August 26, 2004

'NAM REMINDER AVOIDED

Acting on Ken Layne's wise advice - "the last thing you want to do is remind people every day that John Kerry fought in Vietnam" - Mark Steyn persists in reminding people that John Kerry didn't fight in Cambodia. Few others are eager to pursue this story, however:

Would it be too much to expect so-called political journalists to investigate Kerry's Cambodian stories? You know, the way they did when the comparatively minor question arose of whether Bush was AWOL from his National Guard base three decades ago. Boy, The New York Times loved that one:

February 4: "Military Service Becomes Issue in Bush-Kerry Race"

February 11: "The President's Guard Service"

February 13: "Seeking Memories of Bush at an Alabama Air Base"

February 15: "Still the Question: What Did You Do in the War?"

As the Times put it, "Mr. Bush himself also made the issue of military service fair game by posturing as a swashbuckling pilot when welcoming a carrier home from Iraq."

Well, the other feller made his military service fair game by posturing as a swashbuckling Swift Boat lieutenant to the exclusion of the other 59 years and eight months of his life. The story now is not John Kerry's weird secret-agent fantasies but the media's willingness to act as elite guardians of them. They're his real "band of brothers," happy to fish him out of their water, even if their credibility sinks in the process.

Meanwhile, Kerry had this to say about the Bush administration's failings during an appearance on The Daily Show:

We angered everybody in the world.

Sure, it was just a throwaway line during a lame interview ... but a comment like that is just creepy.

Posted by Tim Blair at August 26, 2004 09:15 AM
Comments

Didn't anger me.

Posted by: superboot at August 26, 2004 at 09:54 AM

Geez Jon, what happened? Nothing more pathetic than someone you once thought was funny in the appropriate cynical way, suddenly look like a complete tool. Jon Stewart has officially graduated from the Al Franken University.

Posted by: James at August 26, 2004 at 09:56 AM


John Kerry served earlier in Vietnam than we thought.

Six paragraphs down he states he was in Vietnam April 4, 1968 when Dr. King was assassinated, more than seven months before he actually was.

Posted by: PJ at August 26, 2004 at 09:58 AM

"We angered everybody in the world"

Is he saying that if he gets onto the throne, he's going to make sure everybody loves the U.S.?

How?

Posted by: Lofty at August 26, 2004 at 10:02 AM

...the media's willingness to act as elite guardians of them. They're his real "band of brothers," happy to fish him out of their water, even if their credibility sinks in the process.

There's a Cox and Forkum cartoon waiting to happen.

Posted by: Lawrence at August 26, 2004 at 10:03 AM

PJ:

In fairness, he didn't get into the Swift boats until Nov. 1968. However, he did have a 1-year tour before that, in the "blue water" navy. His comments probably refer to learning of the assassination while on ship-board.

Posted by: Shelby at August 26, 2004 at 10:12 AM

...and it's not as if you could find any extemporaneous quotes from George W. Bush that would cause anyone to raise an eyebrow.

Posted by: tim g at August 26, 2004 at 10:32 AM

So the SBFT ads are really hitting home and hurting Kerry - how can we tell?

When every sycophantic anti-Bush/pro-Kerry columnist, TV anchor, `comedian', `journalist' and blog troll shrilly condems the swifties as Republican drones and shock horror "funded by Bush supporters".

Well I sent the swifties a hundred bucks and hope they keep up the pressure, I love watching chinless, smooth skinned democrats quivering with rage.

Posted by: oldDigger at August 26, 2004 at 10:51 AM

The Daily Show swings far left during election years, but the rest of the time they are the most balanced and comprehensive television news source.

Posted by: aaron at August 26, 2004 at 11:03 AM

"...and it's not as if you could find any extemporaneous quotes from George W. Bush that would cause anyone to raise an eyebrow."

Well, tim g, since you don't provide any...

Posted by: Andrea Harris at August 26, 2004 at 12:20 PM

Sure, that's a creepy comment. But what else would you expect from Lurch?

