peace.

I see from the comments on this blog that the dumbing of Merka is almost complete

Ann Coulter calls it Irish Alzheimers when you forget everything except your grudges.

Balzar, since many of the commentors on this blog are not from America (not to mention that it's an Australian blog), it's pretty clear that you are The Dumb One.

Judging by your comment it is more than complete.

Confounded impotent old pentagenerians....get some grandchildren to complain about!

///

Balzar, your quote coming right after Camille's makes you look like the poster boy of "dumb."

Who in the Hell of all things Evil, keeps letting these loones out of the secured locaitons?

These wackos are doing nothing to advance the cause of peace. The soilders and civilians in the field fighting for peace are the true warriors of peace.

After all "Peace through Strength" means just that. Peaceniks only pretend peace, war brings it to reality.

On the other hand, if it were not for the real warriors of peace, would these nut-jobs have any reason to exist?

The "beleiving in world peace" one is my fav.

Andrew X nailed it. Those are some ugly buggers up there!

Yeeack.

Birkel: try googling it. I found a fair number of references to it. The quote comes from his Parliament of Whores.

I laughed, I cried, two thumbs up and a big toe.

Mostly toothless old cats with the fur falling out, AFAICT. Apologising to the junkyard dog because he just got run out of town by a bunch of the young toms.

And by the way, have you ever seen a better example of the Religious LEFT? First Church of Christ Socialist, was it?

On a more serious note, the Dems' major demographic problem is that these Left-Overs are dying at a clip of about 12 million every four years, and since millions of young leftists-to-be were aborted they are being replaced by increasingly conservative cohorts.

Time to Photoshop these pictures and send them to Darfur.
Oh yeah, they won't care about those people until after the US steps in to save their lives.

Hey, I'm in favor of peace too. It's just that, when we're up against these Islamoloony killers, we're not going to achieve it by bending over and grabbing our ankles.

Or as someone wrote in the Old Farmers' Almanac many years ago: ``You may favor peace. But did you ever see anyone escape a tornado merely by favoring good weather?''

I may vomit...

midwest mama - the term for people like this is "sheep"; as in the phrase "like sheep to the slaughter". Sad but true.

I grew up with some of the FOR leaders (early Nam era) and most of them are sincere. Sincerely misguided, but there's always a couple who are willing to steer them in a profitable direction.

On the bright side, they're a distinct minority and often amusing. One project might be convincing the FOR folks to send "peace packages" along with a pen-pal letter. All sorts of possibilities.

The Coalition of the Clueless.

What a sorry looking bunch of people.

Of course, the underlying theme is: "Message to Iraqi people who actually think life is better off without Saddam: who asked you?"

eastern mtns--I agree they can be amusing. Unfortunately, most of my husband's family falls into this category so it's something I have to put up with perhaps more personally than others. I keep hoping that at least a few of them might come to their senses. It has certainly made for some tense moments around the dinner table!

Thanks Casey.

I knew I'd have to get that Google subscription eventually.

I've seen a lot of these types before. They are the old-time communist sympathizers. And I'm not over-stating this point. They were the ones that were actively involved in the communst party and UNA-USA-type peace movements. Think Alger Hiss. Same era.

We WILl have peace on earth, after we kill everybody who doesn't want it.

Midwest mama - me too! My husband's family, and my husband are firmly in the "peace movement." Of course, when confronted with the reality of my family and the last "peace" movement, I'm told that my family needs to "get over it" and then they call me a communist. And no, I'm not kidding.

Wait a minute! These losers aren't in Texas, they're just down the road from me here in Connecticut! Last week they put up the "Ye Olde Buryin' Ground" sign at the old cemetery near the river. This week they're having a nude sit-in with nothing but popovers and bean sprouts covering their parts (Thank God). Idiots.

"That hot parking cop..."

Now you've done it. You've killed me. My survivors will be sending you a bill for funeral expenses.

the friggin beehive hairdo and the nature walk couple killed me...

The way to get to Zarqawi is to drop thousands of these photos on Falujah and Latifiya. He'll die laughing.

That is some funny stuff! Great comments under the pics :)

What a bunch of freaks!

camille--I believe it. One really irritating aspect of peacenik groupthink is that it is based on feel-good emotionalism and not on rationality. They cannot be talked out of it; they just put their hands over their ears and refuse to hear you, then resort to name calling and ad hominem attacks. After all, they can't possibly be wrong, they're for peace. So it must be you who has the problem. Luckily, my husband is on my side.

This series is a fraud. These people are all members of the same family, over and over and over again.

"Oh, look! Lots of stupid white people!"

Who's up for taking up a collection and sending these peaceniks to Iraq.

Then they can stop talking the talk and start walking the walk.

If nothing else, their's a pretty good chance most of them won't make it back.

