October 10, 2004
If as Margo said, democracy has been lost why have I recently voted.
Have I been drugged?
I spoke to some greens recently.
Or did I?
Posted by: geoffo at October 10, 2004 at 04:40 AMkeating'll be suckin on a fuckin lemon tonight... go costello in 2007!
any news on the senate? if the coalition get 6 * 3 in the states then that'll be a net gain of 3 seats - 38 in the senate...
Posted by: Anon at October 10, 2004 at 04:42 AMyeah garrett won his seat unfortunately, Kingsford-Smith.
Posted by: Anon at October 10, 2004 at 04:43 AM"Howard wins. Economy trumps war," states the NYT. Had it gone the other way, headline would have read, "Latham wins in referendum on war."
Posted by: ed at October 10, 2004 at 04:46 AMWhere's that picture of Mr. Howard and the rugby (I think) players in the elevator? I love that picuture of those guys with painted faces and wigs, and good 'ol John standing in between them and smiling.
Posted by: Polly at October 10, 2004 at 05:01 AMThank you Australia! My very next trip is to the land down under. Drinks are on me.
Posted by: Joe Marino, USA at October 10, 2004 at 05:04 AMCongrats to our Aussie brethern! Here's hoping you'll inspire the same result in the US next month. Like Tim, I LOVE AUSTRALIA!!!
Posted by: Hucklebuck at October 10, 2004 at 05:12 AMgodfuuckngdammit I love this country. Drunl as fuck. Well doen Australia.
Posted by: Troy at October 10, 2004 at 05:14 AMI think this is what you might be referring to
Posted by: Over here polly at October 10, 2004 at 05:22 AMYep, that's the picture. Talk about service! Thanks a bunch.
I'm going to print it out and put it on my bulletin board at work.
Posted by: Polly at October 10, 2004 at 05:33 AMI am interested to any pre election polls showing Mark Latham in the lead or even.
Posted by: Papertiger at October 10, 2004 at 05:44 AMsitting here in Sunny and Mild Northern California, all i can say about the wisdom of the Aussie electorate is: THANK YOU, and WHEW!!!!!
Posted by: Mike D at October 10, 2004 at 06:12 AMDid I just see Marino shout a round for the whole freakin' continent?
Whadda guy...
Posted by: mojo at October 10, 2004 at 06:16 AMThanks for your unwavering friendship and support for the U.S.A.in good times and bad. With Howard's reelection may your economy continue to boom and may the terrorists of this world come to realize our alliance and resolve can not be broken. I love Australia!
A Grateful American Friend
I've been high on this news all day!
Congratulations Howard and thank you Australia!
HAPPY JOHN!!
All this and the Afghan election, too?! God bless all of ya'll down there, including the lefty ones. May the Islamonazis choke to death on their own rage.
Posted by: geezer at October 10, 2004 at 07:35 AMCongratulations! Now we Americans need to copy our Aussie mates and reelect Bush.
Posted by: VRWconspiracy at October 10, 2004 at 08:06 AMMy predictions for the next 12 months:
1. Philip Adams retires
2. Margo Kingston gets the arse
3. Greg Barns finally shuts the fuck up
4. Peter Garrett totally fucking embarrases the ALP
5. Mark Latham stays on as leader, but only because the ALP has no one else, bar drafting Peter Beattie into federal politics
Let's all go leave messages on Margo's blog!
Posted by: steve at October 10, 2004 at 08:25 AMLabor reckons the election was "stolen".
If it is, fuck we RWDBS are getting good at it!
Posted by: Quentin George at October 10, 2004 at 08:50 AMIts Sunday morning and no it was not just a dream! How beautiful the sun shines this morning, the birds are chirping so wonderfully welcoming a new day. Hell even the bloody roosters crowing outside my bedroom window sound like a Mozart symphony.
No Keating, no Tampa this time lefties! Say it loud - the great unwashed Australian public has spoken! Now all we need is for you yanks to do the same in November we can get back to the job at hand.
Posted by: Rob at October 10, 2004 at 08:52 AMIndeed.
I'm going straight out and buy the nearest Aussie a drink. I'm going to crack open that bottle of Jim Barry's Armagh that I've been saving, and tell anyone I know who's planning a trip to Euroland to spend their money in OZ instead.
Bush and 48 states next month.
Posted by: Max at October 10, 2004 at 09:07 AMTO: Our Esteemed Allies
RE: The Vote Is IN!
Congrats from across the Bigger Pond.
Keep up the good work...
...we're all excited.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Posted by: Chuck Pelto at October 10, 2004 at 09:21 AMP.S. My further thoughts on this victory for freedom and it's impact on our general election, in three weeks, are here...
I'm particularly impressed with the way the terrorists decided to 'lay off' you guys.