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 26, 2004 at 12:32 PM

Would it be too much to expect so-called political journalists to investigate Kerry's Cambodian stories?

Yes.

Another Vietnam whooper. Kerry tells a story about a pet dog named VC. Kerry claims the dog was catapulted and unhurt by a mine explosion under Kerry’s boat unto the deck of a nearby swift boat. Said mine explosion, resulting boat damage and catapulting dog does not appear in any military records.

Posted by: perfectsense at August 26, 2004 at 12:37 PM

Kerry certainly had an action packed four months in Vietnam didn't he?

Maybe Mr Moore with his many talents, can probe even further into Kerry's exploits. I am sure there are many more touching and courageous stories, both foreign and domestic, to produce a flick showing the 'real man' that us simple and misguided humans cannot fathom.

I wonder what the title of the flick would be?

Posted by: Lofty at August 26, 2004 at 01:05 PM

Re creepy comment/ extemporaneous quip:

At first Americans were told that 9/11 happened because we angered the world and deserved it. Now, Kerry tells us our reaction to 9/11 is what angered "everybody in the world". It's all so confusing in a chicken or the egg kind of way.

But, maybe's he's right that Bush really steamed everybody when he put US interests and regard for western civilization ahead of French oil deals and Russian credit debt with Saddam. Perhaps a President Kerry could have avoided the world's wrath by signing an economy busting Kyoto, offering our generals to the ICC, disavowing Israel and bowing to the UN. Perhaps Kerry might have mollified our international betters with concessions, compromise, sensitivity, and submission. Maybe Kerry's Boston Brahmin hauteur is just an attitude he cops for Americans, when he's really the world's best friend. Maybe Kerry's foreign policy would be "it's better to be liked than respected", instead of Bush's "you're either with us or against us" cowboy swagger. Maybe he realizes that preemption isn't worth getting allies like France, Belgium and Cuba upset with us, and that, if we don't get the world angry at us, they'll cry big bucketfuls at our funeral.

But my vote is still for the cowboy.

Posted by: c at August 26, 2004 at 01:49 PM

Is he saying that if he gets onto the throne, he's going to make sure everybody loves the U.S.?

How?

I don't know what Kerry would do about the Arabs, but since Germany, Russia, and the cheese eating surrender monkeys, were only in it for Saddam's money, it stands to reason that a President with Kerry's strength of character would just buy them off. Say a couple million over Saddam's best offer.

Posted by: papertiger at August 26, 2004 at 02:10 PM
Maybe Mr Moore with his many talents, can probe even further into Kerry's exploits. I am sure there are many more touching and courageous stories, both foreign and domestic, to produce a flick showing the 'real man' that us simple and misguided humans cannot fathom.

I wonder what the title of the flick would be?

Apocryphal Pow?

Posted by: gnotalex at August 26, 2004 at 03:51 PM

Is he saying that if he gets onto the throne, he's going to make sure everybody loves the U.S.?

Like an indulgent parent all the U.S. will get is a disrespectful bunch of nations.Give 'em a clip under the ears.That'll straighten 'em up. None of that pussy shit from girlie men.

Posted by: gubbaboy at August 26, 2004 at 04:58 PM

Kerry seems to be a person who wants/needs to be LOVED by everyone. Perhaps this is behind many of his flip-flops? He tells one group what they want to hear so he'll be loved, then does the same with the next group.

If Kerry becomes president he's going to want to ensure he is loved and the US is loved. That's a very tall order.

I can't recall any period in US history when the US was loved by one and all. For me, that isn't a goal worth trying to achieve. The price of the 'love' would be too high.

For someone like Kerry; who seems to me to crave affection, it must be a shock to realize how many of his former 'band of brothers' hate his guts. I feel sorry for him. I'm not excusing him. I realize in the 70's he sh*t on his fellow soldiers and now he's reaping what he's sown, but I still feel kind of sorry for him.