What do ya say.

Spare some change?

Take a close look at the few faces who are of military age.

Those are the people who will enlist in the Army when Kerry is elected -- NOT!

The wish for peace isn't a bad one. But they have to learn that all the wishing in the world wouldn't have removed Saddam peacefully.

Here's an open message to all the peacenik moonbats shown in those pictures. Check out the October 13th BBC article "Babies found in Iraqi mass grave", at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3738368.stm

All the American peaceniks who took pictures of their comfortable and well protected rearends should take a long look at the photos of the human remains that are being exhumed from mass graves in Iraq. Also, they should see the photos of the Iraqi survivors who have a hope for justice because the U.S. liberated them from Sadam Hussein.

These people are indeed nuts. They have no clue that they are fighting Fascism. I imagine that if they read this blog they might come to their senses and start getting militant in defending the enlightenment from you wack jobs instead of pushing this peace crap.

One simple question for all of these sincere, yet grossly misguided people. Where were you when the mass graves were being filled (and being filled with those for whom "justice" was never practiced)?

Think any of these people has the slightest clue that they're exactly the sort of stereotypical fat, pampered, clueless, condescending American that the average Jihadist has wet dreams about killing?

No, me neither.

Get a life, folks. The Church of the Brethren is an historic peace church. They are willing to act on their belief that the Sermon on the Mount (Matt. 5-7) is a mandate for peacemaking, and that wars only produce a cycle of violence. You don't have to agree with that position; I don't, but you don't disprove it by name calling. You show it to be wrong by marshalling evidence to the contrary. Every one of your silly captions side-steps the real issue, by focusing on little things like misspelled words or tilted heads. You still haven't answered the substance of their protest. And so the only ones you're really making fools of is yourselves.

What is Glen Reynolds doing in the third picture from the bottom, second person to the right?

Where's the pics from Saddam Plaza with "Go Home Human Shield Wankers?"

That one who can't spell is kinda MILFy. I guess I'd hit it.

"I see from the comments on this blog that the dumbing of Merka is almost complete."

And I see from your use of the word "Merka" that you're a predictably idiotic leftazoid.

You still haven't answered the substance of their protest.

That's because there wasn't any.

Is it a prerequisite that you have to be a really bad dresser to be a 'sorry' protester?

Team America.... **** yeah!
Matt Damon.

Some photos just beg for image editing. Here's a link to my fun

That was mean, Didsbury. I forgive you. Peace.

We apologize that some Americans do not support our troops and wish the terrorist victory, however Amercica supports you. Next up pictures from Iraqi Mass Graves, and ask the Kurds how much they liked Saddam.

There something in common about the physical appearance of old leftists. You can't put your finger on it right away. Like looking at a retarded person. Even if they don't talk you can still tell. I think being a leftist for so long destroys you from the inside out. Like pushing a square peg into a round hole. These people actually tried to apply the ideas of the 60's to reality while the rest of their generation grew up (to some degree anyway).

didsbury said:

You still haven't answered the substance of their protest.

Actually, this is not the first that this protest has come up. These people are not original. But if you want more recent answers, well....

1. Read camile's posts above. She's half Vietnamese. You do remember the Vietnam War? If not, ask the people you're defending, I expect a lot them protested that one as well. Ask camile what she thinks.

2. Go to Iraq. Look at the mass graves that are Husseins' legacy to the Iraq that he claimed. Babies are buried in those graves, babies killed by the tyrant that you complain about the US toppling. I don't hear any wailing for those unnecessary deaths from these "forusa.org" moonbats. Now, or before we invaded Iraq. By default, you and the forusa.org moonbats are supporting fascism.

3. Who is killing who in Iraq? Are Coalition troops exclusively firing their weapons? Who lobs mortar rounds into a group of peace protestors (hey, they're your brethern in peace, man! Who car bombs children getting candy? An honest answer, less emotional outcries, would be appreciated. Eh? You can't speak? Try "terrorists" who want the old government back, or at least one that they can control. And why not? See point #2 above.

4. What has one of these people done for peace? Have they gotten their hands dirty by beating swords into plowshares? Have they volunteered to treat the illnesses of Iraqi children? Perhaps they gathered school supplies for the children, so that they can learn to read and write. Or is their involvement limited to crayons, paper, and digital camera?

Of these questions, I see #4 as being only one I can't already answer.....but I am curious as to how wrong I might be.

I await your response. But I'm not holding my breath.

Didsbury - please read Camille's comment from 8:09 am*. I can't think of any "peace churches"** that can answer it comfortably -- they were all too busy supporting Fidel and the Sandinistas...