Posted by: Chuck Pelto at October 10, 2004 at 09:24 AMP.P.S. Also happy to see I'm no longer considered persona non grata.
Posted by: Chuck Pelto at October 10, 2004 at 09:25 AMBetween you lot and Afghanistan, you've made my day. You voted for the best one for the job... and they VOTED! (Turnout was 'massive' by UN reports.)
Posted by: Kathy K at October 10, 2004 at 09:27 AMMurdoch has selected the quote of the night:
"It's grim with a capital G, and trouble with a capital T." - Labor frontbencher Stephen Smith's analysis of the count.
Posted by: Quentin George at October 10, 2004 at 09:33 AMTo assist the ALP next time around i suggest they adopt an affirmative action program for their preselections.
Not the one they have now to promote more female candidates which promoted a 2 time loser in the marginal Hinkler to become a 3 time loser this election.
Their new affirmative action program should be that new candidates next time will NOT be party hacks, union bludgers, public servants or bloody skool teachers !!!!!
Posted by: thersites at October 10, 2004 at 09:59 AMMy quote of the day is from gnuhunter
The Doctors' Wives are generally pissed all day, screw the pool guy, and do not know shit.
Posted by: Quentin George at October 10, 2004 at 10:04 AM"YES!" is right! I'm sorry to say that I'm one of the only people I know personally who was really taking this election seriously. My fellow Americans have no idea what kind of a bullet we just managed to dodge.
Thanks, Australia. You're a diamond in the rough.
Posted by: Sage McLaughlin at October 10, 2004 at 10:16 AMThank you to the good people of Australia. It has always been obvious you would not take #%@& from anyone, not even Americans. You re-elected a good man, a brave man, a strong man. Your country is now among the world leaders, and I really don't think any American president will do anything without consulting with Australia first. And the American people want to be on the same side as the people of Australia. Besides, you guys can party way better than the frenchies. I am still recovering from my week on Great Kepple Island.
Posted by: Karen at October 10, 2004 at 10:21 AMWell just thanks alot Sage. We "fellow Americans" are just so pleased that you set us straight! After all, there's only a few hundred posts from Yanks in these threads. Was the "fellow Americans" line intentional or are you just a yuck. AUSSIE! AUSSIE! AUSSIE! OI! OI! OI! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! NO! NO! NO!
Posted by: YoJimbo at October 10, 2004 at 10:32 AMThanks guys, you justified my faith in Aussies.Wish my chikenlittles in Canada had the same fortitude as John Howard.
I'll be visiting my relatives in Perth next week and obviously be buying the drinks.
Cheers!
This and the Afghanistan election put me on a high all day.
Good job, guys.
Thank you, Australia. I hope we can return the favor on November 2.
Posted by: Silicon Valley Jim at October 10, 2004 at 10:47 AMThe Coalition won in a landslide and Ross Cameron is probably gone. Happy days...
And did anyone happen to see Malcolm Turnbull? Had he not been "rocking the ganj'"? He looked funny, God bless him
whooo whooo whoo
Late to bed- still in pyjamas and whoooo whooo
Thanks 'Yanks' for your wonderful comments about our Great 'Little' Johnny Howard- Great things in little packages.
I was in depths of dispair yesterday having listened to MSM negativity and only reading the support from our wonderful bloggers kept me from doin a 'KeRrY!
I read the transcripts of the debates between Mr Bush and Kerry - George W wins and bugger the polling-
WE Support you and PRAY that BUSH WINS
GOD BLESS YOU ALL
PS Where was Lathams 'loving and supportive'wife in his moment of despair- almost felt sorry for the man, but then red wine does that to after 2 glasses
Wow wow wow
Feel quite crazy
I'm with Johnboyltd. If only Canadians had the balls and common sense to elect a man like Howard. Congratulations, Aussies, on a wise choice.
Posted by: Tyler at October 10, 2004 at 11:38 AMCongrats to all our Aussie friends. At least your Liberals are actually liberals. All our liberals are leftist idiots. Shout out to my inlaws in WA.
Posted by: eklektos USA at October 10, 2004 at 11:42 AMThe only question I have after yesterday's election is when and on what channel does the new Australian Democrats tv show premiere?
Posted by: Just Another Bloody Lawyer at October 10, 2004 at 11:47 AMCheers to our ever dependable cousins, The Aussies. Thanks for paving the way to victory for the willing the USA. With deep affections and gratitude.
BobW
Thanks, Aussies! But tell me: was it the bribery or the coercion? Either way, we're glad you're remaining with us in the fraudulent coalition!
Now, we need to do our part Nov. 2...
Posted by: Grateful American at October 10, 2004 at 11:57 AMNot just "YES" but "HELL YES!" I set my alarm for 4:00AM my time to check on things, but now I see I needn't have worried. I'm giddy.
