September 08, 2003


Paul Sheehan proposes an Australian version of Godwin’s Law:

If Godwin's Law was applied to Australian public life, a magnitude of myths and fabrications would be swept from the national stage. The first to fall would be the accusation that genocide was committed in Australia this century, a claim shredded in the courts.

The greatest confabulation to suffer would be the "concentration camp" thesis: that Australia has become an uglier nation because of the wedge policies of John Howard, who defeated Pauline Hanson by adopting her policies, feeding xenophobia along the way and damaging Australia's standing in the world, especially in Asia.

That thesis, of course, appears often in the Sydney Morning Herald. Beats me how Sheehan can tolerate the place.

Posted by Tim Blair at September 8, 2003 04:15 AM

Although he takes a different political position from most of the paper, Sheehan is about the sort of journalist the SMH deserves. That is, he is not as smart as he thinks he is and he is deeply ignorant about the subjects he writes about. (Yes, I should give some examples).

Posted by: Michael Jennings at September 8, 2003 at 05:08 AM


Yes, you should give some examples. The column linked by Tim was a fine piece of work, well written with a simple message that happens to be true. No matter how much the left rants at JoHo, the fact is that his government has been an outstanding success.

Posted by: Toryhere at September 8, 2003 at 10:33 AM

A first class article from Sheehan that would seem to be derived from fact rather than the invective supporting unsubstantiated assertions that emanate from Captain Wacky and his cohorts.

Posted by: Michael Gill at September 8, 2003 at 10:46 AM

Oh what fun - the trollers are out in force today at the Tim Blair clubhouse of hate.

You truly excel yourself Tim.

Where's lunch today.

I hear there is this great new bistro just down from the Pitt St ADF office. You could luncheon there with your foxy friends Paul and Miranda - those poor suffering souls at "Fauxfax."

Maybe Andrew could catch a late morning flight from Melbourne and come cheer you on as you present yourself as willing and able to bolt out the back door. Surely, an aging Gen Xer like you will surely fail the physical leaving the deadly work for someone else's son to do.

Then again with the US begging even those chocolate making French to send troops they'll surely find room for you.

Posted by: Big Hawk at September 8, 2003 at 11:27 AM

Lunch today is at Charcoal Charlie's in Bondi Road! Drop on in, Hawk.

Posted by: tim at September 8, 2003 at 11:49 AM

Big Hawke's ideas interest me, ad I would like to subscribe to his magazine and/or newsletter.

Posted by: Homer at September 8, 2003 at 12:55 PM

Who needs facts when you can have "hyperfacts"!

And if Godwin's Law doesn't apply when discussing the Nazis or the Holocaust, surely Sheehan's Law would not apply when discussing the Stolen Generations or the "concentration camp" thesis?

Posted by: Robert at September 8, 2003 at 01:05 PM

One wonders whether Big Hawk should really be called Big Parrot, as he goes on and on about the same point. As I told this idiot before, the argument that only those who fight can support a war is insupportable. On his use of illogic none of us could urge the fire brigade to put out fires unless we volunteeerd to join the fire brigade.

Posted by: Toryhere at September 8, 2003 at 01:11 PM

Please, could someone feed Big Hawk. Yeah, I know, but let's make an exception. Give him a free lunch.

Posted by: slatts at September 8, 2003 at 01:23 PM

I'll donate the can of Spam.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at September 8, 2003 at 01:50 PM

Hawk, did you support Australia's military involvement in securing independence for East Timor?

If so, with which division of the Australian armed forces did you serve?

Posted by: tim at September 8, 2003 at 02:11 PM

Obviously one in which they didn't eat very much.

Posted by: pooh at September 8, 2003 at 02:37 PM

Ummm. Tim, without wishing to in any way side with your broken record mate Big Hawk, only one Division served in Timor. We only have one on a good day so it isn't much of a stretch to lie.

Maybe which unit, company/squadron/workshop/field hospital or pogo barracks hotel they were attached to and who there OC and CO were, might be more relevant.

On your marks, Big Hawk. You show me yours and I'll show you mine. Difference is of course, that mine will be real.

Posted by: Todd at September 8, 2003 at 03:05 PM

Hawkie want a cracker? Here, boy here a nice cracker...Mummy's little pet... who's a pretty boy then? Nice boy eat your cracker... Diddums happy now?

Posted by: Max at September 8, 2003 at 03:18 PM

Hey Tim. How was lunch?

Posted by: W at September 8, 2003 at 04:25 PM

Gee Tim, Bondi Rd, I went to wellington street school, ah, memories.

Hawk, you remind me more and more of "Rik" from the young ones.

Posted by: nic at September 8, 2003 at 04:39 PM

Hey Toryhere

- when the fire is coming up your street are you going to just call the fire brigade and say it's some else's job to put it out. Or could we have counted on you to hide in the hills and shoot the Japs as they crossed the Brisbane line.

I have no problem helping to put out the fire, and obviously I'd fight anyone who dared to invade this land ever again.

But if you want me to get on a plane or ship and go overseas and fight, well I'm sorry the only war that I would have said yes to in the last 100 years would be the second world war. None of the rest were worth our people getting wasted as some general's cannon fodder on. If war is so important, let the generals die first.

Even Timor, needs to be put in a larger context to be properly understood.

But as to that shit hole Iraq that you've managed to trap 150,000 poor kids from middle America in, well.... I think Tim and the rest of his fan club first led the call to go and defend our hallowed civilization - in Eden itself - so hop to it Timmy boy - and enlist.

