Tim Blair

Tim, is it true that the "the Age is little more than a privatised propaganda service for conservative, and indeed neo-con, interests"? Roy Slate says it is.

Roy Slate is a deeply troubled man, Dylan.

The best quote from the article:

"Moore regards consistency as the hobgoblin of little minds."

Hobgoblin. Hee hee hee. It's a word we don't use nearly enough. Try to use it in a sentence today.

The best quote from The Age:

"...it just may turn out that (Moore) will inadvertently help President G. W. Bush to a second term in office.

Do you believe Michael Moore? Does he do more harm than good?"

The implication being that helping President Bush win a second term constitutes "doing harm."

I suspect that The Age may not, in fact, be a privatised propaganda service for conservative, and indeed neo-con, interests!

The Age privatised? Give it back to the public at once, nasty Fairfax board.

Major props to the author of the Ogram letter. My own submission seems a small and pathetic thing besides.

Unfortunately, it seems to be that the discussion at the Age website seems to be convincing more people that Moore is noble and honest and that people like us are scheming liars, rather than the other way around.

Ogram's letter is a work of art. I admire a mind that is able to grasp the complex ideas (heh!) of Michael Moore and write with such beauty.

Ogram N'otsgnik = Margo Kingston backwards.

Token, you can't help the determinedly stupid. A few wankers on that site claim that MM's load of shit is good as it creates greater political discussion. Crap.

Strong political discourse has never been absent from mainstream society, it is just that some mushrooms (keep themselves in the dark and feed on bullshit)are finally taking notice. They see their pathetic Avatar of paranoia and lies being rightfully corrected and feel the need to pipe up with their own brand of dumb.

I love the idea of Dubya and Rove laughing at Moore when they meet him. "Thanks for the boost at the midterms, fatty, ha ha ha!"

Then Dubya could grab him in a headlock (he works out) and he and Rove could push him into the girl's toilets.

I hope you're right, Jake, and that their minds were made up well before today and that no amount of proof can change that. I know that's a strage thing to say, but it's sure better than the alternative.

You RWDBs have no cause for complaint. You've got hundreds of people in positions of power willing to lie, lie, lie to get their wicked way, but we've only got Michael Moore.

And maybe he is a little selective in what he says, maybe he even manufactures situations. Maybe he even fibs. But that's OK. We know this because you've told us so for years. The end justifies the means.

I say keep it up, guys. Keep up increasing Moore's profile with your hysterical splutterings. The more you do it, the more his message gets out.

Go for it.

Perhaps I spoke too soon. Some of the more recent entries I'm seeing on the Age site are particularly scathing to Moore. If this trend keeps up, I can die a happy man (even though I'm only 20 and in good health).

Oops, I posted my last comment under my MooreWatch name (TribeHasSpoken). Sorry about that.

So who is Ogram N'otsgnik? Is it you Tim, or perhaps Professor Bunyip?

Nemesis:

Moore's singleminded pursuit of notoriety far outstrips our poor efforts to increase his profile. Me, I enjoy imagining his reactions as he reads our comments: his blood pressure rising, his eyes bulging from his skull.

I eagerly await the day that he has an apoplectic fit and his brains come shooting out of his ears.

How long does it take for a comment to turn up? I posted a while ago, and I still can't see it. :(

Your anagrams are showing, Doctor. "Ogram N'otsgnik" -- "Margo Kingston".

I suppose you'll tell me that I should "fly away" now...."fly, fly, fly".

I'll give Margo SOME credit, though. She's not quite crazy enough to post something like that.

Oh, Lord, I wish people hadn't reacted badly to Ogram's letter. It would have been the perfect letter-pages coup. Ah, well, there's thick'uns on every side of an issue.

God save the large precious objects!

Er nemesis, you don't seem to grasp the fact that we want to see Moore's profile increased. He is so repellent that he turns peole away from the causes he espouses.

PS. Do I get credit for resisting the urge to make a fat joke in relation to Moore's profile increasing.

No, Ross, afraid not. The fact that you thought of the Fat Joke means that you have sinned in your heart.

The funny thing is that the Ogram Notsgnik post is being taken seriously by many people. I must confess, I wasn't sure myself until I saw the name. It really goes to show how crazy the Left have become that satire and sincerity are a hair's breadth apart.

"I eagerly await the day that he has an apoplectic fit and his brains come shooting out of his ears."

Alice, Alice, Alice, surely you know that MM hasn't got enough brain cells in there for them to come out of BOTH ears...

Ha! Now I remember where I saw the octopus singing the swan song.

I bet nearly everything in Ogram's letter is some jokey-ass thing...get going, ya googlin' gits!