*her others are worth reading, too.
**and, like most "peace churches," their internal history reflects a series of fights that put a human face on pacifism. Start with the Wikipedia article and keep reading.

didsbury ---

"So Jesus fashioned a whip and drove them all out of the temple along with sheep and cattle. He scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables." John 2:15

Yup, nuthin' but peace, love and soybeans from this Jesus fellow.

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light, and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes." Isaiah 5:20-21.

"There is a time for everything ... a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down, and a time to build." Ecclesiastes 3:3

"Beat your ploughshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears.: Joel 3:10

These must be all those folks who seriously failed the test to become human shields.

Brian,

Yeah, I thought the same thing--otherwise, it really is a collection of extremely unattractive people.

Re: the "Jesus Beehive"--Actually, I think that's the Blessed Virgin.

Midwest Mama, we have several of this type of goofball in upstate New York and while they project a certain sweetness, it really doesn't take much discomfort or inconvenience to see them turn very nasty.

I understand the "Ugly American" stereotype we have abroad and these people traveling overseas are often the biggest provocateurs; they're exasperating.

See P.J. O'Rourke's hilarious story of traveling with such a "peace" group to the USSR in 1982. It's in his book "Republican Party Reptile". Brilliant.

This definitely puts the lie to the feminists' charge that George Bush has violated every left-wing woman on the planet.

Judging from the looks of these moonbats Bush would have had 8 kinds of pox by now and be in no condition to run for President without using up every drop of penicillin, antitoxin, and flu vaccine in the nation's strategic reserve ... hey, wait a minute ...

Yes Sean, apparently Saddam's mass grave filled Iraq was the epitome of peace.

"We weep with you."

"Our hearts overflow with tears."

Yeah. Feeling is so much more important than thhinking.

I'm sure there's an archive somewhere with all the photographs of these same folks weeping and overflowing for the victims of the Baathist regime.

Sad, so sad, looking at those serious little insects, I'm reminded of a few lines by C.S.Lewis...."Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims is the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
Where are those guy's from T4 when you need them?

Lord, save me from "Christians".

Spending eternity banged up with with this lot would not be Heaven. It would most decidedly be, well...

I haven't seen such an earnest looking group of misguided wankers since stumbling across an Artists For Peace exhibit outside a Seattle library while killing time before a Red Sox-Mariners game.

Photoshoppers start your engines.

You still haven't answered the substance of their protest.

The substance of their protest is they think the USA invaded a country like Sweden. They have no clue that Saddam killed about 500,000 of his own people. Saddam used rape squads to terrorize people and solicit information. He gassed his own people and Iranians. Saddam paid “martyrs” to kill Jews. He harbored terrorists. He had bound people thrown off 3-4 stories buildings in order to maim them. He starved hundreds of thousands of his subjects in order build 60 palaces. He forbade freedom speech and freedom of religion. Nearly on a daily basis, he shot at American and British airplanes enforcing the UN sanctions – an act of war. He used the Sunni minority to suppress the Shiite majority.

Come to think of it, other than this, Iraq was just like Sweden only warmer.

Saddem killed more Muslims than anybody else this century, my kinda guy. So turn him loose he's harmless.

Hmmm. Be nice to rustle up some alternative poster holders, you know, ones that fly in the face of moral fashion.
Examples:
"Citizens of Iraq - enjoy your freedom. No charge."
"Sadaam - How do you like THEM apples?"
"Sic Semper Tyrannis Baath-holes"

Forget The Alamo!

Celebrate Diversity Or Else!

What a bunch of wieners...

The apologies are insulting and disgusting, but what more can you expect from a "sorry" looking lot of rabble like this. These people were born to suck up to tyrants. A phrase from one of Patrick O'Brian's novels comes to mind, "an ill-looking parcel of bastards".

In my day we twisted up a big joint, sat around someone's coffee table listening to Neil Young and bitched about the war. Things sure have got high tech ......now what the hell were we talking about?

Major bummer, my hippie aunt would happen to show up in one of those pictures.
How embarrassing.
Although, not surprising considering we got in a yelling match in which she was telling me how great Castro is.

Didsbury:

I'm a Christian. I understand peacemaking, I understand what Jesus meant by his moral injunctions to peacemaking, and what he meant by "peace." Peace can be achieved, you dope, or it can be MAINTAINED until the evil metastasizes.

I also know Jesus reminded us to "know the evil", and no blinkered and comfortable pacifism by any church anywhere, at any time in the last horrific century or the first part of this one, saved a single life. Souls maybe, not lives.

The boxcars rolled nevertheless and the stupid and vile resistance of these pictured fools mocks every frozen grave in every Gulag, every tortured and murdered soul from the Horn to Murmansk.

THAT's the answer to their fundamental postion.

"Noting his ancestry, young Peter checks for the presence of testicles".

Best of the week, bar none.

BTTME (Brought Tears To My Eyes)

More photos here. I feel I must also apologize. The Photoshopping is really poor.