And, because I'm shallow, I must also say that John Howard's sons are kinda hot. Heh.
Posted by: Anne in Los Angeles at October 10, 2004 at 12:00 PMYes we wus bribed an coerced aHL it took was a case of Jack Daniels and a bottle of Wild Turkey AND WE WUS ANYONES!!!!!!!!!!!!
We Ozzies see thangs much clearer after a little
sippin spirit we suren hell do.
God what we do for a little free tradin which of course was due to Marks hard work really wus,
GO BUSH GO John Howard
and we all feel even closer/safer now.
The terrorist can try but we are fully awake and ready to move
It was the bribery.
Yep definitely the bribery.
By the way, this month's cheque?
Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 10, 2004 at 12:44 PMThank you, Australia, for being such great allies of the USA!
Congratulations for Howards's great victory! Lots of Republicans in my neighborhood having Fosters and cigars in celebration!
Go, Australia!!!! WooooHOOOOO!!!!
Posted by: Bruce at October 10, 2004 at 12:45 PMWith the wisdom of hindsight, I'm just a bit disappointed that the Double Dissolution option wasn't taken up.
Imagine Bob Brown, Kerry Nettle and Natasha Snot-Deployer having to face their electorate on Saturday....
There will not be a single Double Dissolution trigger between now and 2007 (Yay!), so I'm just going to have to wait until then.
Posted by: Kaboom at October 10, 2004 at 01:12 PMThank you, Australia, for having the backbone to elect Mr. Howard. I only hope my country can follow your example by electing W.
Another Grateful US Friend
Posted by: Waltzing Mahtilda at October 10, 2004 at 01:26 PMThis comment in reply to margo's latest post shows those Howard=Nazi types haven't given up:
Unfortunately, I think we are a minority and for the first time in my life I think I understand how the German public turned a blind eye to what the Nazi party was doing in Germany & Europe in the '40's.
They just don't give up, do they?
Posted by: Dylan at October 10, 2004 at 01:34 PMJust love this headline in the Sydney Mangled Herald:
War partners congratulate Howard on win
Posted by: rebel at October 10, 2004 at 01:37 PMHey, has anyone heard from Miranda Divide or is she busy getting stuck into the French-Wine-Inna-Box?
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at October 10, 2004 at 01:58 PMWhat a vote! A vote for morons like Tim Blair who choose ideology over original thinking and so have limited themselves to only ever striving to be 'clever' and never smart.
Seriously, what half-intelligent individual could actually cheer on Howard and Bush - regardless of usual political persuasion? Howard is a serial liar who gets a woody thinking about returning us to a 1950's societal view with all the trimmings of a triumphant religious right, but it's all cloak and dagger.
At least Bush in his moronic state is open and honest that he wants to turn back the clock on social and scientific advances.
Australia now gets what it deserves. I look forward to Senate demands from Family first to make bible study a compulsory and substitute text for any science books!
Posted by: justin at October 10, 2004 at 02:41 PMLike rose, I was late in bed. But not in pyjamas.
Still celebrating. Intend to go on celebrating.
Justin: I think you need to take a long lie down....
Posted by: Dylan at October 10, 2004 at 03:11 PMGod bless you all for doing the right thing. Let's hope we here in the U.S. do the same in November.
Continue celebrating.
Posted by: David Kuner at October 10, 2004 at 03:14 PMPeople like justin can never admit that the majority of people just think Labor and associated lefties are a joke. Why is it that we who voted for the Libs are alway stupid yet the people who backed the wrong horse, like Justin are the smart ones?
Posted by: Jonnies love child at October 10, 2004 at 03:19 PMSeriously, what half-intelligent individual could actually cheer on Howard and Bush - regardless of usual political persuasion?
See, there is the core of our misunderstandings. HALF-intelligent individuals are Margoite fools, while FULLY-intelligent individuals cheer on Howard, Bush and Blair.
Posted by: Sortelli at October 10, 2004 at 03:20 PMKaboom writes:
With the wisdom of hindsight, I'm just a bit disappointed that the Double Dissolution option wasn't taken up.
Imagine Bob Brown, Kerry Nettle and Natasha Snot-Deployer having to face their electorate on Saturday....
The double dissolution was never going to happen. The half senate voting system favours the Coalition. A double dissolution reduces the quota needed to take a seat and would result in more minor parties in the Senate.
As the Coalition did remarkably well in the previous election, they would not have put those gains at risk. It was always a bluff.
A more realistic scenario would have been a double dissolution had Labor won the election to reduce the blocking power of the Coalition.
Posted by: Domitar at October 10, 2004 at 03:21 PMI'm a Bulldogs supporter here in New York and thought I'd pass along something peculiar I justced.
On October 7, the New York Times reported that "War in Iraq Plays a Role in Elections in Australia".