Nemesis wrote 'You RWDBs have no cause for complaint. You've got hundreds of people in positions of power willing to lie, lie, lie to get their wicked way, but we've only got Michael Moore.'

Nemesis, you've got a lot more than Moore on your side. Check out the top news sites on the net. Outlets sympathetic to the Left and Moore predominate including NYT and the BBC in the top five. See Nemesis - you have powerful and influential friends in the media. Even our dreadful SMH and Age are in the top fifty.

At least we agree Moore is a big fat liar. In that order.

Alice-

You are wrong. Moore doesn't believe any of what he writes. At least not most of it. He now tramples the poor just like every other capitalist pig. Our complaints on him just give him the opportunity to sell more books. I figure he is laughing all the way to the bank. Now I think his general sympathies are consistent with the political persona he writes with - but I believe he just looks for ways to appear way out there inorder to plug his next commercial endeavor. Most in the US think he is an idiot, but he has a substantial number of people who will listen to him. Enough to make a commercial enterprise of Moore. Hell, I'm not sure where Nemisis is from but I imagine Moore has his international friends as well.
You all know the international crowd, that hates America but always worries when we decide to leave their own heavy lifting to them. The country that allows Moore and Nemisis to exist. The country that despite its flaws is man's best effort at establishing a political system that guarentees life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Not a guarentee, just the pursuit.

Tim: Here's what I posted...silly satire of pomo rant,but it didn't show up (yet?)@ the Age's website.

"Everybody lock your doors, get a gun, protect yourself! Michael Moore is planning to oppress, segregate, and punish others! Wait! Before you dismiss me as abusive, hear me out.

I will not quibble with him as to whether or not the grossly fallacious reasoning behind his nostrums can be confirmed by some simple fact-checking. Instead, I'll simply state that there is considerable evidence to show that Moore is serious about wanting to force onto us the degradation and ignominy that he is known to revel in and leave it at that. I can defend each and every point I've made so far. If you doubt this, just ask around.

It seems to me that, as others have stated long before me, "he has been working overtime to create a global workers plantation overseen by transnational corporations who have no more concern for the human rights of those who produce their products or services than Moore has for his emissaries." His method (or school, or ideology -- it is hard to know exactly what to call it) goes by the name of "Moore-ism". It is a counter-productive and avowedly oppressive philosophy that aims to blend together unilateralism and ethnocentrism in a train wreck of monumental proportions. When he was first found trying to acquire power and use it to indoctrinate truculent, choleric lounge lizards, I was scared. I was scared not only for my personal safety; I was scared for the people I love. And now that Moore is planning to ignore compromise and focus solely on his personal agenda, I'm downright terrified. That's our situation today, in very rough outline. Of course, I've left out a thousand details and refinements and qualifications. I've not mentioned that faced by such despicable perfidy and the frustration of not being able to respond to the same audiences as Michael Moore has had, I, not being one of the many barbaric ideologues of this world, must honestly turn his prissy, supercilious actions to our advantage. And I've ignored fascism altogether. I've simply pointed out one key fact: I, not being one of the many headlong dorks of this world, don't trust horny ogres.

Re: Ogram N'otsgnik

Forget Margot. This reads exactly like a Richard Neville essay. It's uncanny.

Dave, they took out my reference to MM being similar to a sack of shit. That's censorship, that is! Bloody oppressors! hmmmmm is this what a lefty wanker feels like all the time?

Off topic for a sec:

Hi Tex, nice new bike but shame about the colour. Have you read the ride report in AMCN by Boris recently? If you come down to Melb make it known in advance so we can get a ride organised.

that michael moore fellow is VERY overweight.

The really astonishing line from Ogram N'otsgnik is;

"patriarchal power structure and its Zionist puppetmasters..."

What a thinker. They even think the zionist cabal runs everything. Unbelievable.

Dude, Wilbur, the Ogram letter is a total joke. Stop ruining my vodka-coke buzz. Damn.

Did you know that every rocket that takes off from Cape Canavaral kills 73 seabirds (on average)

The other white meat.

Loved the last paragraph:

Indeed, the more vigorously Moore attacks the President, the better Bush's approval ratings. Funny, that. And Moore's lifestyle has been awfully lavish of late. One doesn't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it makes you think, doesn't it?

Forget it, they taste like fish.

heh, i couldn't resist posting a 'back to the future' quote, but they haven't put it up on the site.

"he's an idiot. comes from upbringing; parents are probably idiots too."

Had a pretty good laugh at this:

"Even now, as Uncle Sam's jackboot grinds free speech to a bloody pulp in his own homeland and democracy withers under direct orders from Washington in Australia, the grasping octopus of American imperialist adventurism is no closer to singing its swan song."

