July 02, 2004


Does Michael Moore eat so much because if he loses weight heíll resemble the photo-fit of some guy in Michigan who maybe kidnapped Girl Guides back in the '60s and, like, sold them to Charles Manson? For slavery purposes? Iím just posing a question:

Mr. Moore hints that the real reason Mr. Bush invaded Afghanistan was to give his cronies a chance to profit by building an oil pipeline there.

"I'm just raising what I think is a legitimate question," Mr. Moore told me, a touch defensively, adding, "I'm just posing a question."

Moore also likes to pose questions arising from alleged Carlyle Group connections to the Bush family. Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball investigate:

The idea that the Carlyle Group is a wholly owned subsidiary of some loosely defined "Bush Inc." concern seems hard to defend. Like many similar entities, Carlyle boasts a roster of bipartisan Washington power figures. Its founding and still managing partner is Howard Rubenstein, a former top domestic policy advisor to Jimmy Carter. Among the firmís senior advisors is Thomas "Mack" McLarty, Bill Clintonís former White House chief of staff, and Arthur Levitt, Clintonís former chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission. One of its other managing partners is William Cannard,Clintonís chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. Spokesman Ullman was the Clinton-era spokesman for the SEC.

Posted by Tim Blair at July 2, 2004 06:03 AM

Just posing a couple of questions ..

Did MM have anything to do with Bush winning the last election? It's very odd that MM was a Nader supporter last time, *PLUS* he has benefited big-time (money and fame) since Bush was elected.

Did MM somehow get to the poll workers in Florida? Did MM manipulate the ballots so they were confusing? What is MM's connection to the infamous 'hanging chads' we heard so much about?
There's more here that 'some people' don't want us to know. The truth is being suppressed and MM's involvement in the '00 election chaos should be looked into.

I'm also 'just asking' if it's possible MM had anything to do with 9/11? Look at how he has profited (money and fame) by this event. MM has increased his personal fortune since 9/11 more than about anyone else. MM has certainly profited from 9/11 more than Bush.

What was MM doing on 9/11? He certainly stayed away from the WTC that day. I wonder why?

Posted by: Chris Josephson at July 2, 2004 at 06:25 AM

Is Michael Moore hiding WMD so far up his ass that they can't be found without a welding torch? I'm just posing a question. An investigation may discover the truth.

Posted by: Ken Summers at July 2, 2004 at 06:30 AM

Ken, that kind of investigation would reveal more deadly toxins and noxious gasses than you could ever believe.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at July 2, 2004 at 06:37 AM

You're right. Precision bombing is way to go.

Posted by: Ken Summers at July 2, 2004 at 06:41 AM

whats that smell? ...like dead animal carcass, or Mike Moore's credibility.

Ghastly foul stench.

Posted by: Papertiger at July 2, 2004 at 06:50 AM

Or maybe's it's Bush's?

Posted by: thx-1138 at July 2, 2004 at 06:55 AM

Or maybe it's yours, th. (Oooh, indie-cred-flaunting allusions to George Lucas's first scifi movie in your nick, so radical. Yawn.)

Posted by: Andrea Harris at July 2, 2004 at 07:50 AM

By the way, I had a thought: just what would be so bad about an oil pipeline across Afghanistan? Assuming it's feasible, wouldn't a pipeline across the entire country be a boost to the economy in the area in the form of jobs maintaining and guarding the thing, and so on? And wouldn't that be a good thing? Or do all these oil-pipeline-haters want to keep the Afghans poor and stupid? Oh don't answer that last one, rhetorical question.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at July 2, 2004 at 07:54 AM

Andrea, for your information, I've been using that handle for since high school (10+ years ago), and it happens to be one of my favorite movies (up there with 1984 and Anthem, which I know are books, but deal with a similar theme). And, if you want to get specific, it is his first movie, everything before is a short. Or, if you disagree that shorts aren't "movies", then his first sci-fi movie is THX 1138:4EB. A subtle difference, but hey.

(Ooohhh, real-life cred by using your first and last name as your nick, so radical. Yawn.)

Posted by: thx-1138 at July 2, 2004 at 08:26 AM

BTW: Hope your mouth feels better. :)

Posted by: thx-1138 at July 2, 2004 at 08:28 AM

It's better, thanks. Now quit copying and posting other peoples' articles in the comments section. You may post an excerpt with a link, or in the case of articles from non-internet sources, an excerpt and the source of the article so we can look it up for ourselves if we so choose. If you're really confused about how to do this, observe how Tim does his posts. It's not that difficult.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at July 2, 2004 at 08:42 AM

Well, update -- I posted the above before you tried your little stunt. For that you've been banned. (For the mystified: clever scifi buff here decided to respond to my request that he not post other peoples' writings here by copying and pasting one of my blog posts. Ha ha! So funny!)