I just came back from the deli with Sunday's Times and you know what the coverage of the election is headed?
"Australians Re-elect Howard As Economy Trumps War."
The Times makes the SMH look fair. When they think Howard will lose it's due to Iraq. When Howard actually wins and that mighht help Bush, it has nothing to do with Iraq.
The Times should hire that Moron Margo.
Posted by: australian exile at October 10, 2004 at 03:23 PMMy wife and I have moved for a few months to lovely South Dakota to work for John Thune (http://www.johnthune.com), who is going to rid the U.S. Senate of the sickening, pathetic pantywaste known as Tom Daschle. We've been trying to figure out where we're going to go for our post-victory vacation. Seeing the election results today sealed it for me. Afghanistan here we come!
Ha! I joke - we'll be heading to visit our finest ally this November. See you Aussies soon, and beer's on me. God bless you all.
Dan
http://danstraight.blogspot.com
Ha! Fully-intelligent individuals cheer on Bush, Blair and Howard. Don't make me laugh!
I'm not saying much about Labor - just that Howard is that bad that Australia gets what it deserves. Can't wait to see Charles Darwin's works banned in Australia as heresy and a few more stupid wars for Howard's battlers to send their kids to.
The funniest thing I read all morning was Howard going to church this morning! The first PM to send us to war unprovoked, and who has absolutely no moral qualms serially lying still loves to pretend he is religious.
Posted by: justin at October 10, 2004 at 03:37 PMTricked again by the stupid people, eh Justin?
Posted by: Quentin George at October 10, 2004 at 03:41 PMWhy, yes. Fully intelligent individuals do cheer on Bush, Blair and Howard. We also know that one does not place a hyphen between "fully" and "intelligent" since fully is an adverb ending with "ly."
This little grammar lesson brings me to another question:
Who gave the Left control of the adjectives?
Posted by: cardeblu at October 10, 2004 at 03:48 PMI played my bit. Do you think GWB will give me that bribe John Kerry says were'e supposed to be getting. Disneyland sounds nice.
Posted by: MOik at October 10, 2004 at 03:52 PMjustin, you sound quite bitter. I understand -- it's not often that reality crashes into the world of the truly deluded. That can be quite shocking. Other survivors of this phenonom that I've met all agree it's like being born.
Eh? It's like being torn from the safe and comforting darkness of the womb into the harsh light of the world, where one must struggle to survive and then thrive.
I'm sure you'll get the trick of it sooner or later. Just be patient.
Posted by: The Real JeffS at October 10, 2004 at 03:52 PMAll morning happy as a pig in shit. Went to a party last night in Lefty Central (Canberra) and had a MUCH BETTER TIME than anyone else there!
Thanks to all the good people of Australia who saw through Chunky Marky, and to the good folks in the USA who have posted their congratulations.
Have you noticed that the excuses are already coming in...."We wuz robbed!" Well, suffer! Catch you in 3 years.
Posted by: munchman at October 10, 2004 at 03:59 PMWhat they are saying about us
in the USS in the USS of A
Oh god, here we go
Interest rates 'the Tampa of 2004': ALP
Posted by: Quentin George at October 10, 2004 at 04:19 PMIt looks like the government has stolen the election with scare tactics over interest rates. But why did the Australian public buy into these fears when top economists and Bearnie Frazer said that interest rates would be no different under Labor?
The answer is The Jews. Everyone knows the Jews run the international money market and that they would raise interest rates in order to punish Australia for voting Latham in.
Posted by: orgram at October 10, 2004 at 04:38 PMSteve, I think you are overestimating justin. Cut it by half again.
Posted by: The Real JeffS at October 10, 2004 at 05:28 PMIts no longer little Johnnie Howard its Big John.
BIG JOHN HOWARD Prime Minister of Australia
I just read Magoo's blog. Poor dear is so devastated that she is taking a month off.
I live in John Howard's seat and I really enjoyed putting her mate Andrew Wilke bottom of my Reps ballot paper. Hope he'll disappear now
Latham is a much diminshed man and the facade built up by Paul Kelly, Misha Schubert, Philip Adams, etc is finally over.
So much for WMD and the Iraq war being negatives. I think the war was a positive for Howard.
All we need now is for GWB to put the knife into Kerry and all will be right with the world.
Posted by: TN at October 10, 2004 at 05:47 PMGo easy on Justin. He's entitled to his opinions - no matter how boorish, ignorant and anti-democratic they are
Posted by: jlchydro at October 10, 2004 at 05:48 PMZero, I prefer to think of Paul Keating as the tampon of 1996.
Posted by: Sue at October 10, 2004 at 06:00 PMcheck the scoreboard juzzie, the people have spoken!! Nelson Muntz summed it up pretty well... HA HA!!