I'm wondering how much harm is being done to Kerry in my own state in terms of re-election? (Assuming he doesn't become president.) He's taking quite a beating in his own state. Of course, I doubt it will add up to Pres. Bush getting the majority of votes here. But he could be vulnerable when re-election to US Senate comes around. I could see another Democrat challenging him and winning.

Posted by: Chris Josephson at August 26, 2004 at 05:00 PM

"We angered everybody in the world"

We angered the scum of the Earth.

Posted by: Fred Boness at August 26, 2004 at 05:47 PM

It is not inconsistent to believe that previous policies caused people to dislike America and that current poicies are also causing people to dislike America. Whether these beliefs are right or wrong -- it is certainly not a chicken and egg situation.

Posted by: John Humphreys at August 26, 2004 at 06:19 PM

I think the main point people are trying to make here John is that people are going to hate America regardless of its policies.

"If George Bush didn't exist, the Left would have to invent him."

Posted by: Quentin George at August 26, 2004 at 06:31 PM

From one simpering piece of shit (Jon Stewart) to another (JFK)... Dubya by 7 pts. Game over.

What a party we'll have....

Posted by: geezer at August 26, 2004 at 06:33 PM

The story now is not John Kerry's weird secret-agent fantasies but the media's willingness to act as elite guardians of them.

How come the "Hero of Cambodia" can't face real journalists?

Posted by: perfectsense at August 26, 2004 at 07:35 PM

And another point, John, is that not wanting to "anger" anyone is no way to run a toddler's birthday party let alone a country, and claiming that it is is an indication that the claimant is too immature to be let out in the street without a chaperone.

Let me illustrate further: thieves and murderers sure do get angry when they get caught and jailed. Should we therefore stop capturing and jailing thieves and murderers? And as for the so-called "good" people we are supposedly angering... well, thieves and murderers often support their family members either with their ill-gotten gains and/or earnings from real jobs, and these family members might otherwise not have directly participated in the crimes committed, and thus often feel that the jailing of their "breadwinner" is an unfair blow -- but that is likewise no argument against the actions of the courts and police.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at August 26, 2004 at 08:42 PM

"I wonder what the title of the flick would be? "

Lofty,
May I suggest Kerry's Heroes?

Posted by: Rob Read at August 26, 2004 at 09:25 PM

who cares if people dislike the us? is the world just one big sorority?

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 26, 2004 at 09:56 PM

They didn't anger me. I must not exist!!

Posted by: Matt T at August 26, 2004 at 10:13 PM

Yawn. What a vacuum this blog is.

Posted by: Graham at August 26, 2004 at 10:29 PM

Much like your head, eh, Graham?

*rimshot*

Posted by: david at August 27, 2004 at 12:14 AM

not much of a degree of difficulty on that one, david; don't expect a good score from the soviet judge.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 27, 2004 at 12:19 AM

Yeah, I know, but it hurt *not* to.

Posted by: david at August 27, 2004 at 12:40 AM

Yawn, what a stupid and pointless waste of typing that comment from Graham was.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at August 27, 2004 at 12:40 AM

This is completely off topic... I just wanted to mention Johnnie's genius in purchasing missiles that can strike Indonesia's leaders quickly in a dire situation on the same day they essentially release Australia's greatest butcher.

Posted by: AuSkeptic at August 27, 2004 at 12:57 AM

I thought John Kerry's bit on Jon Stewart's Daily Show was the perfect alignment of two empty suits on the same stage.

Posted by: Rebecca at August 27, 2004 at 01:49 AM

And another point, John, is that not wanting to "anger" anyone is no way to run a toddler's birthday party let alone a country, and claiming that it is is an indication that the claimant is too immature to be let out in the street without a chaperone.

Wasn't it Sheryl Crow who said that the best way to avoid war is not to have any enemies? Maybe Kerry will make her Secretary of State.

Posted by: pdq332 at August 27, 2004 at 01:49 AM

Andrea nailed it (as she frequently does). Too much of our leadership and commentariat behave like like insecure teenagers, more eager to be well-liked than to do the right thing. Further, they suffer from a dysfunctional relationship with cynical, manipulative European parents who are always critical and never satisfied.

