April 27, 2004


Iraqi communist Salam Ali -- no fan of coalition occupation, to say the least -- nonetheless rejects the Pilger/Fisk/Moore notion of a "national resistance":

He addresses the nature of violent forces in Iraq other than Sadr's militia: "Yes, there is a patriotic element, we fully understand that. But, on the other hand, there are forces carrying out sabotage simply to destabilise the situation and to maintain the privileged position that they had before.

"There are remnants of the old regime. The dictatorship at the time had a sophisticated system of repression. They didn't just vanish," says Ali.

"They carry out operations in return for money paid by leading figures of the old regime, as well as tribal elements. Certain stratas thrived under the sanctions through the smuggling of oil."

Ali has strong words for those on the left here who have hailed the current upsurge in violence as a sign of a "national resistance."

"What is the agenda of these political groups?" he asks. "What alternative are they putting forward for Iraq and the region as a whole apart from violence and destabilisation and turning Iraq into a battlefield to fight their own wars against America?

"Anybody can go to Baghdad and they can detect straight away that the people simply are not part of it. They've had enough wars and killing.

"These people who are advocating support for ‘national resistance’ have to convince us - how will this in any way advance the causes of peace, democracy and social progress?"

It won't. But that's not their aim.

(Via Jim Nolan)

Posted by Tim Blair at April 27, 2004 04:46 AM

I understand what Ali is trying to say but surely there is a way to avoid this prolixity.

What about?

"We have just received confirmation that the problems being experienced in Iraq are not as a result of a national resisitence. As conclusive proof thereof, we confirm that Fisk/Pilger?Moore claim that it is."

Posted by: traps at April 27, 2004 at 06:13 AM

Amazing. A bona fide communist tells a group of western left wingers, so-called friends of the working class, stout pillars of socialism, that they're wrong about some parts of the Iraq problems.

My God, the world has changed!

Posted by: JeffS at April 27, 2004 at 06:16 AM

This just can't be allowed to get out, Mr. Moore has quite a lot of money riding on his positions and praise for the "Minutemen" of Iraq. He'll have to find some way to ignore this or dismiss Mr. Ali as a CIA agent or misguided brown person. . .

Posted by: Sortelli at April 27, 2004 at 09:44 AM

Moore will probably ask what sort of cuisine "communism" is.

Posted by: JeffS at April 27, 2004 at 10:01 AM

Read the whole thing and then reread it. Ali is a player, and IMHO his article is a plan for ejecting the US forces from Iraq and establishing a communist dictatorship there. He correctly chastens the Western leftists for "blowing their wad" so to speak, for making common cause with insurgents who would make the implementation of communist domination more difficult than the Americans alone. The proper role of American leftists is to support the Americans long enough to finish off the insurgents and then call for their ouster.

Did anyone really believe the ICP spokesman when he was speaking of social progress and democracy?

Posted by: Buzz at April 27, 2004 at 11:19 AM

An Iraqi communist. Good god, do those poor bastards go _looking_ for problems?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at April 27, 2004 at 11:31 AM

Yeah, I remember the ICP hamming it up for the cameras the day Saddam was captured. Someone commented that "even the commies were happy".

Still, Ali's point is pretty clear. I don't like the kind of Iraq he'd want to build, but he sure as hell gives lie to the Minutemen Story that his foreign comrades are trying to sell.

Posted by: Sortelli at April 27, 2004 at 11:40 AM

No, I got Ali's point the first time around. He's a hard core commie.

It's just that I remember back in the Good Ol' Days (TM), All Commies Were United Against The Common Enemy (also TM). I don't ever recall anyone in the socialist spectrum ever saying anything bad about a comrade. Politically, anyway.

To hear any communist tell a "comrade" (in spirit if not in fact) to shut up is most unusual.

I think Ali is wrong. Oh, yes, I do! But this is the equivalent of the vipers fanging each other.

Posted by: JeffS at April 27, 2004 at 11:50 AM

And furthermore, ICP is the worst band EVER.

Wait, are we talking about Insane Clown Posse or something else?

Posted by: Sortelli at April 27, 2004 at 02:02 PM

I agree with keith locke and alex davidson on this
one the occupation of imperial forces in the peace loving country of iraq is wrong,and this current commo from iraq is telling the truth.
why is it so hard for you all to grasp that hammus and osama and iraq and syria are societies
we envy and hope to prosper like in the very near future.One man who I hope will be our first islamic prime minister is in jail a man of peace like osama and hammus because keith locke told me.

Posted by: tim tam at April 27, 2004 at 07:35 PM

Tim Tam:

Well, first of all, this is not an "imperialist" occupation. If it were, would we trying to set up an independent and stable government? Hint: who is causing the instability?

Second of all, the people of Iraq are (mostly) peace loving. It was Saddam Hussein that was thrown out. Or do you equate mass murder with peace and love?

Third, on why is it so hard for you all to grasp that hammus and osama and iraq and syria are societies we envy and hope to prosper like in the very near future.

a. Iraq and Syria are societies. We accept that. No one has ever said otherwise. But Iraq under Saddam was a sick society (see point #2 above). Syria is at least pretending to be healthy.

b. hammus [sic] I've never heard of. If you mean Hamas, the self-proclaimed Palestinian terrorist organization, please note that they use children as homicide bombers (to kill other children, pathetically enough). If you consider Hamas to be a society, I'd hate to live in your house.

c. Osama is a person, and can't be a society unto himself. Unless you are part of a bacterial infection in his nether regions.

d. If you envy the lifestyle of the Middle East -- move there. Don't force your worldview on others.

The point in this thread is not that Communism and/or Islam shall rule the world (Allah forbid!), but that a known Iraqi Communist has told your western comrades and fellow Islamofascist worshippers to be part of the solution or get out of the way. This is amazing beyond words.

And if keith locke [sic] can tell you about who shall rule the world, ask him about proper spelling and punctuation.

Posted by: JeffS at April 28, 2004 at 01:57 AM

Does the process of getting berated by one's own comrades officially turn useful idiots into useless idiots?

Posted by: PW at April 28, 2004 at 03:08 AM

PW, the commies first formally acknowledged the existance of useful idiots. They ought to be subject matter experts on useless idiots.

Posted by: JeffS at April 28, 2004 at 03:31 AM

I think Tim Tam meant to refer to "hummus," which as we all know is a nefarious Zionist plot to get everyone in the Middle East to eat too many chickpeas and weaken their vital bodily fluids....

Posted by: Daniel Calto at April 28, 2004 at 04:14 AM

Ali's just thinking outside the box. Usually the commies wait until _after_ they've gained power to slit each other's throats.

Seriously, he's smart. He doesn't want his woolly-headed Western comrades to interfere with the Coalition's extermination of what would be his biggest rivals, the Islamo-fascists. Once they're neutralized, you can bet he'll be screaming "imperialism!" and directing his own insurgent cadres.

Posted by: Dave S. at April 28, 2004 at 06:19 AM

I cant believe you took what I said seriously
I am a right-wing death merchant who is feed up with alex davidson and keith locke,I think all tertiary institutions should be privatised and less taxes you are a fool if you thought I was for real did you not sense the piss take in my
comments or are you to fucked up to understand

Posted by: timtam at April 28, 2004 at 08:26 PM