January 11, 2004

SILK ROAD

Egyptian Ibrahim Nawar, head of the Board of Management of Arab Press Freedom Watch, defends axed BBC host Robert Kilroy-Silk:

I fully support Robert Kilroy-Silk and salute him as an advocate of freedom of expression. I would like to voice my solidarity with him and with all those who face the censorship of such a basic human right.

I agree with much of what he says about Arab regimes. There is a very long history of oppression in the Arab world, particularly in the states he mentions: Iran, Iraq, Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, as well as in Sudan and Tunisia.

I condemn the decision to axe his programme and call for the BBC to reinstate him forthwith. Indeed, the treatment of Mr Kilroy-Silk is very worrying because it indicates that censorship is now taking place in liberal, Western countries like the United Kingdom. These countries should instead be setting an example to the oppressive Arab regimes that violate freedom of expression on a daily basis.

Nawar also agrees with Kilroy-Silk's views on Arab oppression of women, pointing out that “women in Saudi Arabia even have to struggle for the right to walk unaccompanied in the street or to drive a car.” On that last point, science may one day prove that Arab women can, in fact, control an automobile:

“The prohibition of women driving is not an established religious rule,” Al-Qarni said. “If a woman is given the choice between driving a car herself or being alone in a car with a stranger, then I would choose that she drive herself,” he added. The scholar, however, does not want to give the impression that he necessarily believes that women should drive. “I personally will not allow my wife or daughters or sisters to drive. But I tell my brothers to keep the matter open for debate by a responsible scientific body,” he said. “We have to address all issues, including women driving, in a wise and rational manner,” he added.

(Via contributor J. F. Beck)

UPDATE. The BBC hasn’t axed this geezer:

Tom Paulin, the poet and Oxford don, has continued to be a regular contributor to BBC2's Newsnight Review arts programme, despite being quoted in an Egyptian newspaper as saying that Jews living in the Israeli-occupied territories were "Nazis" who should be "shot dead".

(Via Scott Burgess)

Posted by Tim Blair at January 11, 2004 02:47 PM
Comments

Hey, Tim, whaddya say we get my 4x4 and go do some doughnuts on that asshat?

Posted by: Venomous Kate at January 11, 2004 at 03:15 PM

Only if we can do so in a wise and rational manner, Kate.

Posted by: tim at January 11, 2004 at 03:24 PM

Ladies, ladies . . . please just don't wear your burqas and your veils while you're driving

Posted by: Lewis at January 11, 2004 at 03:30 PM

Now I myself am moderate, but I don't believe that women should be allowed to drive, I mean - have you seen them try to reverse park...

Posted by: Harry Tuttle at January 11, 2004 at 04:23 PM

What sorta cars do they have in the middle east anyway?

Posted by: Quentin George at January 11, 2004 at 04:32 PM

I've seen women reverse park. They do just fine, Harry.

Posted by: Fred Boness at January 11, 2004 at 04:42 PM

Isn't it hilarious that the anti-coalition forces are lined up with these medieval boneheads.

Posted by: slatts at January 11, 2004 at 04:55 PM

"Arab science." When was the last time you heard that expression?

Posted by: Amos at January 11, 2004 at 04:59 PM

In the early nineties a group of Saudi women took their husbands' cars and drove them around the centre of Riyadh. The "uprising" was quickly put down.

While they are not allowed to drive, the clerics allow them to travel in a taxi although it is of course, driven by a stranger. If this were inconvenient, mum would sometimes co-opt one of her young sons to drive dad's Buick to and from the supermarket. I have seen lads of ten or so doing just that.

As for science showing that women can drive, it surely won't be Arab science. I cannot think of any inventions, discoveries or advances in fields such as medicine, science or engineering over the last 100 years or so, that can be credited to Arabs. Which is hardly surprising, as their religion insists on ignoring 50% of its followers' brainpower.

Posted by: H R T at January 11, 2004 at 05:39 PM

“We have to address all issues, including women driving, in a wise and rational manner,” he added.

And we will stone you if you disagree with the Iman.

Posted by: perfectsense at January 11, 2004 at 06:04 PM

As usual, only silence coming from the Margoyles over this "crushing" of Kilroy-Silk's "dissent".

It's only censorship when someone disagrees with something the left believes.

Posted by: The Mongrel at January 11, 2004 at 06:05 PM

Talking of Muslims in the west complaining, I was checking out Amir Butler's blog, and it believed (links Saddamized) the story about Saddam a porn star actor.