Posted by: Andrea Harris at July 2, 2004 at 08:55 AM

The oil pipeline was to supply Europe.

Posted by: Louis at July 2, 2004 at 09:35 AM

Dammit! If you keep banning these knuckleheads, how else will the rest of us stay sharp with our troll-stomping skills?

Guess I could always ask Al Gore to come over and mow my lawn...

Posted by: geezer at July 2, 2004 at 09:36 AM

I can't understand this collective Moorgasm. I watched the movie (thanks usenet) and was kind of disappointed. This movie might change someone's mind, but not a mind that has access to the counterarguments and the facts.

Posted by: Sean at July 2, 2004 at 10:28 AM

Don't worry, Sean! Michael Moore has a team of crack lawyers working around the clock to destroy counterarguments and facts! Money can buy you anything.

Posted by: Sortelli at July 2, 2004 at 10:45 AM

How does Moore square his insinuations with Bush's public support for an undersea pipeline in the Caspian that would have bypassed Afghanistan completely? Oh, wait, Moore never squares his insinuations...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 2, 2004 at 10:49 AM

Geezer: you gotta be quick! But I am sure funny guy will be back after he figures out how to get on with a different IP. Which I will ban.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at July 2, 2004 at 10:50 AM

Slighty OT: The reviews currently on the main page for "MM Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man" at Amazon are pure gold. Excerpts:

"Just the title, attack someone for being caucasian, overweight, and trying to imply that he's stupid..."

Yep, Mikey would never do such a thing, after all.

"...is a sad commentary on how these right wing authors are able to hoodwink uneducated individuals."

Mikey just hoodwinks the "educated" classes instead.

"It's amazing what some people will write and publish when they don't like a person."

Truly amazing indeed...can't wait to see that poster's condemnation of F9/11 on the same grounds.

"If the main stream press would put as much effort into unveiling the lies of President Bush as these authors put into slimming michael moore, we'd probably be watching an impeachment right now."

That doesn't even deserve a response beyond hysterical giggling at the notion that the press is too right-wing and giving Bush an undeserved pass.

Nice Freudian slip though..."slimming" Michael Moore?

Posted by: PW at July 2, 2004 at 11:47 AM

BTW, the same guy who bitches about the "big fat stupid white man" part of the title speaks favorably of Al Franken (of "Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot" 'fame') one paragraph before. You can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: PW at July 2, 2004 at 11:53 AM

Re the 9/11 - Michael Moore conspiracy ... really, who has benefitted more, financially, in stature, etc. than a certain downtrodden man-of-the-people filmmaker? CNN sez Fakenheit will be playing in twice as many theatres this weekend as last; expect more big box office numbers. I'm sure exploiting 9/11 will keep Moore and his descendants in Big Macs for generations to come!

I suggest investigating the Moore/bin Laden links. As Mikey himself has shown us, they don't have to make sense. Some Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon thing will do just fine.

Posted by: Crispytoast at July 2, 2004 at 01:09 PM

I was going to see F911 yesterday. I was going to see Spiderman and stay for F911 afterward. The Forum 30 had about 10 theaters fully dedicated to Spiderman. There was only one theater with two show times for F911. I didn't want to wait half an hour for the Spiderman that finished just before F911 started though. I guess I'll have to wait for it to come out on cable, or maybe CBS will run it right before the election.

I think all of Michael's audience might have rushed out to see it the first weekend.

Posted by: aaron at July 2, 2004 at 01:26 PM

Spiderman 2 was the far superior movie, and a brilliant tribute to the superhero myth. You've got Spiderman's quest to protect others versus J Jonah Jameson's desire to drag him down with slanted headlines and the "power of the press". After Spidey finally gives up in despair, the penny-pinching publisher brags about how he brought the "real" menance down. He regrets for a few seconds after everyone realizes there's no one to stop Doc Ock, of course.

That was close enough to Moore for me.

Posted by: Sortelli at July 2, 2004 at 03:16 PM

"I guess I'll have to wait for it to come out on cable, or maybe CBS will run it right before the election."

Or... (Don't worry, Mike said it's okay!)

Posted by: Jim Treacher at July 2, 2004 at 04:44 PM

MM can't be quite the darling of the left we all thought, if Newsweek is coming after him. Amazing they found his assertions egregious enough to mention and clarify.

Posted by: tree hugging sister at July 3, 2004 at 01:43 AM

So Mr Moore, stopped beating your wife yet?

Just asking, 's all.

Posted by: Syd Barret at July 3, 2004 at 04:16 AM

I suggest investigating the Moore/bin Laden links. As Mikey himself has shown us, they don't have to make sense. Some Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon thing will do just fine.

Does Hizb'allah have links to Al Qaeda?

Posted by: Andjam at July 3, 2004 at 04:56 AM