Tim Blair

...and because it ended up on her clothes

Clinton continued, "Even though this ordeal was long and hard, I could feel it was the seminal event of my presidency. I didn't want to blow it, but was willing to take it on the chin if I had to."

"Questioned by CBS News anchor Dan Rather, Clinton said he, his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and their daughter, Chelsea, dealt with their family crisis through counseling."

Said counseling coming from Jesse Jackson, mayhaps......?

Whoops! Forgot this link on Jesse.....

I was never one of the Clinton bashers. I hated the disgrace he brought to the White House and his office, but I equally hated hearing about it for months on end. Just like the Bush bashing is tiresome, so was the Clinton bashing.

However, I was amazed to read that Clinton takes pride in standing up to the people who wanted to impeach him. Talk about not living in the real world! Doesn't he realize that if he had kept his pants zipped up it never would have come to impeachment? He talks about weathering impeachment as if it's something to be proud of.

People I know who were not Clinton supporters, had stopped paying attention to the various investigations UNTIL 'zippergate'. All the other stuff he was being investigated for until 'zippergate', had dragged on for so long people were sick of hearing about it. There was not the political climate for impeachment until people believed Clinton had lied about his relationship with Monica.

Clinton's actions during 'zippergate' were what caused many people, even supporters, to view him with disgust. His political opponents sensed the change in public opinion and acted. He has only himself to blame. It's not something I would ever brag, or feel proud, about.

He has nothing to feel proud about. I don't understand how he can be so self deluding.

At least CLinton had the decemcy to remember that affairs of state must ALWAYS take precedence over affairs of state !
Shame on you all !!
It was NOT, as so many have shamefully suggested, to muster up feelings of sympathy towards his cuckolded wife, so she might one day become president !
And to those who say that Bill slept whilst AL Qaeda burned. That is a Lie! He was playing the Violin... oh sorry i meant Alto Sax.

Give a deserving intern "face time" and all hell breaks loose. Why shouldn't an attorney and POTUS be able to lie about sex in a sexual harassment suit? No biggie, at least to Democrat feminists, ambitious wife, and recipient Monica, who was never overwhelmed by the immensity of the situation.

And their logic is impeccable: who wouldn't lie about committing murder in a murder case?

Every person in jail for perjury must want to spit in Clinton's face because his impeachment was never about sex but always about lying under oath, which the media turned into impeachment over sex.

Now, he has the bad sense to say he wore his impeachment as a badge of honor because it was illegitimate? Lying under oath is illegitimate. Holding a perjurer to account is constitutional.

Clinto is worse than a liar, perjurer and sexual predator. He is also a murderer: He began a war against former Yugolavia simply to distract attention from his own disgrace. If the International Criminal court ever gets under way I hope he will be its first customer.

It must really piss off the right wing nutcases that Clinton was a more popular president than Reagan. Grow up.

Eh, felxirayman, Clinton was more popular than Reagan? Post evidence please.

Post evidence please

Highest approval rating recorded during presidency:

Clinton 71
Reagan 68

Average approval rating during term:

Clinton 55
Reagan 53

Approval ratings on leaving office:

Clinton 66
Reagan 51

All numbers according to Gallup.

To top it off, according to a 2003 CNN poll:

Only Abraham Lincoln (chosen by 15%) and John F. Kennedy (13%) finished ahead of Clinton (11%) in the April poll, which asked Americans who was "the greatest" president.

Reagan may have been popular but he doesn't come close to the level of adulation that the American people showed towards Clinton.

ALl those polls certainly show the americans are closet masochists.
look how they still love PAREE.

Let us suspend reality for a moment (for the sake of Felix's arguement) and agree that "Clinton is/was/ever-shall-be more popular than Reagan"..What I got from the polling samples that Felix lists is...... that Americans are idiots...I mean, 1.A.Lincoln, 2.J.Kennedy, 3.B.Clinton? In what crack house did the pollsters find this crowd?

Clinton profits from the fact that he's the most recent ex-President and thus still remembered best by most people. Ask the "who was the greatest president" question again in 30 years, and I seriously doubt he'd be third. I actually doubt he'd even crack the top 10.

"Reagan may have been popular but he doesn't come close to the level of adulation that the American people showed towards Clinton"

i guess it depends on your measureing device:

in 1984 reagan was re-elected with 54,455,000 votes

in 1996 clinton was re-elected with 47,402,357 votes

ronnie sure seems at lot more popular

Who was it that said "Lies, damned lies, and statistics!"? Winston Churchill or Mark Twain?

felixrayman, most random surveys have an error of +/- 3-5%, so in that light, those numbers put Clinton and Reagan neck and neck.

On the other hand, when were those surveys taken? At the same time? Or when each person left office? This makes a difference....because if they come from two separate surveys 10 years or more apart, you are comparing apples and oranges. Not valid.

Then we can look at Mr. Bingley's numbers and come up with a different answer than yours.

Or we can look at the thousands of people who patiently lined up for hours to pay their last respects to Reagan, and wonder if people can change their minds. Or if surveys aren't always accurate.

The final test for comparing their popularity is to do a head count at Clinton's funeral. But that's in the future (he's healthy, from what I hear), and thus not applicable to this discussion.

Real,

I always thought is was British Prime Minister Disreali that made that quote famous.

There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies and statistics. ~Benjamin Disraeli, commonly misattributed to Mark Twain because he quotes Disraeli in Autobiography

A score for joe!

Like Monica, Bill knew he had to suck it up, for if he didn't the mess could destroy not only the blue dress but also his presidency.

The funny thing is that Monica WANTED to swallow the evidence but Bill felt that was just too intimate an act. To this day I have more respect for her than for him.

Is it a good thing or a bad thing that Clinton comes out in support of Bush with regards to Iraq? I wonder whether the media will bother mentioning it?

Bill Clinton's Very Personal Reflections
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 17, 2004


..Clinton's book, titled "My Life," hits bookstores Tuesday, and the excerpts released by CBS also deal with policy issues during his eight-year tenure.

Clinton's greatest accomplishment, in his opinion, was the creation of 22 million jobs. "I kept score, how many people's lives were better off," he said.

The former president also cited the 1999 war in the Balkans that toppled Slobodan Milosevic. "The day that Kosovar war ended and I knew Milosevic's days were numbered was a great day. I had a lot of great days," he said.

The interview also covered the war in Iraq, which was not mentioned in yesterday's excerpts. Rather said Clinton was "supportive" of President Bush on Iraq and that "it will surprise some people."

Clinton took sharp exception to criticism that he had not done enough to combat terrorism while in office, Rather recalled. "On the accusation that he had opportunities to get Osama bin Laden, had opportunities to have him delivered by the Sudanese, he said, 'absolutely, flatly untrue,' describing it as 'bull.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47877-2004Jun16.html?nav=rss_politics