Posted by: Andjam at January 11, 2004 at 06:10 PM

Good for Nawar. I'm very pleased to see sanity in the ongoing debate.

Posted by: John Nowak at January 11, 2004 at 06:47 PM

I cannot think of any inventions, discoveries or advances in fields such as medicine, science or engineering over the last 100 years or so, that can be credited to Arabs

What, baby doll nighties for goats don't count?

Posted by: superboot at January 11, 2004 at 06:51 PM

Kilroy shouldn't be bothered by losing his show. He's better than that anyway. It's rubbish. Remember Trisha Goddard from the 7.30 Report and Play School? She's got the same sort of show on ITV and it's lousy too.

Posted by: Alex at January 11, 2004 at 07:07 PM

"I cannot think of any inventions, discoveries or advances in fields such as medicine, science or engineering over the last 100 years or so, that can be credited to Arabs. "

Nor can I. But the supporters of suppression of speech are citing centuries-old examples of Arab science to attack Kilroy-Silk's statements.

Trouble is, this kind of attack is based on a careless reading of his column, as pointed out here:

But What Have They Done For Us Lately?

Posted by: The Tapir at January 11, 2004 at 09:05 PM

But What Have They Done For Us Lately?

Reminds me of the "Life of Brian" "And what have they ever given us in return?" sketch.

Posted by: Andjam at January 11, 2004 at 09:33 PM

I've seen women reverse park.

Like to watch, do you, Fred?

Posted by: R C Dean at January 11, 2004 at 10:38 PM

the whole Kilroy thing has been so unfairly dealt with by the BBC its sickning,I'm one of the poor bastards that have to pay these people for my t.v license and it makes me sick,thier double standards are truly breath taking and as for the Tom Paulin thing well words just cannot describe my Hatred and anger toward the BBC for this.

Posted by: Jon Shep at January 12, 2004 at 12:19 AM

They invented the electric prayer rug! Bow to Allah properly, or get zapped!

Posted by: Tatterdemalian at January 12, 2004 at 12:40 AM

Tim - "On that last point, science may one day prove that Arab women can, in fact, control an automobile." Al-Jazeera isn't science and I thought they were more likely to try to prove the earth is flat but they ran this story about a 20 year old Saudi women who can do more than control an automobile. "Saudi Arabian women riding a car detained after exchange of fire with police" She had escaped from the family compound, disguised herself by wearing a male uniform, drove away at very high speed and opened fire on security men giving chase. She finally lucked out but then had the good sense to collide with the Gate of King Khaled hospital in Tabbouk. No doubt she is now helping the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice with their enquiries.


Posted by: Softly at January 12, 2004 at 12:43 AM

Here's the link to the Tom Paulin article, in Al-Ahram Weekly (Cairo), 4 -10 April 2002:

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/580/cu2.htm

Scroll to the bottom to see the "should be shot dead" bit, which is right under the part that says:

"I can understand how suicide bombers feel"

Posted by: Scott Burgess (The Daily Ablution) at January 12, 2004 at 01:26 AM

Come on people. It is not only advances in technology or science which define a culture and a civilisation. What about the novels, the films, the art, the political analysis that make the Arab world such a major contributor to... umm..to.. umm I'll start again.

Posted by: matthew at January 12, 2004 at 03:01 AM

No surprise there. BBC is an affiliate of Al-Jazeera and has its own Arabic news service which is far more anti-semitic than there English service.

Why should they worry about their anti-Israel bias when it appeals to such a large share of their audience.

[/sarcasm]
The BBC isn't worried about inciting the hundreds of millions of seething Jews. The zionist street will rise up in anger.
[/sarcasm off]

Posted by: Jono at January 12, 2004 at 10:08 AM

Nawar is brave, but I bet a "religion of peace" follower will try to execute him soon.

Posted by: eric at January 12, 2004 at 02:44 PM

What galls me is ihave got to pay a licence. for the upkeep of a bias rabid p c left wing BBC THAT PLAY GOD AGAINST THE MAJORITYS WISHES just like this crap lunitic p c guv that go against their own voters on law and order and illigal immigrants .

Posted by: HENRY at January 14, 2004 at 01:02 AM

What galls me is ihave got to pay a licence. for the upkeep of a bias rabid p c left wing BBC THAT PLAY GOD AGAINST THE MAJORITYS WISHES just like this crap lunitic p c guv that go against their own voters on law and order and illigal immigrants .

Posted by: Harrymorris at January 14, 2004 at 01:04 AM