Posted by: rosceo at October 10, 2004 at 06:03 PMI am pleased. I confess to being a little disenchanted with the Coalition and their pre-election drunken sailor antics. Not so disenchanted, mind you, that I ever considered voting for Labor in its current incarnation - just a bit annoyed. But the result is in and I am pleased.
What really makes this sweet, however, is reading the paranoid rants of people like justin, Margo, et al who are so disconnected with the national psyche that they just KNOW they was robbed.
Thanks guys, your whining is the icing on the electoral cake.
Posted by: fidens at October 10, 2004 at 06:03 PMWhat about Robert Bosler?!?! Who is thinking about Bosler? What about all that energy that Latham was channeling? What about the special painting he did to focus those energies? Where will he go now that he will probably lose his webdiary forum? What will happen to the poor lad?
Ok back to gloat mode - mwhahahahahaha! Ahhh that is much better. I look forward to this next week of unadulterated RWDB gloating and uninhibited left wing unravelling. As for Bosler.... screw him.
Posted by: Rob at October 10, 2004 at 06:41 PMSue:=
You are correct .The electorate certainly stuck it up him.
Posted by: Mike at October 10, 2004 at 06:46 PMRob, the energy is still 'latent'.
Definition: LATENT, construction. That which
is concealed; or which does not appear ...
I watched the ABC's Insiders this morning especially to see the expression on Virginia "Not-That-I'm-An-Apologist-For-Mark-Latham" Trioli's face. Sometime between this morning and 8pm last night I think a whole crate of lemons passed between those lips. Good old Andrew Bolt was radiating smug just like he should have. Twist that knife Andrew!
Posted by: Craig Mc at October 10, 2004 at 06:52 PM"Go easy on Justin. He's entitled to his opinions - no matter how boorish, ignorant and anti-democratic they are"
These are the same feelings I have towards this little commentary community here. I just dropped by to get a feel for people on the extreme right.
I wonder what you all think about changing cross-media ownership and foreign investment laws. I would think it a disaster for our democracy. Senator Coonan speaks as if media is just another business, as if it is not fundamental to have a diversity of media voices. Whatever your political colours I cannot understand how anyone could support it. That Howard does demonstrates how anti-democratic he really is.
Posted by: justin at October 10, 2004 at 07:02 PMMargo is taking a month off at Byron Bay: She will be in good company. ( Richmond NSW electorate )
FLOWER, Susanna
The Greens
8,060
12.80
+2.74
ELLIOT, Justine
Australian Labor Party
22,713
36.06
+2.06
ANTHONY, Larry
Nationals
28,314
44.95
+0.20
johnboyltd:
Canadians have nothing to feel bad about.
The US congress would hardly have any obstacles
to drafting Americans without you. In fact, without
Canada, American draft dodgers would have to learn
Spanish. Who needs to do that?
I did some quick calculations on the Senate race in W.A.
Currently the Senate looks like being 3 Liberal, 2 Labour and 1 Green.
But, amazingly the race for the Green seat is not over. After distributing preferences from the group voting tickets the last spot goes 0.9 Quotas to the Liberals, 1.1 to the Greens.
It's unlikely the Liberals will win a fourth seat, but on current trends the Liberals will end up ONLY 10,000 votes short of an historic 4th seat.
312,000 votes still to count.
Posted by: Domitar at October 10, 2004 at 07:19 PMInteresting how Justin started out with a comment about "morons...who choose ideology over original thinking" and then proceeded to show us exactly what he was talking about. Proof by demonstration, so to speak...
Anyway, I agree with jlchydro...go easy on Justin. The cognitive dissonance must be killing the poor kid as is.
Posted by: PW at October 10, 2004 at 07:20 PMPutting aside for the moment the question of whether cross-media ownership laws were ever a good idea; the fact remains that they date from an earlier time.
In that earlier age, the news available to Australians living in some locales could very well have been limited to that found in one newspaper, one commercial TV station, and the ABC.
Nowadays we have this thing called the Internet.
As a result, to me at least, a politician's stance on cross-media ownership has become about as interesting as their position on buggy-whip tariffs.
James
Justin is obviously a terrorist...
or a caricature of one.
Oh, hold on: Justin is none other than Karl Rove.
Now I get it.
Things that I've learnt from Mark Latham:
1. Even though she's publicly beside you for the duration of an election, once you loose you must make sure that she's nowhere to been seen.
2. If you should loose an election you must go into hiding.
I personally wonder if the photos of Latham trying to stand over Mr Howard (attempting to use the kung fu grip of steel) at the ABC on Friday didn't turn the undecided off...
Posted by: rebel at October 10, 2004 at 07:27 PMI enjoyed watching Virginia Trioli's face too. More than a box full of lemons passed her lips. Try a crate full. I loved it when Bolt accused 3LO of having too much left wing bias. Bolt was far too polite but made sure Trioli felt worse that she already felt. He should have chanted "3 more years, 3 more years, ....". Absolutely fantastic none the less.
