August 29, 2003

LISTEN TO THE TERRORISTS/DON'T LISTEN TO THE TERRORISTS

Poor Tim Dunlop has got his ducks all out alignment because terrorists have thanked him and his friends for the swell work they’ve done protesting against the war on terror:

Frankly, I don't don't give a toss what some murderer thinks of my opinions and I'm not particularly inclined to adjust my behaviour according whatever twisted logic such a sicko comes up with. I don't need to "bear in mind" anything terrorists say ...

Oh, really?

Posted by Tim Blair at August 29, 2003 06:41 PM
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Looking at the link, there is clearly no inherent contradiction in the two quoted positions. Needless to say, the two quotes are both entirely valid and reasonable responses.

Sorry RWDBs, clutching at straws again. Bad day at the office, Mr Blair?

Posted by: Nemesis at August 29, 2003 at 06:49 PM

Hmm... first quote, he says we must consider what role our actions played in causing the terrorist attacks. Second post, he says that he has no intention of considering what role his actions played in causing the Bali bombing.

Seems like a pretty clear double standard to me.

Posted by: Tatterdemalian at August 29, 2003 at 07:03 PM

Prosthetist? you're an idiot as well. go away.

Posted by: john littlejohn at August 29, 2003 at 08:10 PM

"I'm not particularly inclined to adjust my behaviour according whatever twisted logic such a sicko comes up with. "

What's wrong Teary Dunlop?

This one a rather unwanted "root cause"?.

Is it?

Posted by: paul at August 29, 2003 at 09:18 PM

"Second post, he says that he has no intention of considering what role his actions played in causing the Bali bombing."

And what actions would they be?

Maybe I'm just unaware that mad bombers normally check in with an obscure blog before deciding who they're gonna kill next.

Posted by: Elitisim For The People at August 29, 2003 at 09:31 PM

I expect that actions which played a role in the Bali bombing would include attending anti-Australian protests that give support and encouragement to terrorists.

As the terrorists have themselves acknowledged.

Posted by: Evil Pundit at August 29, 2003 at 09:39 PM

Dunlop's been channeling The Mad Mahdi- that's where they get all their ideas from; just wait, the next El Que'da action will be to storm Khartoum and lop off General Gordon's noggin.

Posted by: Habib Bickford at August 29, 2003 at 09:41 PM

WTF is an anti-Australian protest?

And didn't all those no war in Irag protests happen AFTER the Bali bombing?

Posted by: Elitism For The People at August 29, 2003 at 10:24 PM

An ant-Australian protest is a demonstration of contempt and hatred for the Australian people and their government.

The defining characteristic of such protests is the belief that the West is always wrong, and that its enemies are not to be fought.

I think there were some of these prior to the war in Afghanistan, as well as Iraq.

Posted by: Evil Pundit at August 29, 2003 at 10:37 PM

I expect that actions which played a role in the Bali bombing would include attending anti-Australian protests that give support and encouragement to terrorists.

and i suppose you're going to fill us in on how this could be a "root cause" of the bali bombing. for one thing, on your construction of the events, i don't see how dunlop happening to have the same point of view as a terrorist would be taken by said terrorist as a reason for killing people of the same nationality as him.

but more obviously, bali was bombed before said "anti-australian" protests.

Posted by: adam at August 29, 2003 at 10:39 PM

Hey if I have to consider "why do they hate us" then the antis have to think about "why do they love us?"

I saw pictures of the various demonstrations, I saw:
Half-naked spaniards dressed as suicide bombers
"We support our troops when they shoot their officers"
Bush = Hitler
violence against "western capitalist" targets
Support for Totalitarian Ratbags

What I didn't see was any denouncing of the Islamists or demands that they stop their violence.

Look I know most of you (ANSWER excepted) aren't pro-whabbi, what why on earth would any of them think that?

Remember when people said if you went to an ANSWER sponsored rally you would be identified as supporting fascism? Chicken, meet roost.

Posted by: monkeyboy at August 29, 2003 at 10:50 PM

and i suppose you're going to fill us in on how this could be a "root cause" of the bali bombing.

No, because I never claimed that protests were a "root cause" of anything.

And anti-Australian protests have been happening since long before the Bali bombing. They go all the way back to the Vietnam war.

Posted by: Evil Pundit at August 30, 2003 at 12:37 AM

Stay tuned, as we say here in the States. This is only the first step of a process which will find our Mr. Dunlop and many leftist pollys saying, "You remember that invade Iraq deal? My idea."

Posted by: timks at August 30, 2003 at 01:32 AM

hey pundit, that's a crafty refinement to your argument. now they're drawing comfort from stuff that happened more than 30 yrs ago!

perhaps you should just be specific: which "anti-australian" protest/s do you refer to? were the terrorists encouraged by the protests against the first gulf war? nuclear disarmament marches? s11? feminist marches? anti-lucas heights activism? the billboard liberation front?

were all of these causes "anti-australian"? some of them? one of them? none of them?

prey tell what i, as an australian, have a duty to approve of and disapprove of. i need guidance, lest i exhibit some dangerous free-thinking and thereby show my "contempt and hatred for the Australian people and their government".

Posted by: adam at August 30, 2003 at 03:01 AM

You're being deliberately obtuse, Adam.

I'll repeat what I said. Maybe you'll read it this time.

An anti-Australian protest is a demonstration of contempt and hatred for the Australian people and their government. The defining characteristic of such protests is the belief that the West is always wrong, and that its enemies are not to be fought.

The enemies of our society draw comfort from any and all such protests. In particular, protests against armed attacks on terrorists and their supporters since 11 September 2001, have given encouragement to the Bali bombers and their ilk.

Posted by: Evil Pundit at August 30, 2003 at 03:59 AM

Is the concept "own goal" really so difficult?

Posted by: Fred Boness at August 30, 2003 at 04:04 AM

To expand on EP's point, these anti-Western protests clearly show the islamofascists that what they're doing does have a modicum of support.

It doesn't matter if the protestors actually supported terrorism outright; their actions only served to tell the terrorists, "Hey, we don't mind! We ain't going to hit back at you because it's BAD! We're just gonna sit here and be fat, dumb, and happy(while protesting, of course!)."

Which, of course, is what the terrorists want. An environment where they are free to strike at the pillars of modern civilization(such as it is) and to impose their own form of civilization(even less of one than what we have currently) upon all of humanity.

Ask yourself, do you really wish to encourage this? Because that's what the protests are doing.

Posted by: The Wobbly Guy at August 30, 2003 at 08:10 AM

You're being deliberately obtuse, Adam.

well spotted. i just think your idea that "An anti-Australian protest is a demonstration of contempt and hatred for the Australian people and their government" is so funny, i can't help myself. i mean, jeebus dude, i wouldn't want to oppose my government, would i?

do you always agree with your government? ever tell anyone when you do disagree? be careful, cause you wouldn't want to be "anti-australian", you wouldn't want to "give support and encouragement to terrorists" etc.

Posted by: adam at August 30, 2003 at 08:42 AM

Adam, you are evidently unfamiliar with the definition of the word "and".

A logical operator that returns a true value only if both operands are true.

Posted by: Evil Pundit at August 30, 2003 at 11:14 AM

The root cause of terrorism is sympathy for terrorists. It's their primary recruiting tool.

Posted by: Tatterdemalian at August 30, 2003 at 11:45 AM