Posted by: Cosmo at August 27, 2004 at 02:11 AM

For socialists, appearances are more important than reality.

Posted by: aaron at August 27, 2004 at 02:44 AM

"Kerry seems to be a person who wants/needs to be LOVED by everyone. Perhaps this is behind many of his flip-flops? He tells one group what they want to hear so he'll be loved, then does the same with the next group."

This reminds me of one of the stories in Isaac Asimov's collection "I, Robot". It is learned that an unexplained anomaly in the production line has produced a robot that can read minds. Since the First Law of Robotics is "A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm", it is unable to tell a person anything that would make that person feel bad ("...injure a human being..."). Therefore, it can only tell people what they want to hear. Finally, the robot psychologist confronts the robot with two people who want to hear opposite things, and the robot's positronic brain explodes with the dilemma.

Mr. Kerry had better be careful about being in the same room with people from two opposing interest groups.

Posted by: Bruce Lagasse at August 27, 2004 at 04:40 AM

One time I pissed off my mom and she threw a shoe 25 feet and nailed me in the head, after that no matter where I was I knew mom could reach me. Hence, love and respect. You get my drift.

LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!!!

Posted by: Jeremy at August 27, 2004 at 05:27 AM

Kerry served in Vietnam? No kidding?

Posted by: Junkyard God at August 27, 2004 at 06:08 AM

Wasn't it Sheryl Crow who said that the best way to avoid war is not to have any enemies?

That's really not too far from State's view on things. Look at the difference between W's treatment and State's treatment of Arafat. I was hoping that W would clean house and move out the Clinton era hangers-on at State after 9/11.

Posted by: Warthog at August 27, 2004 at 11:36 AM

"I was hoping that W would clean house and move out the Clinton era hangers-on at State after 9/11."

I'm surprised he hasn't. I bet there are many Clinton folks there who have been trying, and will continue trying, to undermine Bush.

From what I've read, seems that State is filled with plenty of people who believe in Kerry's view of the world (very PC and rose colored glasses) rather than Bush's. I would not be at all surprised if some of the apparent screw ups on Bush's part stem from information received and or digested by the hangers-on.

Wasn't there an email circulated by State employees that was very anti-Bush? I believe Powell had to deal with that one. Haven't heard if snyone lost their jobs or not.

Posted by: Chris Josephson at August 27, 2004 at 12:47 PM

Because of my ability to talk to VC the wonder dog, we became the point boat for any mission undertaken into enemy territory, particularly Cambodia.

After the mine in the water incident, VC had become our best mine detector. I swear the dog had x-ray vision, sitting on the bow day and night as we moved along. It shook its head when offered food or drink, refusing any sustenance while we were in the 'danger zone'. I should say at this point that it was only following the example that I set.

If we came across a mine in daytime, VC would come to attention and point its right front leg at the location. If it was at night it would give a muffled bark before pointing its leg. VC and I would have a quick talk and discuss our next move. As always the dog agreed with my decisions.

I'd heave the boat to, and as the only qualified underwater demolition expert, dive into the water and disarm the mine. I'd previously done a lot of training holding my breath and I could now easily hold it for five minutes, long enough to disarm any mine that Charlie threw my way.

Sometimes I allowed 'VC The Faithful' as I called him, to dive in with me. I'd trained the dog to hold his breath for as long as me, one of my many accomplishments. VC would carry the tools as I wrenched open the mine and did my work.

All crews were in awe of my deeds and though medals were offered freely, I wanted nothing of them. "Give them to VC" I demanded.

(Did I ever tell you about how I got VC out of a prison camp in North Vietnam while looking for MIAs?)

Posted by: Lofty at August 27, 2004 at 12:52 PM

From what I've read, seems that State is filled with plenty of people who believe in Kerry's view of the world (very PC and rose colored glasses) rather than Bush's.