Don't see many kids. Could this be the community that Stephen King had in mind when he wrote "Children of the Corn"?

Only one thing motivates these folks: fear and loathing not of war, not of tyranny, but of the US. It is, after all, the locus of all the ills in the world. I refer you to the pronouncements of the latest Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Damn, Glenn warned me and I still wet my monitor.

Reminds me of when I was young, very misguided and a Unitarian. They all looked like these people amd shared these kinds of absurdist sentiments.

So, it has come to making fun of peaceniks, has it? Do you people stop to think about what you're doing? Instead, why don't you try making a well-reasoned, well-supported argument for a change. Try to explain, for example, how we are safer now that Bush has created 10,000 more bin Ladens with his ill-conceived war. Think hard. I know you can do it.

Good god, I hope they all vote for Nader.

Good God, I hope they all vote for Nader.

The substance of their protest is they think the USA invaded a country like Sweden.

Well, Sweden did sterilize more than 60,000 Lapps and other non-Nordics in the 20th century. Many forcibly so.

Good God, I hope they all vote for Nader.

Dear God, this is the face of pure evil. These cannot be....human.

"We're sorry, Iraqis, we tried to prevent your liberation and prolong Saddam's murderous tyranny over you, but that evil Bush and his Satanic Neo-con supporters went ahead and liberated you anyway. Can you ever forgive us?"

More of the looney "Blame America First" gang. What a bunch of effing, arrogant morons. Do they really think the Iraqis preferred mass murder and mass graves to liberation? Here's the creed of the retarded clowns in those photos: "Them darkies, they needs a dictator to rule 'em, 'cuz they cain't rule themselves, ya know."

Those placards need better Christian production values if you want to get the attention of those crazy 'Lamist kids ....the hottest selling DVDs are the beheading series (with a bullet)...you have a jaded audience there people.
I suggest more body parts scattered about.

Try to explain, for example, how we are safer now that Bush has created 10,000 more bin Ladens with his ill-conceived war.

Another 100,000 bin Ladens would have been recruited to the Jihadist cause if Bush didn't respond with his well-considered war.

Uhh...I guess you'd say we're safer because the 10,000 jihadists are fighting in Iraq instead of in downtown L.A. As for Bush "creating" the jihadists, I think the Islamofascist schools and terrorist training camps are doing that. They'd hate us no matter who was in the White House--as they have these past decades. George Bush did not create this jihad.

I did apologize to Iraqis once. I begged their forgiveness for my (and my countrymen's) failure to demand that Bush I continue on to Baghdad in 1991.

They accepted the apology. But they did note they thought it appropriate...

>Another 100,000 bin Ladens would have been
>recruited to the Jihadist cause if Bush didn't
>respond with his well-considered war.

Ok, Eric. Now you've made an assertion. Now please explain where these 100k Jihadists would have come from and why.

Tell all those that died at the hands Sadaam and his cronies that you are sorry, tell that to the women who now have freedoms- if you are sorry for anyone be sorry for the lack of sense the un has - no backbone - i guess we should have let Sadaam kill maybe 5 or 6 million more innocent people - is Sadaam was a ruler here and killing thousands - guess you would have to wait till the end of time before German, France and Russia would help us, hus? SEE THE BIG PICTURE!

Rick:

I would avoid the condescension if I were you, particularly when it comes to mental attributes.

Any argument for peace which is based upon the number of excess enemies who reveal themselves and choose to fight back ONCE THE WAR IS UNDERWAY, is simply stupid. What would proof of your argument look like? Possibly a precise estimate of the number of enemy combatants and then a confirming headcount once we got them. That's brilliant.

Inherent in your argument too is that enemies are harmless if temporarily inert, and they remain so if you don't push the stick into their nest. This too is silly. It works with bees, but this is bigger, in case you haven't noticed. Yours is an argument based in cowardice.

>Uhh...I guess you'd say we're safer because the
>10,000 jihadists are fighting in Iraq instead of in
>downtown L.A. As for Bush "creating" the jihadists,
>I think the Islamofascist schools and terrorist
>training camps are doing that.

To Midwest Mama: You would be referring to the jihadists that we trained, funded, and protected when it served our purposes? See, we do actually have an effect on the world. Our policies DO matter. Bush has convinced you folks that they hate us whatever. Not true. They hate what we do. If we didn't piss on the rest of the world, they wouldn't hate us. And, yes, I love America, just as much as you.

Amen, Rhod.

WAAHAHAHAHA,Monty Python lives.HAHAHAHAHAHA........Weedwhacker...HAHAHAHAHA.....Open house at the ASSYLUM.

P.S. to Rick:

I have yet to hear a counter argument from your side, that is to the say, the possessors of the "leave them alone for God's sake" contingent, about how to deal with Islamofascism.