WHY - OH WHY - Do people who write and believe this crap fail to realize that if it were true, the Michael Moores and the Chomskys could not speak, write, and publish as they do?!!

The poor darling 'elites' in the US are having one of the roughest times they've had for quite some time and they aren't taking it too well. Many people are laughing at them and calling their 'theories' and 'documentaries' crap.

Folks like Moore and Chomsky are used to the vacant heads of their worshippers who nod in agreement and ask their gods for more. They aren't used to so many people poking holes in their arguments and/or showing them up as frauds and hypocrites. They don't like being the butt of so many jokes.

Because all are not their devoted followers and many dare to criticize and poke fun, they believe free speech has been outlawed. They usually claim this while speaking publicly somewhere... no cops, no arrests, they just say their speech and go home. (It's not that hard to see the humor here.)

I know I'm only an 'ignorant, arrogant, red-necked, cowboy-type yank', but it seems to me that Australian Democracy is alive and healthy.
If someone could point out to this colonial how democracy in Australia is 'withering', I'd appreciate it. Australians vote. Have a free press. Have a great Prime Minister who has balls and won't take sh** from anyone (I like him). WHERE IS THE WITHER?

I wish the Moores and the Chomskys would pick a country they feel is worthy of them and MOVE THERE. Some of their followers sing the praises of Cuba. Perhaps they should move to that island paradise. I've read their educational and health systems are vastly superior to the US'. It would be a perfect opportunity to practice what they preach.

(Mike and Noam: Don't let the door hit your a**es on the way out. Have a nice life with Papa Castro! Take as many of your worshippers as you can with you.)

Oh, please, stop thinking that the Ogram letter is real. For fuck's sake, cease.

Sorry for the double-post, just HAD to mention the 73 sea birds that are killed with each launch.

I live near the sea. I hate sea birds. Annoying as pigeons. I actually wish MORE were killed during takeoff. Who cares about frikin' sea birds?

I'm annoyed that the US taxpayers (like me) are still footing a lot of the bill for these missions. I'm all for space exploration, but why can't we team up with private industry more and let them pay more of the cost? Or, have more joint missions with other countries where each country pays X%?

I'm sure if the smart folks at NASA thought about it, they could come up with some creative partnerships.

I *must say* I am impressed at how they did the landing with the parachutes and the balloons. Nice thinking 'outside the box', guys!!

the ogram post is gold! the 'use the brains' quote gave you away tho tim. all in all a stellar bit of work!

Not me, Roscoe! It's a rogue Ogram at work.

When are all these people whose free speech rights are being suppressed gonna finally SHUT THE F*** UP?!?

The one thing I hate worse than a whiner is a suppressed/oppressed whiner!

(Sorry about the grammer, but it's 4am here)

"You've got hundreds of people in positions of power willing to lie, lie, lie to get their wicked way, but we've only got Michael Moore."

You've only got Michael Moore??? Thats a bunch of horse shit Nem and you know it. Your 'side' is utterly saturated with people willing to either straight out lie or obfuscate the facts. (Moore's specialty)

Bill Clinton, Jason Blair, Andrew Gilligan, Carmen Lawrence, Maureen Dowd, John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, George Galloway, Marc Herold,Robert Fisk, Phlop Adams, Hugh Mackay, Robert Manne, Margo Kingston, Richard Neville, Tony Kevin, George Monbiot, vast sections of the world media (remember the daily and devastating "setbacks" the Americans supposedly suffered during Iraq 2!!), The anti-semite revisionists, The Australian history revisionists, Andrew Wilke etc etc....

Like I said, some of these people are straight out liars, others hide facts that don't suit them, some - Margo is a good example - use other peoples statements (over and over and over and over agian) to promote a particular issue and then sweetly and innocently claim not to neccessarily agree with those statements when someone like Geoff Honnor gets to close for comfort)
but a common thread is dishonesty and its there in abundance on both 'sides'.

I like the way doing "more harm than good" means helping Bush rather than fighting him, the Age just assume that's the way it is...

Having studied zoology at the University of Florida, I'd sure like to see the publication that talks about nervous conditions in manatees. A classmate and friend studied them for three years, and among all the problems they face, she never mentioned this. I'm not even sure how one wold notice a "nervous condition" in this slow, rather expressionless (although damned cute, I'll add) animal. I'm also not sure -- if one did find such a condition -- how you could link it to rocket launches, since (a) these animals swim all along the coastline, and (b) how do you know which ones were at the Cape during launches and which just swam in the other day. Moreover, since manatees have learned to hang around certain man-made warm areas in the winter (like the warm water from nuclear plants), it would seem to me that any stimulus so strong it could create a "nervous condition" would also create an avoidance behavior and that these animals would have been avoiding the Cape since the 1960s.