Posted by: TN at October 10, 2004 at 07:27 PMIt was a great night and a great result, if only we could have made Beazley's wish come true and won another 20 to 30 seats, reducing the ALP to 30 seats and permanent minority party status (probably next elextion). The ALP will not be back for at least another two probably more elections.
The ALP is finished, Latham will never be Prime Minister. Socialist traitor scum one and all.
Latham the worst opposition leader in recent times, absolute worst a greasey slimey turd.
"Putting aside for the moment the question of whether cross-media ownership laws were ever a good idea; the fact remains that they date from an earlier time"
Woah! Legislation dates from an earlier time - that's amazing.
Regardless of the advent of the internet most Australians will still get their information from established mainstream media.You are only being disingenous restating the Liberal line that the legislation needs to be 'modernised'.
To allow our small media-market to be owned by one or two people can create similar effects to a state-run media monopoly - the only difference is it's outsourced to private interests. A true conservative would detest this almost as much as they would detest the stranglehold communists and dictators exert over their media.
Posted by: justin at October 10, 2004 at 08:02 PMJustin:
I wonder what you all think about changing cross-media ownership and foreign investment laws.
Bring it on, I say.
I would think it a disaster for our democracy.
And I think it wouldn't matter much at all.
Senator Coonan speaks as if media is just another business
And it's not?
as if it is not fundamental to have a diversity of media voices.
Justin, we got your diversity of media voices right here. You don't seem to like diversity a whole lot.
Whatever your political colours I cannot understand how anyone could support it.
We've pretty much written off the mainstream media already. So we just don't give a shit who owns it.
That Howard does demonstrates how anti-democratic he really is.
Or maybe he reads blogs...
Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 10, 2004 at 08:02 PMSeriously, does anyone give a shit about cross-media ownership laws? If there are people who want to buy a leftist rag, then someone will exploit the market. No biggy.
It should be noted that Rupert Murdoch hires Phillip Adams.
Though probably as some sort of cruel joke.
Posted by: Quentin George at October 10, 2004 at 08:04 PMI apologize for and retract my previous comments
regarding Justin.
The truth is that he is just an ordinary douchebag.
Posted by: anonymous USA at October 10, 2004 at 08:11 PMtrue conservative would detest this almost as much as they would detest the stranglehold communists and dictators exert over their media.
No, a true conservative wouldn't create artifical restrictions on a market that doesn't need it.
Posted by: Quentin George at October 10, 2004 at 08:12 PMI also would like to apologize to Karl Rove:
That was a profound Insult to your evil genius.
Sorry 'bout that.
Aussies ROCK!
I hope we have the sense to follow your lead!
oh, and BUSH ROCKS!
I'm sure everyone's linking to this, but it's still cool . (just click and scroll UP)
"Putting aside for the moment the question of whether cross-media ownership laws were ever a good idea; the fact remains that they date from an earlier time"
Woah! Legislation dates from an earlier time - that's amazing.
Wow, you quoted me out of context to make me look stupid. I guess you must be right about everything!
Regardless of the advent of the internet most Australians will still get their information from established mainstream media.
Most people will use the mainstream, will they? What an insight.
The point isn't that this site will ever be able to compete with The Age. It's that The Age is far more available in Coober Pedy or Adelaide than The Age ever was.
You are only being disingenous restating the Liberal line that the legislation needs to be 'modernised'.
I did not state, nor do I believe, any such thing. Why modernise an irrelevancy?
James
Posted by: James Bennetts at October 10, 2004 at 08:22 PMPixy Misa hits the nail on the head.
The mainstream media is already so biased and corrupt that the question of who actually owns it borders on irrelevance.
Posted by: EvilPundit at October 10, 2004 at 08:36 PMjustin, you've just seen democracy in action. if you think there's something out of order maybe you could email somebody at the UN- they might actually give a shit. as it stands check the scoreboard dude - be gracious in defeat. nobody likes a sore LOSER!!!!!!!HAHA!! p.s go JOHN HOWARD!! you've made my day! you are truly the man of steel!- you've made latham look like the pathetic piece of shit he really is...
Posted by: rosceo at October 10, 2004 at 08:41 PMThe media is more than just news and current affairs. If democracy requires protection in relation to news and current affairs reporting, why should the rest of the entertainment industry be roped in?
Whatever protection democracy requires, enforce it against news and current affairs directly. Require ethical standards of journalists if you must. But leave media ownership under the same rules as any other industry.
Reflect on the enormity of the symbolism in this particular aspect of John Howard's win...