On a related matter its so sweet that the U.N. have finally arranged discussion with the Sudan Govt. about verifying compliance to stop murdering its civilians.If the Sudan won't stop in a month they may face sanctions!
Imagine the consequences for the defenceess if that wuss Kerry gets to compliment the PC views of the U.N.Any bets on how many millions will be in refugee camps waiting for the benevolence of the well loved U.S and U.N.

Posted by: gubbaboy at August 27, 2004 at 01:03 PM

Kerry wants desperately to be loved. Most pols with a real drive to be elected want desperately to be liked or loved. However, Kerry’s lust for popularity carries, of course, a distinct & pungent tinge of a sense of entitlement to popularity.

Posted by: ForNow at August 27, 2004 at 02:08 PM

I have a cousin who in the State department; at one point, my cousin worked in the White House during the Clinton administration.

My cousin about as friendly to Bush as MoveOn.Org is, and is quite open about it. From that and other character flaws of my relative, I suspect that there are other of like mind, since my cousin likes to "conform".

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 27, 2004 at 02:29 PM

Sheesh! I need to hit PREVIEW next time....I'll try again:

I have a cousin who is in the State Department; at one point, my cousin worked in the White House during the Clinton administration.

My cousin is about as friendly to Bush as MoveOn.Org is, and is quite open about it. From that and other character flaws of my relative, I suspect that there are other of like mind, since my cousin likes to "conform".

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 27, 2004 at 03:06 PM

Hey Timbo,
have you checked out the conservative singles scene yet? there's a great article in The Age about it today - http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/26/1093456733825.html called Lonely Hearts get political. Or maybe Imre S. needs more help in that dept than you....
maybe you could set up liberalsingles.com.au...
love
mallrat

Posted by: Mallrat at August 27, 2004 at 05:08 PM

MY GOD! MAN BITES DOG! Our local NBC station just did a reasonably unbiased job of covering the 527 issue. They actually discovered that Dems have 527's and they have outspent the Reps on ads. Please pray for them because that giant sucking sound you heard was their liscense being pulled! There is no joy in Cameless tonight!

Posted by: YoJimbo at August 27, 2004 at 05:22 PM

Mallrat, I'm pretty sure Tim already has a partner.

Sorry, better luck next time.

Posted by: Quentin George at August 27, 2004 at 06:29 PM

Whatever happened to Kerry's dog? Was he/she featured in any of the home movies Kerry found the time to make in between covert ops. with the CIA?

Real JeffS:

Do you have any feeling as to how broad the anti-Bush sentiment is at State? (I realize it may be hard to tell via your cousin.)

I was wondering if there *is* a great deal of anti-Bush sentiment in State, could it be in part because of the type of people that are attracted to work there? Perhaps State would attract people who believe the world is a wonderful place full of people we just need to understand? People who view the UN as indispensable to peace in the world?

If anyone is curious, I believe the Secret Service may be very Bush friendly. Have a friend who just early retired from Federal Law Enforcement. Knows Secret Service people and actually was one for a VERY BRIEF while (then went to work for another 'arm' of the feds).

My friend is always very careful about never repeating specific info., which I admire, but my friend did tell me that most agents she knew were not very fond of the Clintons. They feel better treated by Pres. Bush (both of them). They found the Clintons hard to work with/for.

Could be the nature of law enforcement in terms of the people it attracts, so the Clintons may be nice people. My friend and her co-workers I've met are politically conservative. They may have been inclined to dislike the Clintons anyway. It's possible their dislike of the Clintons was more political than due to any horrible treatment by the Clintons.

Posted by: Chris Josephson at August 27, 2004 at 09:24 PM

the state dept is all about 'nuance', it's the very reason for their existance, so it's not a big shock.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 27, 2004 at 10:06 PM

If I had the opportunity to land on a carrier in a jet I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Mikey at August 27, 2004 at 10:59 PM

Chris, I honestly don't know about how wide spread the dislike of Bush at State might be. All I can say is that my cousin doesn't even try to be the nicest person in the world, is very much an elitist, and does tend to suck up. Sounds like someone who would love to work for Clinton.