Oh well, lies written in support of a liar ... nothing new.

Well I picked you as the author Tim and I was wrong. Maybe it was Bikko.

Hi Tex, nice new bike but shame about the colour. Have you read the ride report in AMCN by Boris recently? If you come down to Melb make it known in advance so we can get a ride organised.

I've ridden the Speed Triple. The z1000 shits on it. Better handling, comfort, stability, looks and more power.

Dunno if I'll ever ride to Melb (usually fly), thanks to the Bracks Traffic Gestapo handing out the death penalty for going 2kph over the limit.

Some folks seem to be taking "Ogram" as the straight stuff.

Hmmm, this is worrisome. Could Michael Moore's brain and spinal cord be contagious? Have we ingested noxious prions from him through the ether?

St Vitus save us from the madness!

WOO-HOO!

Tex finally bought a bike, and I mildly approve of the choice. One week into 2004 and one of my predictions has already come to pass.

Oh, yeah, and Michael Moore is really fat.

Manatees: The other white meat.

Ogram forgot to mention lunch. In a Michael Moore post. Ironic, that.

I'll take a Big Mac with a side of blood pudding, some barbecued shorebird, and a large chocolate shake.

Nofixedabode writes:

When are all these people whose free speech rights are being suppressed gonna finally SHUT THE F*** UP?!?

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What about us manatees? Not only do we have those damn noisy rockets making us nervous, but people keep mistaking us for Michael Moore having a swim.

A bit OT.

Amos, OMG! You are so funny! And this is not the first time.

I can't stop laughing at the thought of W. and Rove shoving Fatty into the girl's toilet.

Thanks.

"Dude, Wilbur, the Ogram letter is a total joke. Stop ruining my vodka-coke buzz. Damn.

Posted by: Dylan at January 8, 2004 at 03:29 PM"

Ooooops! That'll teach me to read things when I'm half asleep.....

I hear manatees love to eat seabirds. When they can catch them.

Seriously,:
"They shot Martin Luther King and John Lennon in America. How long can it be before this large precious object is martyred..."

Large? Har. Precious? Yeah right.
How long before he's 'martyred'? The sooner the better.

Tell `The Age' M.M. is witty and perceptive in his eyes only.To me, he is merely a a loud- mouthed vulgar leftoid fat man.

It's a shame that the author of that piece didn't know that there is also a tiny Israeli flag on board Spirit:

(Via Damian Penny)

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/rover/columbia-browse.jpg

Mars is red with the blood of workers?

What planet does she live on?

Oh, I am splitting a gut. Ogram's letter would be hard to beat by any of the best comic writers. Thanks for making my day.

What the hell is a Manatee?

OT again: Tex, well only another 3 YEARS of Gestapo Bracks and Co. Not being the biggest fan of orange I'd still go with the savings over colour any day. Still a very nice bike.

Any plans to add comments to whackingday? That way I can stop OT posts on Timbo's site.

Moore's a Hollywood persona at this point. He has an agent and a publicist and his team strategizes on how best to advance their careers and bank balances. If Moore were really interested in the political tripe he spouts, we'd see him running for office, or at least trying to get people to float his name (see: Baldwin, Alec and Robbins, Tim). Moore is an entertainer, admittedly one with an eye for the absurd. He and P.J. O'Rourke have some of the same DNA, I think -- just watch Roger and Me. Moore tees off on Republicans and Conservatives more than liberals because Hollywood money prefers it that way, and also because some business, foreign policy, and political decisions are easy to frame in populist-outrage terms. Spotlighting out-of-work auto workers is easy; making the general decline of a global corporation entertaining is not. In any case, Moore is an actor playing a role, and woe to the deluded lefties who see in him some kind of kindred spirit.

OT posts should be encouraged. Imagine 66 posts solely about Michael Moore!

Too bad there isn't an "s" in "Margo." Then it could've been "Orgasm N'Otsgnik" which sounds better.

"Any plans to add comments to whackingday?"

No, I'd be reading crap from Niall and Michael "I'm scared of kikes" Talismann all day

"That way I can stop OT posts on Timbo's site."

Blair shall be punished for his shameful mockery of my car choices

Jake D.,

A manatee is basically a large speed bump for motorboats in Florida...

NASA kills 73 seabirds per launch? FUCKN NO-HOPERS!!

I'm gonna have to take some of them NASA boys down the Gippsland Lakes with a 20 gauge shottie, a cuppla boxes of ammo and a 4 litre cask of Penfolds muscat. Oh, and Nemesis better come along. He can learn about the joy to be had from pointless drunken acts of wildlife-bashing barbarity. That's useful knowledge, no?