On some indicators the northern suburbs of Adelaide (Elizabeth, Salisbury) are the most socially deprived areas in urban Australia. Yet they now look like having a Liberal MP for the newly-drawn seat of Wakefield (admittedly having the pro-Liberal Clare Valley included helps). Nonetheless many urban booths saw big slices in the ALP 2PP vote.
This result suggests John Howard has constructed a genuine, natural aspirational/blue collar Tory majority across Australian politics. The Liberal Party now speaks for Salisbury AND Toorak! Also, 38 Coalition senators plus 1 Family First or 1 Andrew Murray equals bad news for Bob Brown.
Best of all he now stands (or is about to stand ahead) of Hawke and Fraser in the pantheon of electoral success, and almost equal to Menzies.
There's not a damn thing the sneering commentariat can do to take away from the weighty substance of Howard's win this time around.
Posted by: Alex at October 10, 2004 at 08:58 PMAndrew hits the nail on the head. Howard's (much derided by the media) battlers are, for lack of a better word, what the Americans would call "Reagan Democrats", and have been the key to his election victories since 1996.
Best of all he now stands (or is about to stand ahead) of Hawke and Fraser in the pantheon of electoral success, and almost equal to Menzies.
He already ahead of Fraser, and will pass Hawke in two months.
He's unlikely to beat Menzies' 23 years, though.
(But it would be amusing, just to see the Left cry)
Posted by: Quentin George at October 10, 2004 at 09:03 PMOne reason why I voted Johnny (amongst many) that he stood up for the right of Israelis to protect themselves and carry on with the security wall.
Only a handful of national leaders were brave, intelligent, logical; John The Great Howard one of them.
Alex is right.
The workers have delivered government - again- to the coalition - loggers in Tasmania along with those in other areas of Australia including those in the outer suburbs of the major cities.
Inner-urbanites have lost very, very, very badly - despite the Greens' increase - which simply represents the de facto protest vote of choice and which may collapse as easily as the Democrats' vote in this election (or a day-old cream-puff) - and it is they who will have to reassess their position - a position which amounts to nothing more than characterising the Prime Minister - who has just been reaffirmed by the Australian majority - as a liar.
Over to you, lefties.
No-one's holding their breath.
Posted by: ilibcc at October 10, 2004 at 09:54 PMMargo's latest column where she complains that "Austalians roundly rejected the once compelling appeal of a 'fair go'" is not only a lie but nauseating and breathtaking in it's hypocrisy. Over the years, the idea of a 'fair go' has been twisted and corrupted by the left to the extent that it has come to mean that it's OK to take from those who produce and give to those who don't produce. It's OK to take from the those who are thrifty and enterprising and give to those who are "looters and moochers" (to quote Ayn Rand). Not only is it OK, but somehow it is moral to do so. Let us be very clear. it is not moral but depraved and evil.
I celebrate the passing of this corrupt idea and if we truly have done away with it, then Australia may indeed be on the verge of great things. We can build a society where everyone truly does have a 'fair go'.
Posted by: Kevin Francis at October 10, 2004 at 10:08 PMMy friend's parents from Oz are over here visiting him in Japan. They're lovely people, but all Chomskyites. Not in the mood to party, needless to say; all broken up over the GIANT LABOR DEFEAT. I gave them a courtesy "Me, too" which they knew was bullshit, but I think helped ease the pain a little.
Posted by: DrZin at October 10, 2004 at 10:43 PMYou are allowed to provoke Chomskyites into fits of frothing rage on Sundays.
Start with little digs like "So, how's that whole democracy thing working out for you?" and work up from there.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 10, 2004 at 11:04 PMDon’t you love that bitter old grumpy man Alan Ramsay in the SMH with all these typos.
“And Latham? I think he can get there. At the very least Labor will eat into the Government's majority. People are sick and tired of Howard, and many of us detest him for his duplicity, his divisiveness and his gross mendacity. It's simply a question of whether the undecideds in the marginals think Latham is ready.
They just might”
Corrected version reads:-
“And Howard? I think he can get there. At the very least Liberal will eat into the Oppositions vote. People are sick and tired of Latham, and many of us detest him for his duplicity, his divisiveness and his gross mendacity. It's simply a question of whether the undecideds in the marginals think Howard is better.
They just might”
Posted by: Aero at October 10, 2004 at 11:40 PMEven worse for the ALP.
It was ALP Preferences that gave away control of the Senate.
Posted by: Domitar at October 10, 2004 at 11:55 PMQuery: What would we do without the Aussies and the Brits?
Answer: We Yanks would probably all be trying to learn to speak proper French.
Thank you Australia!
Posted by: A Yank at October 11, 2004 at 12:22 AMclearly Justin has played with that weiner in his pants for too long, I though such activity only sent one blind!
Posted by: steve at the pub at October 11, 2004 at 12:35 AMMalcolm Turnbull's daughter for Sex Commissioner!