I've heard similar stories about the Clintons and the Secret Service relationship, from the Federal law enforcement community, myself.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 28, 2004 at 12:47 AM

jeffs, you're not related to kerry, are you?

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 02:05 AM

Mr. Bingley, do I have to sic your sister on you? Do I? If you're going to be mean and nasty about this, I'll have to enquire as to her going rates; maybe she gives discounts to fellow bloggers. :-)

Sorry about the minor backtrack, but I've never met any of my cousin's co-workers. That's why I "suspect" there are many more like my cousin, based on her personality. Perhaps I should have described her as "an appeaser" with an "elitist attitude".

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 28, 2004 at 02:15 AM

she would give discounts, but, being blond, math has never been her strong suit

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 02:25 AM

we all have black sheep in our family closets, jeffs...maybe if we have a dialogue about this your internet family can help you work through this painful circumstance

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 02:34 AM

Jeffs ~ Mr. Bingley (BASTARD!) is an ill mannered, academic elitest, looking down his lavender colored proboscis at those he percieves uneducated or ill informed, to wit:

1)don't agree with him or
2)fail to rub his wee, gleaming pate in recognition of his rapier-like repartee.

At this very moment, I'm sure he's scrunching his opisthognathous face, anticipating his next assault. He picks on small dogs, for God's sake. Ignore him.

Posted by: tree hugging sister at August 28, 2004 at 02:54 AM

Yes, I appreciate the offer of group therapy, Mr. Bingley, but I long ago accepted that the intelligent and beautiful cousin with a bright future that I knew as a child has turned into a leftoid zombie. She is not the only one so afflicted in my family, but I still love them anyway.

It makes for interesting family reunions, by the way, since a large portion of my family can be labeled as card carrying RWDB. Including a retired Marine (gunnery sergeant) who brooks no nonsense. ;-)

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 28, 2004 at 03:00 AM

hey, it's not my fault barney could be my governor's bitch

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 03:04 AM

Tree hugging sister, I figured as much when Mr. Bingley responded so callously (related to Kerry, indeed!). Alas, not being in close proximity to this misguided soul, physical violence was not a viable option (although I did consider it).

I therefore elected to play the family card. I appreciate your support, and I hope that the next time you gather with your family for quality time, Mr. Bingley is better behaved. Perhaps I could send you a rolled up newspaper, say, the New York Times?

In gratitude, I am

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 28, 2004 at 03:06 AM

It makes for interesting family reunions, by the way, since a large portion of my family can be labeled as card carrying RWDB. Including a retired Marine (gunnery sergeant) who brooks no nonsense.

oh shit, are we related now, too?

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 03:06 AM

ths, i am most definately prognathous, in a manly style that is evocative of the finest that the scottish highlands has to offer, yet at the same time admirably possessed of disposition so agreeable as to be accepted by all levels of society

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 03:20 AM

Jeffs ~ Not at all, not at all. My pleasure entirely. Actually, my duty as a member of society.
Perhaps I could send you a rolled up newspaper, say, the New York Times? Pravda? Perfect! The thought is much appreciated.


Bingley ~ girlie man

Posted by: tree hugging sister at August 28, 2004 at 03:33 AM

you're just jealous because i look better in a kilt than you do

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 03:36 AM

oh shit, are we related now, too?

Mr. Bingley, even if it ain't so, I'll bet you regret your question about me being related to Kerry. That former Marine might have sharp words for you about potentially sullying your family name (not to mention mine) in such a heinous fashion. And you'll deserve them. I hope that you survive the experience, as you seem to be a decent man at heart, if a trifle cavalier.

Tree hugging sister, I suspect that the only way Mr. Bingley looks better than you in a kilt is with his mouth duct taped and a bag over his head.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 28, 2004 at 03:45 AM

don't mention duct tape!!!

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 03:47 AM

I suspect that the only way Mr. Bingley looks better than you in a kilt is with his mouth duct taped and a bag over his head.

Jeffs ~ in the fabled, wistful words of one Kerry, John...Would it were so...sigh.