Your lofty self-importance and assurance seems to have obscured your solution. Did I miss something? Probably not.

Have you folks ever heard of a little country called Vietnam?

We created the enemies out of farmers, truckdrivers, children, etc.

Where the beautiful women are is where the country is headed," said my friend. "And this," he looked around him, "isn't it."

P.J. O'Rourke

They are all on Fox News as hosts or guests. If the quote is right, we are slowly headed in the right direction.

Baloney, Rick. It's not what we have or haven't done to anyone that's got them pissed off. It's the fact that we EXIST, period. We are the infidel. Their leaders have convinced them it is Western Civilization that is at the root of all their troubles, not their own oppressive fascisistic regimes. Excuse me if I doubt your love for America when you seem insistent on blaming us for everything that has gone wrong.

The problem with the peaceniks is that they think that peace is the absence of war. As anyone who has been shredded in an industrial shredder could tell you, had they the opportunity, this is not necessarily the case.

As long as there are people living under regimes that can do that, there is no peace. There is only quiet. If you're far enough away that is.

Rick,
We've been gining these clowns well reasoned, well supported arguments for resisting tyranny and terrorism for years and nothing we say changes their puny minds. They were frozen in stupidity back in 1968, or had the stupidity passed on to them from such a frozen mind. They are, by their own intentions, invincibly ignorant. They will explode, hysterically indignant, about some small matterr of US guilt, frequently imaginary, while blithly ignoring gulags, Iles of Pines, and Saddamite mass murder. To give them more rational aguments, when they have already ignored both previous arguments and the actual events taking place in the world, is like giving medicine to the dead in hopes of reviving them.

"Hey where're all the white women at!"

. . . ."Yech!!! I'm outta here"

BTW, thank God there are hardly any kids pictured. I hope that these decrepit hippies are the "dammned generation", and that they'll burn themselves out, man!

Die, Boomers, die!!!

Hey Rick,
You said:
"Try to explain, for example, how we are safer now that Bush has created 10,000 more bin Ladens with his ill-conceived war."
Saddam's gone - to answer first part of your questions.
And no, the job is not finished.

10,000? why not 1million?
Where did you get your 'statistics'?
Please, provide references.
"Think hard. I know you can do it."
We know it too.
Not so sure about your marbles

Rick:

How interesting. Pissing on the rest of the world? Listen, your Edward Said nonsense might play pretty well in the lounges of the student center, or the common room where there is sea of nodding heads, but it only reassures The Left that you have an intellectual anchor for your various frustrations and irrelevance.

The Pan-Arab or Pan-Muslim World (including Iran) is what it is today because of structrual and social weaknesses, largely traceable to Islam and anti-modernism. This has NOTHING whatever to do with colonialism, and everything to to do with Wahabbism, the Third Jihad and the establishment of the Great Caliphate. Sorry Rick. You're no challenge.

Rick:

More boilerplate. Yes, I've heard of Vietnam. I spent fourteen months with the 25th Division there in '66 and '67, in the Iron Triangle. And you know nothing about it.

Rick,

"We" didn't "create" any enemies. You cannot compare Vietnam to Iraq, simply because the times were different, the politics were different, and frankly, the Vietnamese had a hell of a lot more freedom than the Iraqi people did.

Let's not also forget that by the time the US rolled into 'Nam, the Vietnamese were already hating foreigners. Remember when they kicked the French out? Forcibly?

Rick... WOW! Bush personally created 10,000 Jihadists? WOW. Mind blowing man. How was it done? Cloning with host mothers? Or do you mean he personally impregnated 10,000 women. Gosh, no wonder he sometimes looks tired and forgets his lines at debates.

10,000 Wow! Did Laura know about it? Was she as bowled over by the sheer potency of her husband as I am?

10,000... What can I say? We 'muricans got us a president an' a half.

Edgie:

Rick's reflexive mention of Vietnam has nothing to do with the truth. It's a piece of the mental mosaic necessary for him to have any ideas at all.

If you were told that going to war with Saddam Hussein in 1991 (to protect our way of life) would cost billions of dollars, kill 100,000 Iraqis, and yet leave Saddam in power, to counter which we would base troops in Saudi Arabia and impose draconian sanctions on millions of innocent Iraqis, which, in turn, could inflame the Arab and Muslim world, which could then lead to the rise in extremism which might result in a terrorist attack on American soil that could kill thousands of Americans and change our way of life, which then might compel us to go back to Iraq and spend $150 billion dollars on another war, sacrifice thousands of American lives, kill a few more innocent Iraqis accidentally, battle Shiite and Sunni insurgents and terrorists...

...would you have voted for the 1991 Gulf War?