Posted by: Big Hawk at September 8, 2003 at 07:45 PM

So that would be no unit, Huh Big Hawk? No Regiment or battalion? And obviously no division that you served in. Hmmm, so that would make you a fucking hypocrite, right??

Sorry if I am wrong but from where I am standing, your blatant hypocrisay is earth shattering. You have no problems whatsoever in calling for Tim and his cadre to join up. Yet you won't yourself.

Obviously a strong supporter of Heinlein. Funny isn't it. Heinlein was blacklisted by the left wing for a few of his novels calling for a comfortably rationalist society. And now bedwetting lefties are calling for the same thing.

Oh well, I am safe, I have my franchise, according to the rules. But being that you don't, that would say to me that you don't have the right to an opinion.

Oh well, guess we don't have to listen to the rantings of a non-citizen anymore. Tim, as one of the few franchised citizens in your blog reading community, I instruct you to hold a vote with reference to declaring Big Hawk a non person.

Isn't it fun when we live by your rules Big hawk. And lets face it, you can hardly say you are being discriminated against, after all, you introduced the rules.

Posted by: Todd at September 8, 2003 at 08:24 PM

Much thanks to Todd for correcting my error on Australian divisions in East Timor, and for serving.

And much thanks to Hawk for the laughs. Where's lunch today, Hawkie? You buying?

Posted by: tim at September 9, 2003 at 04:51 AM

Todd, in your twisted logic, you've just acknowledged that Tim is a coward, you can't make such a description of me without applying the same to Timmy boy.

When someone attacks Australia I'll fight, but I doubt Tim will. He'll be too busy pretending how important he is eating lunch.

Posted by: Big Hawk at September 9, 2003 at 06:38 AM

Nope, sorry Hawkie Boy, never called anyone a coward, just a hypocrite. Surely you realised that, after all, the left is just so more NUANCED than we rightwing death beasts.

Oh well, guess you will have to obfuscate with a different story now. Let me see, so we have tried to shame Tim in to joining, even though he wouldn't be likely to.

Then when that fails and you get backed in to a corner by somebody who actually knows what he is talking about, you start lashing out with the insults. Is this the face of tolerance that we hear from the left? The words of understanding and acceptance. Oh sorry, I keep getting them confused with abject hypocrisy. Never mind, your fluffy little mind about it. Just go off to your workers collective tea house and tell them all how those big nasty meanies were terribly terribly mean and nasty to you.

In the mean time, we'll all just sit here and feel just so gosh-darn terrible about hurting your feelings.

Posted by: Todd at September 9, 2003 at 11:23 AM

Todd, it looks like your the one spitting chips. I'm not fazed at all by your pathetic defense of Timmy boy. You and your fake I'm-the-brave-one-here routine is so transparent. If your website is anything to go by, I can only hope that with your mental balance obviously in serious question, that you have been discharged from the ADF and you no longer have any guns near you.

Come to think of it Tim, what does it feel like to have a closet full of One Nation nutters as your most adoring fans.

Now don't deny it Tim, click of any of those ever so helpful links spread throughout the sigs of your fan club, and it doesn't take long to find yourself seriously off the rails with the wacko brigade in spewing forth.

But then inner city snobs such as Tim and his sneering elitist friends at Quadrant et al like to pretend that they aren't in the gutter with Pauline and the rest of her white trash supporters beyond the inner city. But the reality is that Tim and his luncheon crowd are the real white trash of Australia. Their ignorance is their own fault entirely and cannot be blamed on a lack of educational opportunities.

Meanwhile, Tim is actually going to own up and reveal that he's not really a non-government organization, but is in fact a secret government organization funded by John Howard's slush fund to help out of work zealots like poor misunderstood Tim.

Snap to it Tim, Your country needs you as cowards like me aren't going anywhere near your stupid war. You wanna go pick a fight with the Arabs then you go put your own balls on the line.

Posted by: Big Hawk at September 9, 2003 at 12:40 PM

Why Thankyou for your kind words and support for my little blog Hawkie. Not really at Tim's level of accomplishment, nor have I the time to do it, but it is nice to see I am appreciated and read by those fawning addled minds like yours. Feel free to pop in any time.

Now what could you possibly mean by my mental balance not being all together. Oh yeah, that bit where I proposed that we referred to every fucking idiot lefty we ever meet as a human shield so that we can happily destroy that term within out patoi?

Or maybe when I stated that Saddam Hussein was the fucking Idiot I would most like to Kill. That was it, right? The fact that I can make a moral distinction between good and bad. That has to hurt, considering I not only own weapons, but also know how to use them. That can't be too good for the rulers of moral kulcha like yourself. What would happen if more of us turned up?? We might take over the world and then we would be stuck with another ten years of Howard and George W Bush look-a-likes. Oh the shame and misery.

Welcome to the real world fucktard. Good guys are winning and the bad guys are wingeing. Guess we know where you stand. Guess you better never walk out that front door of yours. You might meet somebody else like me and your whole pathetic little void of a construct existence will come crashing down. Shame I can't be there to see it.

Posted by: Todd at September 9, 2003 at 01:31 PM

Guys, guys, steady on now. It should be apparent to all that this Hawk person is not someone of any particular intelligence.

Mind you, he or she seems to be using the lefty strategy of old, namely criticise everyone, usually with a haughty moral high-ground tone, but never actually let anyone know what system of government/society/defence planning etc etc he or she would institute.

The Hawk-person would have let the Kosovars die, the Timorese remain oppressed, the Kuwaitis remain invaded etc etc.

Sad really.

Posted by: GeoffM at September 9, 2003 at 01:41 PM