Bingley Braveheart

But thank you for the thought.

Posted by: tree hugging sister at August 28, 2004 at 04:12 AM

damn you! you promised you destroyed that years ago!

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 04:37 AM

Well, now wait a damn minute! If you'll remember, you're the one who told Gov. McGreevy that you'd cherish the party pic he took of you forever. I'm the one who thought you shoulda had a shirt on. So now I should know you don't want it...?

Posted by: tree hugging sister at August 28, 2004 at 04:59 AM

I hope that you survive the experience, as you seem to be a decent man at heart, if a trifle cavalier.

i am indeed your humble servant, sir, and while i would normally hesitate to correct such an esteemed personage as yourself, honor commands me as a graduate of Mr. Jefferson's University to point out that i am somewhat more than a trifle cavalier.

i remain, suh, yours

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 05:01 AM

Children! Don't make me come over there. The next one that cries gets a slap, I don't care who started it.

Posted by: Rebecca at August 28, 2004 at 05:02 AM

memories i cherish forever; negatives i burn.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 05:05 AM

look ths, now you've gone and gotten rebecca all riled up again.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 05:07 AM

JeffS, you are wise in your choice of family member with whom to ally yourself.

Tree Hugging Sis

Mr. Bingley

I rest my case.

Posted by: Ken Summers at August 28, 2004 at 05:40 AM

[sigh] And I have to come all the way over here to be close that dear Rebecca....

Posted by: Ken Summers at August 28, 2004 at 05:42 AM

yeah, where've you been, dear rebecca?

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 05:46 AM

(insert syrupy Southern accent)
Oh Mister Summers, you great, big handsome man! A true gentleman. Nay! Verily a knight in shining armor, appearing to smote the bastardly Bingley back to the primordial scummy pond from which he, Kerry-like, sprangeth.

Mr. Bingley ~ 'I fart in your general direction' ring a bell?

Hi Rebecca. {:^)

Posted by: tree hugging sister at August 28, 2004 at 06:02 AM

Ken, thanks for the links....I did wonder why Mr. Bingley described himself as "....somewhat more than a trifle cavalier". Now I know.

How did your family produce THS and Mr. Bingley? Is he adopted?

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 28, 2004 at 07:06 AM

But JeffS, don't let his cavalier-yet-slightly-foppish looks fool you. He is a bit of a ladies man as well.

Posted by: Ken Summers at August 28, 2004 at 07:14 AM

Is he adopted?

Again I intone solemnly 'would it were so'...

Posted by: tree hugging sister at August 28, 2004 at 07:17 AM

dang, those trousers are sharp>...

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 07:18 AM

Well, he did say a 'bit of a ladies man. The other part is 'girlie' man, and I already pointed that out.

Posted by: tree hugging sister at August 28, 2004 at 07:40 AM

- chuckle -

Posted by: Ken Summers at August 28, 2004 at 10:23 AM

miserable pukes.

each and every one of you.

aside from rebecca, of course.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 28, 2004 at 11:07 AM

Mr. Bingley, you silver-tongued devil, you.

I am, however, on the distaff side. Although, given treehuggingsis's observations, I'm beginning to wonder which side that is.

Posted by: Rebecca at August 28, 2004 at 11:52 AM

Ah, sibling rivalry! :-O

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 28, 2004 at 12:20 PM

Rebecca, I'm actually married and therefore unavailable, but I love it when you use the word "staff". Especially when preceded by "di", Greek for "two".

Okay, you may slap me now...

Posted by: Ken Summers at August 28, 2004 at 12:32 PM

KS, I wouldn't dream of it. You and your partners in crime provide me with way too much entertainment. The threat to slap was merely metaphorical, and you may make of it what you will. At any time of day or night, but probably at night, I surmise.

Posted by: Rebecca at August 28, 2004 at 01:05 PM

Rebecca ~ If referring to the Bingley/THS/Crusader gang of thieves working occasionally in concert with Mr. Summers IRT:
You and your partners in crime,

we prefer to be called:

Triumvirate of Wit and Charm-Americans, or TOWACA, for short. I know you'd never intentionally disrespect our societal niche. You're just too nice.