Thanks, Rhod, for your service to our country. I appreciate your incisive and informed comments and intelligent, well-reasoned arguments.

The familiarity of your words is really striking. If one were to just substitute "Communist" for "Islamofacist," I'd have thought we were back in the fifties.

Who was it who said, "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it?"

"...nothing whatever to do with colonialism..." This is an interesting comment. So you don't see any link between the current war and the Wolfowitz crowd (including his buddies Project for a New American Century)? It is their explicit goal to establish unchallanged control to resources such as oil. Or is that just a coincidence?

"Rick's reflexive mention of Vietnam has nothing to do with the truth. It's a piece of the mental mosaic necessary for him to have any ideas at all."

Not to mention that he did not bother to read Camille's comments.

Rhod: Sorry Rick. You're no challenge.

You nailed it. Rick has not a one original thought in his "arguments".. he spewed every lefty talking point out there w/the corresponding arrogance and condescension slathered on top.

BushLied people died!! Right, Rick?

Rick
you should move to France . Salinger's house is now empty and all those Avignon sophisticates just love anti american americans. No doubt they'll adopt you instantly.

MAmma
your comments about the dolce lattes covering up their ears to any attrocities commited by NON AMERICANS ARE SO TRUE!
In london i spoke to a group of Baptists who had complained about the "rough" armed guards who protected them during their tour of duty in Bangladesh. when i mentioned to them the treatment metered out to those who preach Christianity in radical Islamic states they did just thAt
Abu Ghraib was open territory for discussion, but Al Zaqwari's attrocities were cover up your ears topics.

Adam:
What's the question?

The current hostilities began in 1978; people like you and Jimmy Carter, Ford, Reagan and Clinton just didn't notice it.

The invasion of Kuwait had to be reversed, unless you want Windmills off the Massachusetts coast, which Kerry certainly doesn't.

Second, not taking out Saddam the first time should have appealed to you off the bat because it wasn't part of the UN goal.

Third, the Arab World was not inflamed by our presence in Saudi Arabia and the "Muslim world" because of Gulf War I. The reasons for their "inflaming" run pretty deep and have gone on for a long time (mostly due to deep and broad problems with Islam itself). And BTW, how do you explain Arab Muslims killing black Muslims in the Sudan.I know, it's our fault for waging war in 1991. I get it.

Fourth. Your pacifism and concern for "innocents" is the pacifism of the comfortable. War is what it is. Again, you either achieve the peace or maintain it...and your argument is for mass graves. The ones that exist and the ones to come.

to compare the 'rule' of imperialistic merrikuns with sometimes harsh but always just Saddam Hussein go here: http://slattsnews.ubersportingpundit.com
and here: http://massgraves.info/

Rick, how many dollars are we "pissing" on the rest of the world with every year? We are the most generous country in the world, both in fortune shared and lives of our soldiers that we give to allow others the chance at freedom and democracy.

The only peeing associated with this post is what I almost did from laughing so hard.

They should pack up everyone of these morons and send them to Iraq . . . then they can apologize personally.

Adam:

Asking what we would have done 1991 knowing what we do now is merely using the 20/20 vision of hindsight. This approach is valid only if you have a time machine handy.

What we can do is learn from our decisions, good and bad. There were, for that time, perfectly valid reasons to do what we did.

And, in fact, we did learn from the 1991 Gulf War. Then, we should have rolled into Baghdad and put Saddam into jail, and screw the opinion of the Islamic world, instead of leaving that sadistic tyrant in power to brutalize his people, corrupt other governments, and support terrorism.

And that's we did in 2002. Thank God.

Rick:

Terribly cute of you to use "communist" as the comparative for "Islamofascist", but I think both of these authoritarian movements ACTUALLY EXIST.
That may come as a surprise to you, but then, reverse red-baiting is your game. Before long we'll be hearing about McCarthyism.

Without history and revisionism, you would be mute, Rick old boy.

Tell me. Is it true that when people say "con" they mean conservative, and when they say "neocon" they mean Jewish? I think you've dropped your notes and I picked them up. What else don't you like about the Neocons?

Rick,

I don't get my information from Bush. Radical muslims hate us and want to kill or convert the whole world. This is what they say openly. In their mosques, in their audio tapes and dvds they pass around, and on the internet. Search it yourself, it won't be a problem to find an english language website that promotes all of this.

You claim that we have brought on this hate. I don't doubt that you think we deserve to be murdered. though you won't admit to it.

Well what do all the religious and ethnic minorities are reguarly murdered in muslim countries do to deserve their fate?

What about the black muslims are exterminated in Africa by arab muslims?

How do they fit into your unified theory?

These people are on the other side. They have no tears for anyone not killed by Americans or Israelis. Where are their tears for the children slaughtered in Beslan? Where are their tears for the Shiites murdered in the mosques in Pakistan by the Sunnis? Where are their tears for ordinary people killed by criminals?