Posted by: Clem Snide at October 11, 2004 at 01:08 AMLet justin have his rants. They are the only thing holding back the tears! Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Posted by: Sortelli at October 11, 2004 at 01:17 AMPeople are sick and tired of Howard, and many of us detest him for his duplicity, his divisiveness and his gross mendacity.
Now that's a good example of thinking-what-you-want-to-think on the part of Ramsey. Precisely what is Howard's divisiveness? Far as I can tell he's attracting bogans to the toff side of politics! can't get less divisive than that!
Posted by: Anon at October 11, 2004 at 01:18 AMI went back to Sept 12, 2001 and found this excepted transcript of a press interview of Mr. Howard who was at the time trapped at the Australian Embassy in Washington, DC—How can you NOT love this guy and his lucid, no BS thinking. Thank you Australia!
JOURNALIST: When you say Australia will give its full support [to America], what do you mean by that?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, I’m talking diplomatically and otherwise. We haven’t been requested to provide any military assistance, but obviously if we were asked to help we would. It is very important at a time like this that America knows that she’s got friends.
JOURNALIST: So Australia could provide military support.
PRIME MINISTER: Well we haven’t been asked to. What I’m saying Allison is that we would provide support within our capability.
JOURNALIST: Mr Howard, back in 1991 when the Gulf War broke out then-Prime Minister Bob Hawke committed Australian forces to that confrontation without going to Parliament and he was criticised for that …
PRIME MINISTER: Well I didn’t criticise him at the time.
JOURNALIST: The public did though…
PRIME MINISTER: Well I wasn’t one of them.
JOURNALIST: No, but now that you’re Prime Minister, you’re not concerned that there might be criticism…
PRIME MINISTER: Well, I will wear that criticism if it comes. I thought Mr Hawke was right, on that occasion, and he received the instantaneous support of the then-Opposition Leader and the Opposition and, you know, you must bear in mind that this is an occasion where America must understand that she’s got friends. But let me stress, I haven’t been requested, and I’m not suggesting we will be, but we have to accept that this is an occasion where we should stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Americans, because this is not just an assault on America, it’s an assault on the way of life that we hold dear in common.
The Ballot box: Where we separate the men from the Spaniards.
Posted by: Hucklebuck at October 11, 2004 at 01:47 AMIt's Aussie wine and Fosters beer from now on. Now that's a country with backbone!! Love you guys and will visit soon.
Posted by: Sergio Santana, New York at October 11, 2004 at 01:51 AMGod, it's great to see a country -- to see SOMETHING on this planet -- with a spine.
Thank you, Australia. You've given a dreary weekend a a wonderful, brigh spot of light.
Posted by: The Real JeffS at October 11, 2004 at 02:19 AMHelloooo? Dar? Nemesis? Miranda? Where are yooooo?
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at October 11, 2004 at 02:32 AMWorry, not, the leftoid trolls will be back. Some infections never go away.
Posted by: The Real JeffS at October 11, 2004 at 03:06 AMAnother reason why this American women loves Australian men.....over on his site,Prof. Bunyip just used the word "wankerstocracy" in his latest post.
sigh....
>Can't wait to see Charles Darwin's works banned
>in Australia as heresy
Justin, I'll give you $50,000 the day that happens.
Or is this just stereotypical hyberbolic leftist pants-wetting?
We named a friggin' city after him.
I'm an atheist myself, but this hysterical reaction to any hint of religious belief annoys me a lot more than most religions do.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 11, 2004 at 03:36 AMOkay, now send that Kerry bat back to the US so she can campaign for her brother...
Posted by: richard mcenroe at October 11, 2004 at 04:18 AMFirst thing I heard yesterday morning was the Kookaburras doing their Mode 5 wake-up call.
Michael in SC, you picked the right transcript to post about Mr Howard.
Thank you to our American (and other) friends for your warm wishes. I always had confidence that the Australian people would vote for what is right.
If our victory enhances in any way, your faith, stamina or spirit, that good things can happen in this world, then grab it and run with it. Don't ever forget that we are like you!
Posted by: Lofty at October 11, 2004 at 10:23 AMThanks, Lofty. It has indeed enhanced our spirit in the USA. Congratulations again from America.
Posted by: spitfire9 at October 11, 2004 at 02:29 PMWe named a friggin' city after him.
Not only that, NT's university is Charles Darwin University
Posted by: Quentin George at October 11, 2004 at 06:35 PMCongratulations to Janette on her victory over Janine - where was Ms Lacy on election night?
It's a terrific result anyway. We will look back on this time very fondly one day...
Posted by: Ben P at October 11, 2004 at 07:22 PMAdvance, Australia fair! Good on you, mates, and I too hope we can return the favor on November 2.
Posted by: hawkeye steve at October 12, 2004 at 03:21 AM