If you didn't mean us, never mind.

Posted by: tree hugging sister at August 28, 2004 at 11:41 PM

What was george bush doing while kerry was in vietnam-I hear he was drinking to excess and sticking coke up his nose.
Well,that's all right then.

Posted by: markltham at August 29, 2004 at 12:19 AM

Too bad Bush missed the opportunity to film himself as he pretended to stalk gooks like an infantry grunt for Spielberg to use at his convention. Too bad Bush missed out on the opportunity to slander his fellow sailors and soldiers as war criminals in the cause of losing a war. Too bad millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians were slaughtered after Kerry and his kind succeeded in bringing us ignominious defeat.

Too bad Kerry now feels he is a war hero, end of discussion. At least Bush acknowledges his youthful self-destructive behavior. But what untold numbers of other people did he destroy during 'Nam?

Posted by: c at August 29, 2004 at 02:32 AM

Unhappily, c, that's exactly what the lefties hate about Bush. He indulged himself when he was younger, acknowledged his problems and the results thereof, and has changed.

Unlike Kerry, who also indulged himself when he was younger, but hasn't acknowledged his problems and the results thereof, and won't change. Hell, he thinks he is still in the military, saluting everyone.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 29, 2004 at 03:03 AM

"What was george bush doing while kerry was in vietnam-I hear he was drinking to excess and sticking coke up his nose."

I didn't know he was an anti-war hippie. So why don't you like him, markltham?

Oh, and BTW, that coke bit was made up during the 2000 campaign. Just so you know.

Posted by: Ken Summers at August 29, 2004 at 03:12 AM

towaca?

hmmm, and when we fight, it's towaca brawley...

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 29, 2004 at 04:16 AM

tony orlando and dawn?

prince and the revolution?

ken summers and towaca?

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at August 29, 2004 at 04:18 AM

I wish I was witty and charming.

Posted by: aaron at August 29, 2004 at 04:26 AM

"tony orlando and dawn?"

Don't EVER do that again.

That said, I do have to make one further comment. I've only seen the one pic of THS in the uniform so I can't say for sure, but I'm betting she has some great TOWACAs.

Posted by: Ken Summers at August 29, 2004 at 05:34 AM

Did I say partners in crime? Um... I meant, of course, the Triumvirate of Wit and Charm-Americans. I've been hanging around right-wingers too long.

Posted by: Rebecca at August 29, 2004 at 08:54 AM

marklatham embarrassed himself in two threads with a fact-free dribble? Who would have thought....

Posted by: Quentin George at August 29, 2004 at 10:07 AM

No, no, Quentin! It's markltham, the Man Who Lost A Vowel. That's a pretty good sign he's naturally clueless.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 29, 2004 at 10:18 AM

Well, The Real JeffS... Isn't The Real Latham himself missing one of the usual two "vowels", in a manner of speaking, of course?

Posted by: entirely below the belt at August 29, 2004 at 10:28 AM

LOL, c! You scored double there!

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 29, 2004 at 10:31 AM

Um, I have to ask...is there a "The Fake JeffS" running around?

Posted by: Ken Summers at August 29, 2004 at 11:04 AM

Well, sort of, Ken. My blogname used to be "JeffS" (original, I know), until some troll faked a posting using that (I really pissed someone off!). Since I had been "touched by a troll", I felt a need to take a long shower and to change my name.

Once again being original, I started using "The Real JeffS".

A boring story. You can wake up, now! :-)

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 29, 2004 at 11:12 AM

Oh man. I'm sorry, dude. "Touched by a Troll". Ew. But it'll make a great title when you write your autobiography ;)

Posted by: Ken Summers at August 29, 2004 at 01:31 PM

I thought about a TV series, but it would have to be on Spike or a similar channel. Defintely not family friendly.

Posted by: The Real JeffS at August 29, 2004 at 02:48 PM