These people are what I call 'morality fascists'. They claim to have a superior morality. Anyone who disagrees can not be considered to have a different opinion or to be wrong, no. They are evil. This is where the Bush=Hitler crap comes from. This is why they oppose the death penalty. We care so much for every life, that you can't be barbaric and kill the murderer. They are a child of God too. No tears for the murdered. No tears for the imprisoned burglar, who gets killed by one of these killers.

For these Morality Fascists, like with all fascists, only certain people count. Others can be slaughtered with impunity. I'd love to have 10 minutes with one of these creeps, they'd be left a quivering puddle excrement, when I get through with them.

Rick:

The familiarity of your words is really striking. If one were to just substitute "Communist" for "Islamofacist," I'd have thought we were back in the fifties.

Who was it who said, "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it?"

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I know, I'm sad too about the collapse of the Soviet Union. There, there, let mama make it all better.

Let's not have a repeat of our mistake by opposing and defeating Islamofascism. Will we ever learn?

Wow Tim,

140 posts in 5 hours is this a record ?

Ok, Eric. Now you've made an assertion. Now please explain where these 100k Jihadists would have come from and why.

You asserted first, you back yours up. Regardless, you made up your number, I made up my number. Or do you have access to some sort of Jihadist census?

Do you deny Bin Laden's own speaches cited his organization's ability to increase its numbers in huge waves after every Al-Qaeda operation that the West didn't respond to? That he and others would point to the West's non-response as weakness, proof of our deserving to be wiped out, and actually brought in many new recruits?

I quite like France. People there know how to have civil discourse. (Besides, what's not to like about a country that has a 4 day work week!).

Here's the point y'all seem to be missing: it is a game of bait-and-switch. OBL is the enemy. No, wait, SH is the enemy. The goal-- create the permanent justification for war. The result-- American facism.

Rhod-- who's baiting who?

Midwest Mama:

Thank you very much. Having been there gives me perspective on this war. I have three sons involved in it, which will give Rick pause. Four military nutcases in ONE family. All the facts are in place to suit the Lefty mythology about us authoritarian personalities.

I'm new here, and won't stay too long. Jabba is on to something, too. The Left is a sink of postmodern thinking, more nihilist than relativist, and the light of liberalism flickered out in it long ago. Leftism is what remains, kind of a zombified entity with no soul. Just a lot of complaints combined with the urge to destroy and regress to a world that never existed. Very strange.

Rick:

Baiting you? You bait someone when you leave false charges. You bait someone when you misconstrue and prepare for the answer. You brought this stuff up. How come you sneak away when the facts and implications of your "argument" are pointed out.

Come on. How do you feel about the Neocons? No answer?

Eric

If you believe Richard Clarke, OBL's objective was to provoke us into war. Mission Acomplished!

Rick:

Rule Number Two in Discourse for Lefties: When your arguments are successfully disputed, when your facts are effectively dismantled, when your reflextive fallback is exposed, charge the oppostion with being surly and rude.

France? You "quite" like France?

Rick:

American fascism. That's number six on my Checklist of Lefty Cliches. Keep going.

Almost as touching as the idiots who claim that Israel does not have the right to kill her enemies. Disgusting.
Joshua Salik
Salik Games
http://salikgames.home.att.net/wsb/stickindex.html
"The empty half of the glass is always at the top"

Rhod, I admire your perspective and your courage. Your sons must be fine men. We need more military nutcases like you.

Once upon a time I could have been one of the poor fools in the pictures above. Thankfully, I have seen the light. Can't help but wonder how many joints were smoked by the people above, before they took their pictures.

There seems to be 2 options that we have. Stop the spread if Islamofacisim now,or learn the Quaran, fast. I'm just not enough of a linguist to learn Arabic.

Rhod,

I think the neocons are opportunisitic, power-drunk, policy hacks who are arrogant beyond belief. Their mistake will hurt this country for generations to come.

I don't agree with these people's opinions but I do not think it is respectful to simply mock them. If you disagree, present arguments but don't simply make sniping remarks.

These people should be embarrassed. What a bunch of fools.

Rick:

HOORAY! It only took a few post to smoke you out, which is some kind of a record. Now we can get somewhere, because all the rest of your totems, you fictions and incantations about Bush (Leftism is superstition, Rick) have fallen off.

Now we know WHO you are, not what you think. The thinking of the neocons is an extension of the old internationalism of the old Democratic Party, beginning with the Truman Doctrine, on down to JFK and it fizzled there because the party began to look a lot like you.

Why does that offend you? Do you not like The West. The Muslim world can fly planes into buildings but they can't build planes. They can build car bombs but not cars. Don't they deserve a piece of the world that has made YOU so arrogant?

Of the few of you who don't understand why we are at war, read below:

"The Jews are denigrated in many references in the Koran. They are described, for example, as enemies of Allah (2:97-98), always disobedient (5:78), enemies of the believers (5:85), condemned for their disobedience (2:88, 4:46, 50, 5:13, 60, 69, 78), and consigned to humiliation and wretchedness (59:3)."

(this is after Muhammad respected the Jews and even borrowed some of their traditions until they refused to accept him as a prophet)

and

" 'Know that every Muslim is a Muslim's brother, and that the Muslims are brethren; fighting between them should be avoided, and the blood shed in pagan times should not be avenged; Muslims should fight all men until they say, 'There is no god but God.'-Muhammad's last message during his final visit to Mecca ' "

finally,

"With Muhammad's death, support for the Prophet's faith weakened and tribes that had pledged their allegiance to him began to distance themselves from their agreements. Abu Bakr [his successor] responded by strengthening his army and imposing his will by conquest."

All quotes cited from "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Middle East Conflict", Bard, Mitchell G., 1999.

I couldn't let this go.

BTW, the pictures are pretty typical.

These ignorant people trivialize the seriousness of war and the terrible consequences it has on those called to fight in combat. The truth is this: the vast majority of real pacifists in this country WEAR or HAVE WORN the uniform. They yearn for a soldier's peace when the iniquity of the enemy is so crushed he has no more bullets. Our problem in Iraq today is that we (again) fought a soldier's war, but settled for a diplomat's peace. Where were these fools then when our leadership allowed Saddam to remain in power...

When Rick is pressed to back up his numbers, he instead discusses capturing Osama and/or Saddam.

BZZZZZZT!

PENALTY! Rick is penalized 10 yards for moving the goal posts.

Yet another leftoid tactic he employs. I also note his "I'M NOT LISTENING!" and "Repeating facts as though they are true" tactics as well.

That should "repeating UNPROVEN facts as though they are true".

SOrry!

Jabba
you hit the nail on the head.
Only sins commited by Americans are acknowledged (and greatly amplified). Those commited by NON americans are cover-up-your-ears material.
Why
Because of theis masachistism which tell them that we must all beat ourselves with olive branches. i am reminded of the first christians who were said to have died without raising an arm in self defence under the swords of the Romans.
This of course is depicted as Moral bravery!
TO Islamofascists it is an outright sign of the inferioroty of christianity ti ISLAm and they love it.
To each his own.
Ghandi and Martin kuther king advocated such passive resistance.
But how effective would it have been against Islamic mujehadin or the Nazi regime?
Because only democracy respects this type of resistance

Yo Rick! Why did the Vietnamese take up sailing after the evil Rhod left? Just asking.

CARTER CLINTON 2008!!!1

D.

There something in common about the physical appearance of old leftists. You can't put your finger on it right away.

It's the softness in the eyes combined with the softness in the jaw - gives you a clue that there is softness in the head.

Rhod:

Wow, you figured it all out, I guess.

I didn't follow a single syllable, but whatever.

You have some construction in your head about how I believe this means that I believe that. Sorry. It doesn't work that way.

It is still a fact that you can't make a country democratic by force. If you try try, you end up with a quagmire on your hands.

It is still a fact that the more Iraqi civilians we kill, the more will stand up and fight us.

It is still a fact that Islamofacism is an invention to treat all muslims alike (i.e., racism).

And it is still a fact that Bush clearly doesn't have the tools to negotiate his way out of a paper bag. When all you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail.

I hope your sons come home safe.

I don't agree with these people's opinions but I do not think it is respectful to simply mock them. If you disagree, present arguments but don't simply make sniping remarks.

I'd agree with you but these people offer an opinion as fact, and act on it as though it is the only solution possible. If someone sits in their living room and spouts this noise, fine.

But when they deliberately export it in the name of America, to a country (Iraq) that does not need defeatism, spin, nor abandonment, it goes beyond ignorance into arrogance.

These fools do not speak for this country. If they want to apologize publicly, I can't stop them. But there is no reason as to why I should respect their opinion when it undermines the Coalition. This encourages the enemy.

Remember when Senator Kennedy was prancing around the country shouting "IRAQ IS ANOTHER VIETNAM"?

About a week later, al Sadr (who lead the Shia insurrection in Najaf) was preaching "Iraq is Vietnam!" to his supporters.

The same problem exists here. They are encouraging the enemy by sending the message, "Omigawd, I want outa Iraq!".

If these people want to "apologize" to Iraqis, go over there and do so by deeds; fix water systems, provide medical care, hold the hands of wounded, rebuild schools....oh, wait!. The Coalition (including the US military) is already doing that.

Well, then do not e-mail silly signs around the world. It is a stupid idea.